soletaken vs soultaken

#61 Dolorous Menhir

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Posted 26 April 2007 - 12:42 PM

Soulshifting doesn't appear to have a close link to being Soletaken.

I think it's a safe bet that Silverfox's soletaken form is...a fox. If you remember the creation ceremony attended by Pran Chole and the others, there was a tattoo of a fox on the Mhybe's stomach that disappeared when Silverfox was "complete".

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Posted 26 April 2007 - 01:56 PM

Not to mention that Kruppe says it's a fox (has that been said before?).

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Posted 26 April 2007 - 03:08 PM

And iirc, the Bonecaster who attended (Pran chole?) was also a fox.

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Posted 26 April 2007 - 06:26 PM

Perhaps whether or not you become D'ivers from a soletaken is a choice. They are after all refered to as Soletaken D'ivers a few times. It may not even be a choice. Just something that happens depending on the person. They may all start off as Soletaken and then some split their power, and some keep it in one form (I do not think that soletaken are weaker than D'ivers, after all, in the Azath maze, Messremb is said to be the same size as a large coach, and that my friens is one fucking big bear). Maybe it just happens in the same way, that for sourcerers, a warren "finds them", and noone knows why.

This obviously all just conjecter on my part, but it's something to think about anyway

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Posted 26 April 2007 - 08:31 PM

Abyss;178852 said:

We don't know that, actually. There's a comment in HoC, Onrack to Trull i think, to the effect that Dessimbelackis was already d'ivers BEFORE the Ritual nuked the FE.

Point being, i thought the Ritual was intended to turn the entire First Empire into shapeshifters, presumably but not certainly soletaken, but it blew and the FE apparently ended up with multitudes of insane shapeshifters of both types.

The other option tho', working loosely from Trake's comment re Ryallandas learning to control the change, is that only especially accomplished soletaken become d'ivers. So perhaps everyone does start with one form and a few work their way up from there.

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I was under the impression that the Ritual's purpose was to transform the entire First empire's population (or maybe just the noble caste) into Soletaken. Then something bad happened causing many of them, Dessembelakis included, to become D'ivers instead (i believe i came to this conclusion in BH during the T'rolblahahaha's memories of the events). A process that has to be increadibly traumatic to a mind that isn't accustomed to being split between multiple bodies. I believe there was a quote in one of the books referring to him as the "Emperor who became many", or was it "became Seven", somewhere.