[Dark Mac]

I doubt many people outside of Ascendants know about Icarium's rage, since he kills everyone around when it happens.

And the Ascendants who did know would be too afraid to even try attacking him. For one, they wouldn't know about his weakness in normal form, and secondly, if they fail it means a lot of destruction: even if they run away, Icarium could still chase them through the warrens.

Let's say Icarium actually is invincible even in his normal form: why not just knock him out like Mappo/Karsa/DN, and throw him into the Azath before he wakes up? That'd certainly be easy enough.

[tiam]

thats what they wanted mappo to do but he never. as for only ascendetns knowing i beleive this is untrue. Whenever we see him theres alwas that sort of recognition thats known. in DG there recognised as icarium and mappo. he been all over the world. God even the isolationist liosan have heard of him.

[Dark Mac]

tiam said:

thats what they wanted mappo to do but he never. as for only ascendetns knowing i beleive this is untrue. Whenever we see him theres alwas that sort of recognition thats known. in DG there recognised as icarium and mappo. he been all over the world. God even the isolationist liosan have heard of him.

Yes, everyone knows him. But you'll also notice that most of these people are not afraid of him, which means what I said earlier is true: "I doubt many people outside of Ascendants know about Icarium's rage".

I don't think Icarium goes all out very often. He hasn't ever done it when with Mappo, and Mappo's been with him for over 1000 years.

[Shield Anvil]

Dark Mac said:

I doubt many people outside of Ascendants know about Icarium's rage, since he kills everyone around when it happens.

The city he destroyed refused to let him in because of his bad reputation, but that was some time ago so maybe his history has been forgotten.

[tiam]

yeh and all we ever hear is about the dark legends and 1000s cases of genocide against him. i do beleive his rage is more recognised than you imagine

[GingerBreadMan]

Even if it wasn't, all of the ascendants and gods would know. We already know some of these ascendants/gods don't "like" him, so is it so hard to believe one of them would send a worshipper or two to ambush him? As far as we know, Icarium doesn't actually traverse warrens so if the attacker was a mage he/she could probably just run via warren if things went bad. As far as collateral damage if things went bad, sure that would be a problem but given the way Icarium usually wanders I dont see how it would be a major problem. Just wait till he wanders through a empy desert or city to ambush him, there isn't much he can kill in the desert beyond a few rabbits and coyotes.

[Tiger_sword]

I guess they are all too afraid of him i mean if he discovered the ambush then went after the ascendant..... well lets just say i wouldn't want to be hunted by icarium!

[Dark Mac]

GingerBreadMan said:

Even if it wasn't, all of the ascendants and gods would know. We already know some of these ascendants/gods don't "like" him, so is it so hard to believe one of them would send a worshipper or two to ambush him? As far as we know, Icarium doesn't actually traverse warrens so if the attacker was a mage he/she could probably just run via warren if things went bad. As far as collateral damage if things went bad, sure that would be a problem but given the way Icarium usually wanders I dont see how it would be a major problem. Just wait till he wanders through a empy desert or city to ambush him, there isn't much he can kill in the desert beyond a few rabbits and coyotes.

We see him use OP quite a bit at the end of TBH, so assumably he could chase a mage with it as well.

As for people knowing about his rage: just look at Darujhistan. Nobody there knows, and IIRC, even Baruk doesn't.

[Shield Anvil]

But if he had his memory back shouldn't he be a little more upset? I mean he doesn't take it well when Veed tells him a part of his history and that's just something he hears from another person, imagine if he remembers it all by himself.

[GingerBreadMan]

It would give him a better perspective, but when you look at everything we know about Icarium if he knew for sure what he had done in the past don't you think he would fall apart? Look at what he did in the Azath house, and that's just being told what he did, if he remembered all of the deaths he caused surely he would be a mess.

What I mean by Icarium not using warrens, is that as far as I can remember he has never used them to travel. His rage seems blind, I doubt he would open up warrens and run through them chasing a mage ala QB.

[fan_83]

very doubtful... i believe that iccy may not need to enter a warren to chase a mage .. he could perhaps send a wave of power that catches up to a mage and kills from the warren , the way he did with monoch..
i mean he was up against an imass bonecaster whom we know is one of the most powerful mages and he merely send a wave of power and that ko the mage..

i would expect most mage assasin who went after iccy got hit with his retaliatory wave and got wiped out

[Dark Mac]

GingerBreadMan said:

What I mean by Icarium not using warrens, is that as far as I can remember he has never used them to travel. His rage seems blind, I doubt he would open up warrens and run through them chasing a mage ala QB.

Eh, if the Deragoth can chase L'oric through the Warrens, why not Iccy? IIRC, the Deragoth don't even use Warrens, which makes it even likelier that Icarium can do it too.

[Illuyankas]

The HoS do, why not the Deragoth?

[Dolorous Menhir]

I still don't understand why people think Icarium killed Monok Ochem, it seemed to me that the Bonecaster was destroyed by some failed attempt to use the First Throne.

He may have been spurred to that desperate act by imminent Icarium-related destruction, but Icarium didn't actually destroy him.

[GingerBreadMan]

Yea that was my though at well, although surely he would know not to use it? Unless ST had a little trap there that no one knew about it.

Iccy might be able to traerse warrens, but he doesn't from what we can see. I have no reason to believe his habits would change due to his rage, in fact I doubt he would travel via warren while raging since that would result in him running around via warren killing everything.

Monok did not get a surprise attack, he went up against Iccy in physco mode and got slapped down. All that proves is you cannot fight Iccy when he is physco, we already knew that.

I am trying to say he is equally as tough to kill while not raging, someone like Hedge would have thrown a cusser is way in the last 500k years.

[fan_83]

well from what i gathered.. monok took one look at iccy and ran without doing anything overt but mad iccy recognised the threat and released a wave of power..

and from trull descrippie monok was pushed that far back by a source of power and destroyed

also there is no reason for monok to try and use the throne.. he of all peep will know that he cannot sit or draw power from the throne ala the prophecy in moi that is silverfox

[namo]

"The sorcerous windstorm must have raced into the chamber, with a power the bonecaster could not withstand - the T'lan Imass had been thrown back, colliding with the right side of the throne, where [...] Monok Ochem had melted."

It seems pretty clear Icarium is responsible for Ochem's death.

What I don't understand is how people can be sure that Icarium regained his memory : he asks Veed why the Letherii are now looking at him with hope, when it was contempt before. He clearly doesn't remember what happened. So personally I just have to admit I *don't know* why he is saying "There is no need"...