[tiam]

no gethol should be reasonably powerful being gothos brother. i know that doesnt mean much but he cant be a total weakling. Neway yes that Icariumssmum is an FA was ruled out by malaclypse despite my arguements. the arguements was beetween FA abd TT however malaclypse ruled out both of these so i now beleive it is the eres.

[Red_orbiT]

Anyways, anybody noticed that Icarium has a striking likeness to THE INCREDIBLE HULK?
He's even green...

[PannionDude]

Icarium's schtick seems to be entirely a matter of timing. Karsa can knock him out/Mappo can club him out at the beginning, before he starts keening.

Once he's in "rage mode" Quick Ben's warrens just toss him back a little bit, and QB takes damage himself in the process.

Thus, I agree that any good ambusher (Dejim Ne'brahl, Cotillion, Karsa, etc.) can jump Iccy, the key being to drop him before he goes ape****.

[dktorode]

Well that goes for any one in the whole series....if you catch them un awares they all can die at a drop of a hat...or rather a munition

[tiam]

could iccy stand up to a cusser?

[fan_83]

in full rage mode: the cusser wouldn;t even get near to him: his aure of wind will blow it away: in calm happy mode , maybe

[Dark Mac]

Cussers and other munitions feed on magical energy, so I assume any attempts to survive it would only result in greater damage.

[GingerBreadMan]

Yes he could, otherwise ST/Cotillion would just have their boys drop a cusser on him rather than try and get him trapped in an Azath.

[tiam]

yeh it sees a bit 2 easy for a cusser o work. I think in full rage mode that iccy would get blown back (like when QB blew him back) by a cusser but people round here beleive that if e.g. kalam had a good crossbow and was behind iccy then hed e able to kill him? you think no one else in history has ever tried that? of course the main danger with trying to kill him is failing thereofre mkaing hi destroy a city or two. But seriosly he cant be that weak when in normal mode. i believe he cannot be killed effectively and any tie someone fires a quarrel at the first sign of impact his shield thing would come into play

[fan_83]

sigh: in full rage mode: iccy has an aura of wind around him capable of tossing dead human bodies around: that equates to a wind strong enough to blow a cusser far enough back that when it explodes it will not cause much damage

when in happy mode: it is uncertain as moranth ammo is a new thing, and nobody has the guts to go try it, expecially if they fail, iccy will destroy anything on that continent before coming back to happy mode

[GingerBreadMan]

It is relatively new, however ST was responsible for it a staple of the Malaz army. He is crazy, he views Icarium as a threat, and Icarium is almost always walking in the middle of nowhere. If he fails, so what? Icarium's rage does not last all that long from what we have seen, it eliminates threats and then goes away. So the assassin would die(unles he ran via warrens) but that would be it, do you think ST isn't willing to sacrifice a single assassin to take out Icarium?

[Tiger_sword]

Not until he discovers wether or not he could use him. ST has a cunning way of subtly convincing people to help his cause. It would seam as if his goal is currently to reunite iccy with Mappo and see what happens! Iccy does not pose a major threat to ST directly thus he is unwilling to directly act. He will do the usual ascendant thing... push and pull.

[GingerBreadMan]

He already has tried to trap Icarium in an Azath, it seems like he has decided Icarium is too much of a threat.

[Dark Mac]

I'd just like to note that Icarium has been knocked unconscious several times. Cutting off his head while he's out of it would probably work to kill him.

[Illuyankas]

Only if it was fast enough to overcome his unconscious defense mechanism - though a cusser should do it.

[PannionDude]

Yeah, I think Iccy is almost unique among the characters in that he is really two characters.

Rage mode Iccy can't be knocked out/restrained/defeated/whatever (unless you are The Deus Ex Machina, I mean Eres) Normal mode Iccy is totally vulnerable to attacks that don't give him time to transform (Karsa fist to face, Mappo club to head from behind), but you don't want to kill him, he's a nice guy.

Attacking Apsalar by surprise and attacking her normally are basically the same thing, you walk into a blender. In Icarium the dualism is most pronounced.

I agree, a cusser should take out normal mode Icarium.

[GingerBreadMan]

I doubt it...how many enemies has Icarium had in the past? Surely one of them would try a arrow in the back, spear in the back, knife in the back, magic in the back etc...ST does not like Icarium, in fact he risked the HoS in an attempt to get Icarium caught in the Azath, surely he who revolutionized warfare with the use of Moranth Munitions would have had one of his worshippers(assassins) take down Icarium with a Cusser? If he is willing to risk his HoS then he would be willing to risk a mere mortal assassin and send him with a cusser to blow Icarium to bits.

[tiam]

as for iccy wounding when hes normal. the passage of heboric were it ses that iccy kills that entire city it also says that they barred the gates fired a warning shot this shot then HIT ICARIUMS LEG breifly hit a stone and killed his companion.

PErsonally over the thousands of years hes bin around i do belivev someone would have tried it. Icarium althugh a nice guy has had to piss of countless civilisations all over the world. By this account it seems obvios that an ambusher has had to have been tried and has obviosly failed