Werthead said:
Sounds good. However, unless info from RG explains this (i.e. it's possible to travel through time by going into the Nascent), Midnight Tides must take place significantly before Deadhouse Gates. Unfortunately, without access to Reaper's Gale (any word on how close to being finished that is, btw?), I cannot comment as to the dating with concerns to GotM. The biggest problem with that is that Pale is still under siege when Karsa passes through the Malazan settlements at the start of HoC, and shortly after that he kills Binadas who was on his way to find Trull, thus Trull must have been put on the Wall (an event that took place after Midnight Tides finished) at least several weeks if not months before the Siege of Pale ends.
1) Midnight Tides ends.
2) Trull Sengar stirs up trouble speaking against Rhulad (several weeks at least).
3) Trull Sengar imprisoned on the Wall in the Nascent and left there at least for several weeks.
4) The Edur fleets spread across the world and capture the Silanda (several months, surely).
5) Karsa passes through northern Genabackis before the Siege of Pale ends, or roughly at the same time as it ends.
6) Binadas takes the Silanda into the Nascent to find Trull for whatever reason.
7) Karsa meets Binadas and introduces him to the spear.
8) Onrack rescues Trull from the Nascent Wall after Paran has freed the Hounds from Dragnipur. The appearance of the Deragoth shortly after this in Malazworld must place these events as happening as they appear to in the book (i.e. all during the events of House of Chains).
Date references (mainly from TBH):
The Edur spend 2 years raiding the Nemil and 6 months sailing along Seven Cities' north coast after the events of Midnight Tides (putting Midnight Tides in 1162 at the latest).
Karsa spends several years in Sha'ik's camp before Felisin and Heboric show up. I'm sure I read '3 years' in HoC but am now unable to find the reference (putting Midnight Tides in 1161 at the latest).
:Erm: (goes and lies down)
re: Karsa's journey and the siege of Pale..actually the news of Pale's fall is heard at Culvern Crossing, I'll just paste something I wrote about this earlier:
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When Karsa is captured (the second time) in the town on Silver Lake, Silgar notes that the Malazan principal army is currently 'bogged down outside the walls of Pale', placing that event between 1160 and 1163 BS.(HoC, UK MMPB, p.160)...shortly thereafter, 'the latest news from the south' is that Pale is fallen (HoC, UK MMPB, p.170), therefore the year must be 1163 BS, as only 3 days pass between Karsa's capture and the departure from Silver Lake (HoC, UK MMPB, p.165) and 6 days between then and the arrival at Culvern Crossing, where the news of Pale's fall is heard (HoC, UK MMPB, p.166). It seems unlikely that the news would take very long to travel, perhaps a week or two at the outside, considering the sorcerous means of communication available to the Malazans and the obvious advantages of spreading the news among both the Genabackan natives and the Malazan soldiers. So...1163 BS, Karsa begins his second journey, making the date of his departure from his tribe late 1162 or 1163 BS (not 1159), as the journey to Silver Lake takes a few weeks at maximum (HoC, UK MMPB, p.32) and Karsa isn't imprisoned for more than a few days after his initial capture.
re: the problem with the order of events in the Nascent...I fear these issues can never be resolved properly. We have several clues that time does not flow 'normally' in the Nascent and so I've just ignored that, but I'll see if I can work it out another way:
1) Trull Sengar is Shorn and chained in the Nascent, Binadas and co. enter the Nascent as part of the Search for worthy foes around the same time, or perhaps before (which would work better).
2) Time, relative to the the Malazan realm, effectively stops.
3) let's say Karsa's journey takes him through most of the events of MoI, which doesn't seem unreasonable to me...was Binadas around at the end of MT?, he could have left earlier than the rest of the Edur fleet, I think......anyway, since we know that time doesn't flow normally in the Nascent, I don't have any problem excluding the events that occurred with in that warren from consideration in the timeline, whether it's an honest mistake on SE's part or something he did on purpose...I think it's barely possible for it to makes sense if time effectively stands still in the Nascert, at least for the period immediately following the catastrophic flooding. If not, then time has to flow backward (again, perhaps just for that time period) or some sort of time-shift occurs when entering/leaving that Realm, not necessarily consistent in any way, shape or form with the timeline in the mortal realm.
re: the dates/durations mentioned from BH..I don't have a canonical copy of BH yet, being in Canada, so I will have to rely on others for confirmation or denial, quotes, pg. ref's etc. ...let's put it this way, if we can agree that BH ends in 1165 and that Tavore's fleet arrives at Lether in 1165 or 1166, then MT has to be in 1163 or 1164, more likely 1163, which works with the existing timing points between the two. If these dates or estimates thereof from BH don't fit with that, then they are misleading, imo
the ref. re: the years Karsa spends with Sha'ik says simply 'in the years he spent there' iirc, and must be discarded imo...I will hunt this down momentarily...
of course, there are other ways to render the timeline, depending on which quotes one chooses to accept over others. I just think this one makes the most sense
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. It lasts about 7-11 months - Paran mentions it's been two years since he freed hound of Shadow from Dragnipur (that was 1163) and Scillara goes from not showing to giving birth (circa 7 months) and there are plenty of stuff happening after that - so it ends well into 1165.
