[vaiski]

Yepp I agree with Morgot re: QB. Arrogance is what got them dragons defeated.

Not saying that QB isn't more powerful now, just that he isn't that powerful.
As for the change, Fiddler comments on it as well, wondering where all that magic came from. And Quick said that after his encounter with Icarium, he became nastier. And Sukul thought that Quick wasn't a mere mortal ("other things hiding inside that scrawny body")
Perhaps one of his souls is particularly powerful (and nasty), and Quick needed that power when facing Iccy -> said soul gained a bit more leverage and hence the change?
Maybe QB is more prone to direct attacks now if the balance within himself has shifted. Earlier he wasn't, and so perhaps Fid didn't came to know all his capabilities. Not that I think we have seen all of them yet.

[Kallor]

See, i never lied ... and though SE explained why Trull had to die, it was Beak's death which touched me most ... and of course, there was Toc, too ...

[Morgoth]

Kallor;182640 said:

See, i never lied ... and though SE explained why Trull had to die, it was Beak's death which touched me most ... and of course, there was Toc, too ...

I agree with that. Beak was by far the most touching death in the book. My god, I must've grown evil when I wasn't looking seeing that I'm agreeing with you and all

[stone monkey]

As for the disproportionate damage that the Moranth explosives do in the presence of magic - dragons being effectively pure magic would probably be wont to suffer quite spectacularly from their application, as indeed they do - is anyone else of the opinion that this is an entirely deliberate effect that the Moranth have alchemically engineered into their explosives?

Also the cussers that Hedge used on the dragons had been conjured by himself out of thin air (as it were) so therefore might have been his idea of what an explosive should be.

[Imperial Historian]

Yep, I agree about the moranth, and SE said in an interview that the moranth munitions were engineered as a weapon against mages...

And yeah Beak's death was touching but when Tool broke down after toc's death was the most powerful moment in the book for me...

[Lister of Smeg]

I was more upset about Toc's death than Trull's, though both of them were sad. I just wasn't expecting Toc to be in this book at all, and then he goes and dies on me. Though he may not be completely dead, what with his missing eye and everything.

So damn glad that Feather Witch is dead. The only good thing the Errant did in the entire book. I hope Mael catches up with him and wastes him good and proper.

[polishgenius]

That's a good point, Karsa's the Seguleh Twelfth now surely?

Hopefully SE doesn't forget that point - he's been known to mislay plot points in the past, after all. Like Paran's otataral sword going AWOL in MoI.

Lister said:

I hope Mael catches up with him and wastes him good and proper.

He already caught up to him, he 'explained' a few things.

[Trotts]

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I think you're overestimating QB somewhat. Ye's he's grown more powerfull. A result of Iccy or meddling by ST probabaly, but he was far from a match for the sisters. Notice, he didn't block their sorcerous attacks but rather... cheated to make them miss their target. He used brains, rather than power so to say.

Why can't brains be power?

Trulls death was so....so....arggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

The whole time I was waiting for Trull and Seren to get back together. That was the relationship I was rooting for. And they did, and even though Fear died, I kinda saw it comin...but...but Trull!! Arggggggggggg

Beaks death was definitely the most touching. He was a breath of childish innocence in an army full of veterans and dark twisted soldiers. I think it was very fitting for Hood to great him in person.

But the way Toc's death was handled certainly suggest some further role, what with his eye and all.

[polishgenius]

Trotts;182846 said:

But the way Toc's death was handled certainly suggest some further role, what with his eye and all.

Indeed. SE had said that there was going to be just one more resurrection, but we already know he fibbed, what with Hedge and Brys, albeit Hedge was already floating around in HoC. He wasn't alive then.

[Imperial Historian]

Karsa's not the seguleh twelfth as far as we understand the seguleh, after all tool summarily dispatched two seguleh and didn't gain a mask, gaining a position in the seguleh ranks requires killing the previous holder of the mask, hence why rake is the seventh but tool aint a seguleh at all.

[polishgenius]

But if killing was the only way to move up, you could only have one ranked Seguleh at a time, seeing as you have to kill everyone to get to the top.

I got the impression that Tool didn't get the masks because the two he beat weren't actually ranked.

[Dancer+]

I had that understanding too

Weren't the other two (Thurule and Senu) some type of level initiatives.

We don't know enough about the Seguleh to know for certain, there might need to be certain conditions laid down or a death to occur before a rank can change hands.

[Gem Windcaster]

I am surprised some of you seem to think Trull's death is 'random'. It was surprising for sure - but it wasn't only about some idiot hating edur. It was the Errant showing his ass again. IMO the Errant is more disgusting than kallor. yes, I said it! Kallor you have competition.

And yes it was tragic and all that, and I cried when hedge and Quick saw him lyind dead...It was heartbreaking. But I still like the end - with Bugg (I assume it was him) taking care of Seren and her being pregnant and all. It was poetic. To me, the capture of Mael made me far more angry - I sighed of relief when ha crawled back. Maybe I grew all numb, or something, I dunno...So many things happening, I can't even begin to summarize this book.

I have more to say, but I can't think right now. I just loved the book. It was perfect. So many surprises, me crying and laughing and raging (I know, I'm a lunatic) all through the book. The best book so far in he series.

And why am I not surprised Quick Ben showed some real power this time around? I knew it!

I am starting a Lets-Hate-The-Errant-club. I so hope Paran kicks his ass in the near future!

[Coco with marshmallows]

I want membership of that club, Gem

agree that Bugg checking on Seren was nice, though

Coco, Self appointed second chair of Lets Hate The Errant Club.

[Gem Windcaster]

You have it. Lets recruit! :heyhey:

[Folken]

Don't worry my namesake will not disappoint...i hope..

But on the point of random senseless deaths. Hey that's war...it's how things work out. I think we'd be more pissed of if everyone lived happily ever after

[Trotts]

Damnit, Trull was supposed to live happily. Him and Seren. Its all I wanted.


Ill join your club Gem, I liked the Errant after MT. I despise him now. Argggg, It was supposed to work out for Trull damnit!

[Gem Windcaster]

Lister of Smeg;182771 said:

So damn glad that Feather Witch is dead. The only good thing the Errant did in the entire book. I hope Mael catches up with him and wastes him good and proper.

Bugg did mention a small...discussion with the Errant when he was talking to Seren at the end.
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