[Illuyankas]

Icarium doesn't know about the Edur's Emperor, and his take on immortality, so he'd be confused about the Letherii's hope that he'd kick Rhulad's ass.

[Red_orbiT]

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No one else strikken by his striking similarity to the Hulk?

[Tes'thesula]

I had that exact thought quite a while ago and posted it here...he's even (slightly) green......

[Imperial Historian]

Quote

"The sorcerous windstorm must have raced into the chamber, with a power the bonecaster could not withstand - the T'lan Imass had been thrown back, colliding with the right side of the throne, where [...] Monok Ochem had melted."

It seems pretty clear Icarium is responsible for Ochem's death.

If you read that passage again (870-872), it becomes clear that it is anything but, Monoch upon encountering Icarium fled, knowing that his power in opposition to Icarium would mean his rage would be even greater and much more powerful.

Instead he goes to the throne room, why? My theory is knowing that they could not stop Icarium he sought to destroy the first throne and prevent the Tiste Edur claiming it, trying to do this he was melted and Ibra pronounced that he had failed. Trull assumes that Icariums power had entered the chamber and destroyed Monoch Ochem, but if that was so, the other's in the chamber must also have been hurt, but I think that Moncoh instead tried to destroy the throne... and failed.

[Dark Mac]

He was thrown into the throne. Monoch does run away, but Icarium kills him anyway.

[GingerBreadMan]

I cannot understand why people think Icarium remembers everything.

We see his reaction following Mappo telling him the truth, Icarium is a good guy and being told he has killed hundreds of thousands of innocents would devestate him. If he remembered killing them, killing children(he has), killing wives, killing everything, I have no doubt he would be devastated to the point of suicide.

But he didn't seem remorseful at all, merely sad(he always seems a bit sad).

You could make a point he is no longer "infected", we have no idea and that could be a result of the Eres' touch.

[tiam]

yes his rage is poison giving credence to gothos point in DG when he calims that iccys fight with an azath was what started all this. But IMO the eres (who is the oldest go/living thing weve seen and likely the most powerful) touched iccy and either took down that barrier to show iccy what he had done or completely took out the poison or whatever that keeps him from remembering. although i admit the quote suggests it and i beleive he has his memories back it is merely just speculation

[MecnunK]

Is Icarium Gothos son and was it Gothos who was in the deadhouse in DHG? I vaguely remembering Crokus or Fiddler asking the Jaghut.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Yes, Gothos is Icarium's father - Icarium is believed to have suffered his memory problems as a result of assaulting an Azath in an effort to free Gothos. Who did not want to be rescued, but there you go.

Icarium's mother still unknown though.

[Morgoth]

I think, as I believe I've stated before, that Icarium has been healed. His memories are not restored. How could they be? It's unlikely they exist anywahere. However, if his mind has been restored, he remembers what happend and knows he is no longer cursed with forgetfullness, which could very well be the reason for his calm joy.. Ofc, this is all pure speculation

[tiam]

eyh probably like a normal memory hes can remember the recent things and the big things hes done. hes bound to remember the whole slaying of a city tho. youd think he break down. Also would he remember all his guardians? maybe mappo as hes only bin with him 1000 years maybe theres another guardian who iccy really card about. maybe i dunno but i like mappo but there been more guardians

[Asandir]

Watch 50 First Dates. This gives a detailed description to what Icarium suffers from.

[tiam]

that film..... *shudders mumbles about how girlfriend made him watch it only to say she didnt even like. if she didnt like it why she make me wathc it i mean...*

neway the whole icarium thing is a bit like the whole wos iccys mum thing. unless its stated we dont know. i do like speculation until a certain point when the same viewpoints are repeated

[GingerBreadMan]

So Icarium may be healed, but he does not have his memory back. If he does remember some things wouldn't he be more emotional? He did absolutely destroy a large amount of people for no apparent reason.

But why would he say "There is no need", if he did not have his memory back, he would still want to regain his memories wouldn't he?

[Tiger_sword]

Prehaps he has lost his psyco rage forever? In which case he may be in a bit of trouble when he squares off with Rhulad

[Illuyankas]

The Ere'sal could have helped him realise that, as awful as massacring hundreds of thousands of people is, none of it was his direct, conscious decision, it was the infection overpowering his will not to fight. It's not his fault, he was sick.

And I can't stress this enough - Icarium is confused why the Letherii now view him with hope instead of contempt. We know that's because they believe he can kill Rhulad, but how can Icarium know that? That's what he's confused about, why they look up to him after he killed all those people whilst in rage mode.

[GingerBreadMan]

"The Ere'sal could have helped him realise that, as awful as massacring hundreds of thousands of people is, none of it was his direct, conscious decision, it was the infection overpowering his will not to fight. It's not his fault, he was sick."

I don't buy that, regardless of his intent he did massacre hundreds of thousands. I doubt you could reason with him and explain that it wasn't his fault. Because it was/is his fault, he messed with an Azath and as a direct result has killed half a million people.(somewhere around there). It was no this intent, but regardless he is the largest mass murderer in the Malaz world.


Surely he would be effected emotionally. If I was told that I had accidently killed someone in my sleep I would emotional, much less hundreds of thousands.