[polishgenius]

Abyss, on 07 May 2018 - 07:01 PM, said:

polishgenius, on 07 May 2018 - 06:46 PM, said:

I enjoy a lot of what happens in Final Crisis, ...

Kalibak, Darkseid's son, who has gone tete-a-tete against Superman and made him bleed out of his head, was killed by Talky Tawny the Talking Tiger, a funny animal sidekick from old old Shazam comics.

And then Superman sings Darkseid to death.

Meh. MEH I SAY.

Yeah, but come on.




And I really liked the idea of broken space at the end, even though that was one of the parts that needed about four times as long.

[Abyss]

I grant you (pun intended) it had its moments, but ultimately failed to stick the landing.

And given that Morrison himself wrote the greatest 'THIS is how you kill Darkseid' ever, the fail is even failurier.

[polishgenius]

Abyss, on 07 May 2018 - 08:15 PM, said:

I grant you (pun intended) it had its moments, but ultimately failed to stick the landing.

Given that the line you originally reacted to came at the beginning of an extended run-on sentence/paragraph slating all the ways Final Crisis got it wrong, I'm not sure we're in disagreement here.



Speaking of Cosmic DC Grant Morrison though, has anyone read Multiversity?

[T77]

Have not read Multiversity, but I purchased it during a Comixology sale, will get to it soon.

Morrison is clearly one of the best. And I agree, sometimes he goes off into the weeds. I think he's an example of there's a fine line between genius and insanity. And he did go through a drug phase.

[T77]

Tearing through East of West, I'm in the middle of volume 4. This is so good! I'm also reading a couple of other Sci-Fi comics, Lazarus and Black Science, both good, but not in the same league as East of West.

[QuickTidal]

Giant HELLBOY sale at comiXology. I basically completed my entire HELLBOY run (trades vol. 8-12), including the las two standalone trade stragglers (MIDNIGHT CIRCUS, and THE SILENT SEA) that I hadn’t yet nabbed and both the last two years Christmas one shots, plus the 1953, 1954, and 1955 years of HELLBOY & THE BPRD.

Now I have to start on the periphery stuff (LOBSTER JOHNSON, THE WITCHFINDER, THE VISITOR), and finish out my BPRD collection.


Any Mignolaverse fans, get on this!

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 20 May 2018 - 09:27 PM, said:

Giant HELLBOY sale at comiXology. I basically completed my entire HELLBOY run (trades vol. 8-12), including the las two standalone trade stragglers (MIDNIGHT CIRCUS, and THE SILENT SEA) that I hadn't yet nabbed and both the last two years Christmas one shots, plus the 1953, 1954, and 1955 years of HELLBOY & THE BPRD.

Now I have to start on the periphery stuff (LOBSTER JOHNSON, THE WITCHFINDER, THE VISITOR), and finish out my BPRD collection.


Any Mignolaverse fans, get on this!

You know that I hate you, right?

[QuickTidal]

Abyss, on 21 May 2018 - 04:46 AM, said:

QuickTidal, on 20 May 2018 - 09:27 PM, said:

Giant HELLBOY sale at comiXology. I basically completed my entire HELLBOY run (trades vol. 8-12), including the las two standalone trade stragglers (MIDNIGHT CIRCUS, and THE SILENT SEA) that I hadn't yet nabbed and both the last two years Christmas one shots, plus the 1953, 1954, and 1955 years of HELLBOY & THE BPRD.

Now I have to start on the periphery stuff (LOBSTER JOHNSON, THE WITCHFINDER, THE VISITOR), and finish out my BPRD collection.


Any Mignolaverse fans, get on this!

You know that I hate you, right?

Usually.

[T77]

I know you guys don't have it, but for everyone else check Hoopla. My library has just about all of the Mignolaverse.

[Abyss]

T77, on 21 May 2018 - 03:26 PM, said:

I know you guys don't have it, but for everyone else check Hoopla. My library has just about all of the Mignolaverse.

Fine. I’ll hate you too.


...relatedly Darkhorse has an extensive HELLBOY sale on. Just H tho, no BPRD or other stuff. I’m holding out for the Mignolaverse bundle I missed a few years ago that had frikkin everything.

[T77]

I feel your pain Abyss. I still spend a lot on comics each year even with MU and Hoopla. My library tax is almost $400 a year though, so it's just hardly free.

[Aptorian]

Seeing as I handle a whole bunch of comics every day at work, I've decided to get back into Marvel. Haven't read anything consistently since the 90s but Copenhagens libraries have pretty enormous collections. So what with the Avengers being the big thing now I picked up what is dubed Jonathan Hickmans Avengers which it seems started publication in 2015.

It's garbage. I hate almost everything about it except the novelty of watching the literary car crash. Everything from the plot, to the art, to the dialogue, etc. Did I get old some time within the past 5 years? Did I lose that suspense of disbelief somewhere? Was the stories always this bad?

It's told from the perspective of Captain Universe I think. A new one I believe, I think the old one was male. Anyway it's told as the beginning of the end, an age where things are getting worse for earth when the dangers are becoming insurmountable. Supposedly this is their zenith before the Avengers fall. Before that end of heroes event that Marvel has been hinting at for decades.

And that end is pretty obvious because Hickman is constantly exposing the flaw in writing ever more crazy obstacles and threats for a super hero team consisting of a soldier with no guns, a guy who shoots arrows, a cold war spy, a person who does karate really well, etc. How the hell does it make any sense that they are fighting Gods that can push evolution a million years forward or machines that destroy planets single handedly?

The story is spectacularly insane enough that I keep reading but the writing is all over the place. I want to see what happens next but I recognize nothing of the restraint or cleverness of for example Chris Claremonts writing in the 70s and 80s. This is the kind of writing that I used to critize DC comics of suffering from.

Maybe the kid in me just faded away.

This post has been edited by Alternative Goose: 07 June 2018 - 08:24 AM

[Abyss]

Alternative Goose, on 07 June 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

Seeing as I handle a whole bunch of comics every day at work, I've decided to get back into Marvel. Haven't read anything consistently since the 90s but Copenhagens libraries have pretty enormous collections. So what with the Avengers being the big thing now I picked up what is dubed Jonathan Hickmans Avengers which it seems started publication in 2015.

It's garbage. I hate almost everything about it except the novelty of watching the literary car crash. Everything from the plot, to the art, to the dialogue, etc. Did I get old some time within the past 5 years? Did I lose that suspense of disbelief somewhere? Was the stories always this bad?

It's told from the perspective of Captain Universe I think. A new one I believe, I think the old one was male. Anyway it's told as the beginning of the end, an age where things are getting worse for earth when the dangers are becoming insurmountable. Supposedly this is their zenith before the Avengers fall. Before that end of heroes event that Marvel has been hinting at for decades.

And that end is pretty obvious because Hickman is constantly exposing the flaw in writing ever more crazy obstacles and threats for a super hero team consisting of a soldier with no guns, a guy who shoots arrows, a cold war spy, a person who does karate really well, etc. How the hell does it make any sense that they are fighting Gods that can push evolution a million years forward or machines that destroy planets single handedly?

The story is spectacularly insane enough that I keep reading but the writing is all over the place. I want to see what happens next but I recognize nothing of the restraint or cleverness of for example Chris Claremonts writing in the 70s and 80s. This is the kind of writing that I used to critize DC comics of suffering from.

Maybe the kid in me just faded away.

You’re hating on Hickman.

Wow. You ARE cold and dead inside.



...jk.... I acknowledge the flaws you comment on do exist, it’s just that Hickman creates such a glorious spectacle that they’re easy to ignore.

[amphibian]

Hickman on Fantastic Four was amazing. The rest wasn't as good.

Try looking at Remender on X-Force.

[polishgenius]

So I got and read the second volume of the Wild Storm reboot. I really love what Ellis is doing with the universe as a whole, toning down the superhero elements and making a grandiose SF spy thriller out of it, and the IO-vs-Stormwatch setup is brilliant.
Most of the character re-imaginings work too, though I'm not sure about what they've done with Jenny Sparks

Spoiler

ie that she's apparently made by the daemonites/kherans (and the distinction there is not yet clear but Zannah- obviously Kheran in the original version- is listed in with the daemonites so the setup seems different). On the other hand merging Swift and the Doctor works quite well.

[Cause]

Alternative Goose, on 07 June 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

Seeing as I handle a whole bunch of comics every day at work, I've decided to get back into Marvel. Haven't read anything consistently since the 90s but Copenhagens libraries have pretty enormous collections. So what with the Avengers being the big thing now I picked up what is dubed Jonathan Hickmans Avengers which it seems started publication in 2015.

It's garbage. I hate almost everything about it except the novelty of watching the literary car crash. Everything from the plot, to the art, to the dialogue, etc. Did I get old some time within the past 5 years? Did I lose that suspense of disbelief somewhere? Was the stories always this bad?

It's told from the perspective of Captain Universe I think. A new one I believe, I think the old one was male. Anyway it's told as the beginning of the end, an age where things are getting worse for earth when the dangers are becoming insurmountable. Supposedly this is their zenith before the Avengers fall. Before that end of heroes event that Marvel has been hinting at for decades.

And that end is pretty obvious because Hickman is constantly exposing the flaw in writing ever more crazy obstacles and threats for a super hero team consisting of a soldier with no guns, a guy who shoots arrows, a cold war spy, a person who does karate really well, etc. How the hell does it make any sense that they are fighting Gods that can push evolution a million years forward or machines that destroy planets single handedly?

The story is spectacularly insane enough that I keep reading but the writing is all over the place. I want to see what happens next but I recognize nothing of the restraint or cleverness of for example Chris Claremonts writing in the 70s and 80s. This is the kind of writing that I used to critize DC comics of suffering from.

Maybe the kid in me just faded away.

I hate your country and its stupidly amazing libraries! Seriously why do people in your country even buy stuff? Your destroying the economy. Free books, free comics, free video games? Madness

[Aptorian]

Our libraries are pretty cool. Our access to online litterature among them comics is also growing, though we still don't have access to DC and Marvel.

As I've read more of Hickmans Avengers it has become somewhat better or perhaps I am just more lenient because clearly these omnibuses are lacking certain issues that tie into the event. It might explain some of the plot holes and story problems.

I think volume 3 might be the lead up to that alternative earths colliding storyline, though I thought that was published ages ago.

It's just frustrating to read a story about the Avengers "needing to become bigger", and cap and Starks solution is to recruit b-list heroes instead of upgrading the established heroes and creating better defence systems.

I don't even know what Spiderman is doing in the Avengers. He's written as a complete asshole. Is he meant to be Doc Ock or something?

I've gone back and ordered "New Avengers". Which I think was published in the early 2000s. I plan to read up on Civil War, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign, etc.

Once I am done I want to read up on X-Men. The amount of volumes just seems overwhelming.

This post has been edited by Alternative Goose: 08 June 2018 - 12:56 PM

[Cause]

Alternative Goose, on 08 June 2018 - 12:51 PM, said:

Our libraries are pretty cool. Our access to online litterature among them comics is also growing, though we still don't have access to DC and Marvel.

Can I sign up? Make me an honory Denmarkian!

[Aptorian]

You need to either have a danish social security number or a temporary foreign social security number thingy but otherwise, sure! But you need to have a danish IP I bet.

[polishgenius]

Alternative Goose, on 08 June 2018 - 12:51 PM, said:

I don't even know what Spiderman is doing in the Avengers. He's written as a complete asshole. Is he meant to be Doc Ock or something?

I'm not entirely sure of the timeframe regarding what you're reading compared to when Superior Spider-Man was around, but yes, probably.



Anyway, I've read what I'm fairly sure is the event that a lot of what you'r reading now is building into - Infinity- and I have to say I agree with the criticism of the Always Getting Bigger aspect of what he seemed to be doing. Admittedly I also just missed a lot from not having read the previous run - always a danger with crossover events but I think a bigger issue here than most I've read- but the main event was basically just a worse, but BIGGER, remake of Anihhilation, on such a scale as to feel meaningless. Or rather, he had so much going on that he couldn't get the character attachment to make it feal meaningful.



And I say that as someone mightily looking forward to getting to read Scott Snyder's DC Metal Night's event/series/thing, the first of which's first TP just came out and features, on the cover, Batman as a knight riding a dragon with the Joker's face. So not exactly small scale. Couldn't get it just yet, though.

This post has been edited by polishgenius: 08 June 2018 - 01:54 PM