[spiralx]

For some reason I thought she was the 12th.

And I don't think Menadore is dead, certainly the other two sisters though. Could be wrong - need a re-read

Toc the Younger is dead now as well.

Trull's death was caused by the Errant, according to him in the epilogue.

[Imperial Historian]

Woooo, what an ending.

I agree with Morgoth, the pathos of Trull's death definitely made it a great scene, in the grand tradition of whiskeyjack, iktovian, brys, felisin etc, the fact that it was just sort of tossed off as an afterthought, the errant following his aspect and hating himself for it, brilliant.

The seguleh coming out at the end confused me immensely also, she's the 12th I think, she's reffed with 11 marks on her mask somewhere, but I'd assumed she'd been killed by Rhulad, but there was a reference to Rhulad changing his mind about the champions, leaving just the two. I'd assumed that meant he'd killed them, but maybe the seguleh avoided that somehow...

The dragon is specifically stated as ruin, he flies to lether to avenge the insults against him and deal with the CG, the way he was summarily despatched by the BB's was pretty cool, and the death of the three sisters was completely unexpected.

Some nice questions answered, and many more asked, but definitely a great read.

Does anyone have any idea about Redmask being letherii? That whole storyline confused me no end...

And the machine thing icarium built, is it designed to get his memories back, or what?

[deegee]

[QUOTE=polishgenius;181427]So, in case you clicked by accident, don't read on. If you haven't finished, go away >_>. It's for your own good.

okay, I would like to say oops, but hey I would be lyin...but to be honest...it doesn't really matter that I know now because I care more about the events and dialogue that lead up to everything....the actual story itself is what gets me hyped...anyhow...

I was under the impression that perhaps most of the main cast of characters die in this book because of Pat's review and him saying that a whole slew of characters die. He says "There are a lot of casualties in Reaper's Gale, especially toward the end, when several important characters die. I think even George R. R. Martin would be impressed by the number of deaths!" I take this to mean that a lot of the characters we have grown to love, for e.g. Fiddler, Paran, Quick, etc etc... all die. Now I see that only Trull dies? I am truly sorry but I have to say I feel a little disappointed already. He is not one of my favourite characters so I don;t really mind SE getting rid of him. Though I do like him more than some other characters. Not to say that I want my favourite characters to die,...you know, just that it seems like the idea of it really got me hyped and now I sort of feel let down and have this nagging feeling that I will disappointed in the novel (god forbid)...Or should I not be worrying about that too much? Then again, the title is Reapers Gale, I mean come on! lol .... Anyone who has read it have any words of consolation?

[pat5150]

Dude, how many deaths does it take to satisfy you!?!:eek:


MEGA SPOILER:
























I mean:

Spoiler

Trull Sengar (After RG, you'll see that his death might affect you more than you believe...)
Rhulad Sengar
Fear Sengar
Tomad Sengar
Uruth
Karos Invictad
Triban Gnol
Nisall
Letur Anict
Trana Bruthen
Taxilian
Redmask
Kettle
Toc the Younger
Beak
Phaed
Sheltatha Lore
Menandore
Sukul Ankhadu

And others I can't remember at the moment. . . I'd say that's quite a high number of casualties.

But that's just me!

Patrick

[deegee]

[QUOTE=pat5150;181871]Dude, how many deaths does it take to satisfy you!?!:eek:

MEGA SPOILER:

Nah man, all I was saying was that basically I hope the title is not misleading in that way. Sure I love certain characters like Whiskeyjack, but it makes me like them all the more in a sense because they die. I guess because I appreciate their page time more. Your non-spoiler review was awesome by the way...peace

[lfex]

Well, I certainly hoped for more deaths. Trull's death was a shocker, but most others are minor or newly introduced characters. Many of them are bad guys, too. It is interesting that nobody guessed truth about Rhulad's sword, though. It seems so obvious in retrospect.

I was rather disappointed by Silchas who was relatively easily defeated by powered up QB. I think he also count as character acting out of character (as Leoman or L'oric in TBH), since he seemed far more reasonable in MT. Even more dispappointing were three sisters who were supposed to be powerful ascendants after all, and they got themselves killed like that.

I rather liked theory about Kettle being next ruler of Shadow. Poty it isn't going to happen.

I am not sure what to think about Redmask. He certainlły thoughtz of himself as Awl in chapters from his POV.

I hope we will get back to Letheras at some point, since I would love to see Tehol in his new role.

[spiralx]

Are Tomad Sengar and Uruth actually dead though? They're locked in the dungeons, but I can't recall anything indicating that they're dead... although there was plenty of structural damage.

[Morgoth]

they were drowned some time before the malazans arrived I believe

[polishgenius]

I think it was after, actually. Somewhere near the end.

[spiralx]

Reread required

[phart]

Morgoth;181671 said:

she can't have been. Her mask had several markings on it.. Perhaps she was the 8th, searching the oceans for Anomander Rake in order to climb rank?

She has 11 stripes IIRC

[phart]

polishgenius;181676 said:

About Silchas - I'm not sure that he isn't as badass as we thought, it's just how badass Quick has got. He's layed down some pretty sound beatings in the past, after all, but Quick by that point had already turfed out the three sisters (who claimed together to be more than a match for ruin) with seemingly little effort.
And Silchas had already taken two cussers by the time Quick got started.

Iirc, everyone else has got pretty consistent powerwise. The Errant starts showing what he can do. Bastard.


The Seguleh had runes on her mask or something? It's not mentioned whether there's any marks, but I don't think she's the First.

It says she has 11 stripes i'm sure.

QB must have got seriously empowered when he took on Iccy, He thrashes three tiste elient together enough do that they turn on each other( or two do and the third leaves him alone), we saw how ineffectual he was against the CG in MOI, and its mentioned several times that Ruin et al are too much for the CG at the time( now i admit its other people making these predictions)

I need to read the book again to get a better sense of it.

[phart]

Imperial Historian;181725 said:

Woooo, what an ending.

I agree with Morgoth, the pathos of Trull's death definitely made it a great scene, in the grand tradition of whiskeyjack, iktovian, brys, felisin etc, the fact that it was just sort of tossed off as an afterthought, the errant following his aspect and hating himself for it, brilliant.

The seguleh coming out at the end confused me immensely also, she's the 12th I think, she's reffed with 11 marks on her mask somewhere, but I'd assumed she'd been killed by Rhulad, but there was a reference to Rhulad changing his mind about the champions, leaving just the two. I'd assumed that meant he'd killed them, but maybe the seguleh avoided that somehow...

The dragon is specifically stated as ruin, he flies to lether to avenge the insults against him and deal with the CG, the way he was summarily despatched by the BB's was pretty cool, and the death of the three sisters was completely unexpected.

Some nice questions answered, and many more asked, but definitely a great read.

Does anyone have any idea about Redmask being letherii? That whole storyline confused me no end...

And the machine thing icarium built, is it designed to get his memories back, or what?

The machine starts stealing memories from the Consign leader (i cant remember the spelling so i wont butcher it.) and it states that the machine was indeed broken, so one could infer it was designed to give memories back.

As for Redmask i believe his story is in there some where, i read the book in one shot so hard to retain all details, but i like where he got his mask from. Matrons throat skin!!

Personally i didn't think it was cool how easily the tiste elient were disposed of, Ruin only unvelied his warren once, i'm really not sure how much i liked those bits. Sort of means all they need to do to kill ascendants is have hedge fiddler and QB and thats more than enough. Rake becomes much less by association as well.

[Dancer+]

polishgenius;181676 said:

About Silchas - I'm not sure that he isn't as badass as we thought, it's just how badass Quick has got. He's layed down some pretty sound beatings in the past, after all, but Quick by that point had already turfed out the three sisters (who claimed together to be more than a match for ruin) with seemingly little effort.
And Silchas had already taken two cussers by the time Quick got started.

My take on Silchas Ruin, when reading, was that he fit into a certain category of ascendants. His style was full-out agression, and i see this as arrogance. There was a quote about newly born gods, or re-released gods and how they made the mistake in thinking they were still the most powerful beings around. Add the fact that QB outdid SR fairly easily (although we have to take SR's condition into account) bodes not too well for SR. Iccy seems to be a league above SR even considering the two sisters of shadow saying Ruin was the most powerful being in this realm - they seem behind the times too. I'm not saying Ruin isn't powerful, I just think his power compared to others has waned.

[Illuyankas]

I'm still not sure exactly who or what Ruin was coming to destroy, just the Edur, the Letherii, or the Malazans. I mean, if he came, got hit by a bunch of unexpected attack from the Malazans, saw that there were no Edur left, and buggered off from a needless fight, that would have been more likely.

Oh, and Tool's reaction to Toc's death made me cry Although the "Where's my eye?" and Damned wolves talk makes me think he'll be back in some form.

[phart]

The Cult of Dessembrae;182139 said:

My take on Silchas Ruin, when reading, was that he fit into a certain category of ascendants. His style was full-out agression, and i see this as arrogance. There was a quote about newly born gods, or re-released gods and how they made the mistake in thinking they were still the most powerful beings around. Add the fact that QB outdid SR fairly easily (although we have to take SR's condition into account) bodes not too well for SR. Iccy seems to be a league above SR even considering the two sisters of shadow saying Ruin was the most powerful being in this realm - they seem behind the times too. I'm not saying Ruin isn't powerful, I just think his power compared to others has waned.

Ruin got battered twice, easily. The 3 other Tiste Elient got battered easily.Now my favourite character Rake's power are waning in my mind by association, i just thought these beings would be more powerful than it turns out they actually are.It's confusing people saying the CG didn't want to take Ruin on, or indeed the sisters in direct confrontation, but QB handled them much better than i thought, in fact as soon as i read it was hedge and QB waiting i thought someone must appear to help them or Hedge would do something like call up the BB, nah QB just nailed them.

Of course we don't know how much more powerful QB is compared to the guy that got trapped so easily with the CG.Although in his defense Telorast Curdle and just about anyone with any insight always says there is more to QB than meets the eye, i always thought it was the souls, maybe it isn't.

[Illuyankas]

All three of the sisters were surprised totally by Quick the 'worthless fool', and then sundered their temporary alliance to go get the Finnest and to get revenge - Menandore and Lore effectively killed each other, and Sukul got killed by two Bonecasters. As for the rest, I'm beginning to see cussers as the great leveller, haha.

[phart]

Illuyankas;182150 said:

All three of the sisters were surprised totally by Quick the 'worthless fool', and then sundered their temporary alliance to go get the Finnest and to get revenge - Menandore and Lore effectively killed each other, and Sukul got killed by two Bonecasters. As for the rest, I'm beginning to see cussers as the great leveller, haha.

Well he did make them run into a small hill, then hit them over and over with powers of sorcery. and they saw him all the way, maybe surprised he could make a hill appear in their path i certainly was. ;-)

[Morgoth]

I think you're overestimating QB somewhat. Ye's he's grown more powerfull. A result of Iccy or meddling by ST probabaly, but he was far from a match for the sisters. Notice, he didn't block their sorcerous attacks but rather... cheated to make them miss their target. He used brains, rather than power so to say.

The true damage done to the three was done by themselves and the two bonecasters.

As for Silchas Ruin. QB didn't defeat him, the cussers did. Though, one can question whether Silchas Ruin was defeated or just withdrawed because it wasn't worth it. No matter, him being bested was -as with the sisters- mainly a result of arrogance. If he'd just landed on a hill close by and incinerated the whole city from afar, I am sure none would be able to stop him. Apart perhaps from Mal.

The way I see it, QB is stronger than before, but he is still no match in power to the draconean ascendants. QB's major asset is still his mind, not his power.

[phart]

Morgoth;182207 said:

I think you're overestimating QB somewhat. Ye's he's grown more powerfull. A result of Iccy or meddling by ST probabaly, but he was far from a match for the sisters. Notice, he didn't block their sorcerous attacks but rather... cheated to make them miss their target. He used brains, rather than power so to say.

The true damage done to the three was done by themselves and the two bonecasters.

As for Silchas Ruin. QB didn't defeat him, the cussers did. Though, one can question whether Silchas Ruin was defeated or just withdrawed because it wasn't worth it. No matter, him being bested was -as with the sisters- mainly a result of arrogance. If he'd just landed on a hill close by and incinerated the whole city from afar, I am sure none would be able to stop him. Apart perhaps from Mal.

The way I see it, QB is stronger than before, but he is still no match in power to the draconean ascendants. QB's major asset is still his mind, not his power.

I'm going to read it again tonight, and i'll read it more carefully see if im missing out on anything.