[farengi]

I'm more curious about the emergence of the Eres'al. They are mentioned briefly in Midnight Tides and then come in full force in BH. I wonder what it was that led to their revival? The CG destroying Lether adn the rise of the Edur?

[Abyss]

re: Eres, altho first ref'd in HoC, in MT which takes place chronologically earlier, there was that 'primitive' race descended from the Eres who were blessed by Fear's wife Mayen and subsequently went all uber-mystic, resisted a major magic assault and killed Hull. Blanking on the name now, but maybe that 'awakened' the Eres witch to the present time period, since she appears to be flexible on the notion of past/present/future.

- Abyss, flexible on the concept of time more mornings.

[Dolorous Menhir]

You think the influence of the Eres arises from Mayen's blessing of Buruk the Pale's band of Nerek?

It is a bit perplexing, that the Eres was totally absent from the first three books, and by BH she is single-handedly powering most of the good guy's exploits (moving fleets, guiding Bottle, helping QB, maybe healing Iccy, getting jiggy with Trull, possessing T'Amber, anything else?).

[tiam]

well maybe as she travels time then maybe the blessing alerted the eres to this time and possibly the realm as her descendants were in need.

[Abyss]

Dolorous Menhir said:

You think the influence of the Eres arises from Mayen's blessing of Buruk the Pale's band of Nerek?

Not exactly - i think her attention was drawn to the conflict with the CG from the blessing of the Nerek.

Dolorous Menhir said:

It is a bit perplexing, that the Eres was totally absent from the first three books, and by BH she is single-handedly powering most of the good guy's exploits (moving fleets, guiding Bottle, helping QB, maybe healing Iccy, getting jiggy with Trull, possessing T'Amber, anything else?).

Sure, but the CG is barely mentioned in GotM, and arguably not responsible for anything going on there except the Pannion Domin, way off on the sidelines.

- Abyss, way off on the subwaylines.

[Morgoth]

and also, since the Nerek may be descendants of Trull and the Eres <-- Note may. The blessing may have had more of an effect because the races thus are stronly bonded to each other

[dktorode]

And this has what to do with Icarium??

[Dolorous Menhir]

No, the Hounds of Shadow took the last Dejim to Poleil as a lure for the Deragoth, so the Hounds of Darkness would get there and kill both Poleil and last-Dejim.

Right?

[Illuyankas]

Right.

[Brys Beddict]

It would make sense if Iccy was the embodiment of Chaos when he goes into rage mode. He took down an Azath House which asserts order in places with a lot of chaos. By destroying the House he might've released a lot of chaos which is what he uses when he goes buck wild and slaughters people.

[tiam]

yes in BH someone claims iccy was choas infected so yes that seems plausible

[Cause]

No cotilion who mentions the whole choatic entity that infected icarium came after icarium unsuccesfully assaulted the azath, anf from his failure his rage was born allowing him to defeat it and than he got effected. So if we believe cotilion his rage came before the choas

[tiam]

maybe choas made it ..... choatic seriosly maybe choas infection meant that he became uncontrollable

[tiam]

yes the essence of his rage comes from Gothos's blood however in MOI Gethol a pure blooded jaghut claims his rage wasnt enough. iccys main power behind his rage is his other side.

[caladanbrood]

Aye, if only we knew who that was... (Yes, you know I'm talking to you, you teaser you:p)
I'm pretty sure it's Calm - the Forkrul Assail who Icarium himself trapped under the rock, who was freed by Karsa and Co and made Delum Thord go all gooey-brained...

[Dolorous Menhir]

I thought "Icarium's mum is an FA" has been properly ruled out. Sure I read that here somewhere.