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Heyhey, the ending. SPOILERS O'course.

#61 Lister of Smeg

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 08:38 AM

A small "discussion" off-screen isn't enough. I want Mael to punch him up good and proper, then let Hedge ram a burner down his throat. That would be nice.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 11:09 AM

Well, I wouldn't put it past SE to leave it there.. just not talk about the Errant anymore, leaving the image that Mael did something worse than just "talk"

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 01:19 PM

Gem Windcaster;182902 said:

I am surprised some of you seem to think Trull's death is 'random'. It was surprising for sure - but it wasn't only about some idiot hating edur. It was the Errant showing his ass again. IMO the Errant is more disgusting than kallor. yes, I said it! Kallor you have competition.

I agree with that last part...

When I say random, though, I mean in that it wasn't expected. Most of the other big deaths in the series have an air of 'it was coming' about them - Coltaine, Whiskeyjack, Itkovian, Brys. Like a classical tragedy form. With Trull, the death just came out of knowhere - iirc the first hint we got was a few pages before when the Errant was watching their door.

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#64 Lister of Smeg

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 01:21 PM

I bet ST and Cotillion are mighty pissed with the Errant now, too. I wonder if they'll seek revenge for the death of their Knight.

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#65 Gem Windcaster

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 03:27 PM

Heh, maybe they'll have a chat with Mael about it...

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 11:11 AM

What most surprises me about that ending aside from seeing Trull die ofc is how the Errant claims that it was a random act inspired by his aspect. While somewhere back in the book he stated his acts where according to a plan and never random at all. I just dont get how those 2 things seem to match.

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 12:53 PM

The Errant's aspect is chance, but that doesn't mean he has to act randomly himself.

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 03:50 PM

The errants aspect was drawn to moments of tragic poignancy, he is driven to act to create tragic failures, even though he doesn't always particularly want to, the fact that his worshippers believe he does means his power reflects in this way.

I thought that was especially interesting, how a god's power is affected by his worshippers belief, ie mael struggling to heal because his followers believed him a bloodthirsty god, and the errant felling trull in allegiance to his aspect even though he mourned the loss...

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 03:53 PM

There is also an inherent duality to the Errant. So stating that his influences are premeditated and then stating that Trull's death was a random act of his aspect really isn't all that out of character.

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 05:42 PM

Imperial Historian said:

BS! If you don't mind me saying so. It's just that kind of reasoning that excuses major blood baths. The poor Gods can inform their followers what their real agenda is. I admit that it's a correct assessment of the situation, but it's not that simple. It's just a question of choosing the hard or easy path. Sure, they can rage at the injustice of having to struggle with the followers view, but it doesn't take away the responsibility.

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I thought that was especially interesting, how a god's power is affected by his worshippers belief, ie mael struggling to heal because his followers believed him a bloodthirsty god, and the errant felling trull in allegiance to his aspect even though he mourned the loss...

It's interesting, but they still get to choose what actions to take.

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 05:50 PM

mind you.. The power worshipers have over their gods was neatly illustrated with d'rek. She didn't want to join the CG so she slaughtered all her priests. Now, if she could just ignore them, what then would be the point of such drastic measures?

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#72 Gem Windcaster

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 09:53 PM

Morgoth;184085 said:

I don't mean she should ignore them. But she probably could. Just look at Mael. Sure some things are more difficult for him than if his followers had some sense, but he can still do them.
Even if she couldn't ignore them, she still has the choice of what to do. IMHO.

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 11:53 PM

The Cult of Dessembrae;181444 said:

I was shocked when Fear went to stab Silchas Ruin in the back, although I kind of pre-emptively guessed a meeting between Ruin, Seren, Fear etc. and Trull in particular.

I don't think it was a planned betrayal, it seemed that he saw Trull and acted to save his brother. It's a shame, it seemed like Ruin was willing to talk with Trull, but Fear forced Clip to kill him and it all went downhill from there.

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 11:54 PM

spiralx;181703 said:

For some reason I thought she was the 12th.

I didn't catch that. Thought maybe she was unranked.

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And I don't think Menadore is dead, certainly the other two sisters though. Could be wrong - need a re-read

She was decapitated...

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Toc the Younger is dead now as well.

Didn't see him go through Hood's Gate - I saw that scene as Hood claiming Toc into his own service.

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 11:59 PM

I would like to join the LHTEC, please.

#76 Gem Windcaster

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 01:06 AM

Dolorous Menhir;184197 said:

I would like to join the LHTEC, please.

You're in. :heyhey:

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#77 Kallor

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 03:57 AM

regarding trull: his death was inevitable since his and seren's story was far too perfect for a book of the dead.

I too caught my breath at Mael's imprisonment and yeah, the errant better get his.

Just remember this is a tragedy, folks, and it's only going to get worse, dead-hero-wise.

and Gem, the errant has nothing on kallor.

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 04:00 AM

In other words: Main character, likable, alive. Pick two.

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 04:00 AM

long as my namesake lives...i have no complaints:p

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 02:14 PM

I have just finished this book and it was incredible I loved it. the bit that hit me the hardest though was Toc's death with salvation for him just a few metres away and then Tool's reaction to it that just hit me so hard. Trull's death was tragic but I didn't feel so close to him even though it does feel shit. Beak was a great character and I can't think of a better way for him to have gone it was right and fitting for him to end this way. All in all this book was awesome.