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Is Kruppe the mortal sword of Queen of Dreams?

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Posted 02 March 2006 - 06:45 PM

In rereading MOI, dream references are everywhere with Kruppe. Does it make sense then, that he could be the Mortal Sword so to speak? Not knowing much about this ascendant, doesn't it make sense that the Mortal Sword would be more adept at manipulating dreams, rather than swinging a sword? Could explain how Brood wasn't able to touch him during his hammer temper tantrum I guess.
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Posted 02 March 2006 - 07:43 PM

nah, Kruppe's association is clearly with K'rul, not the QoD. and amazing as "Kruppe the Mortal Sword" would be, he strikes as more of a Destriant than a martial type. not that K'rul seems to bother with the titles. and most assume that K'rul was directly protecting him from Brood's hammer, no proof of that though.

funny though, I never connected Kruppe's unusual dreams with the QoD. in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a position in the High House Life. that's an interesting thought. Champion or Priest or (ahem) Virgin.

Kruppe, Virgin of High House Life...has a nice ring to it, no?
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Posted 02 March 2006 - 09:18 PM

I think Hetan would claim differently.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 11:19 AM

Kruppe would if so be a Jhistal :)
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 09:40 PM

what exactly does this mean. I have not been able to find a definition in any of the glossaries
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Posted 29 March 2006 - 04:02 AM

a jhistal preist is a priest (mage) in the cult of Mael.

Mallick Rel, for example, was a Jhistal Priest.

no idea why they are called that though.
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Posted 29 March 2006 - 06:26 AM

Jhistal=Destriant of Elder Gods, not Mael-specific.
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Posted 29 March 2006 - 11:33 AM

Kruppe is just allied with K'rul, he's no destriant or anything.
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Posted 29 March 2006 - 05:05 PM

Whelp said:

Jhistal=Destriant of Elder Gods, not Mael-specific.


where did you get that idea from (not insulting, i'm interested to know)
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Posted 29 March 2006 - 05:52 PM

It's defined in the glossary of The Bonehunters.
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Posted 29 March 2006 - 06:41 PM

Illuyankas said:

It's defined in the glossary of The Bonehunters.

auh ok i haven't been able to get myhands on a copy of BH yet so that explains it :p

that definitely raises some questions about mael's taste in people though :p
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Posted 30 March 2006 - 01:03 AM

Illuyankas said:

It's defined in the glossary of The Bonehunters.


that would be a spolier then
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Posted 30 March 2006 - 07:12 PM

anyways...i think since Osserc is the Champion of High House Life, then his son L'oric should be Priest of High House Life...

Kruppe...is an oddity, maybe an unaligned?
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Posted 30 March 2006 - 08:47 PM

Osserc said:

anyways...i think since Osserc is the Champion of High House Life, then his son L'oric should be Priest of High House Life...

Kruppe...is an oddity, maybe an unaligned?


Your argument would start to make sense if you substituted 'Light' for 'Life' :p

I personally think Kruppe could occupy a position in HH Life, perhaps even Champion, though I think Brood fits better, perhaps Priest for Kruppe?

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 11:15 AM

A Priest would assume magical abilities. IIRC we haven't seen any magic performed by Kruppe yet. However, him withstanding the blow from Caladan Brood may suggest he's a K.O. (see HoC) type of person. Extremely self-confident etc.
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 01:32 PM

Kruppe is a mage. Don't know why there is doubt over this, it's as obvious in GotM as "Crokus is a thief" or "Sorry is a stone killer".

http://www.malazanempire.com/forums/showth...73250#post73250
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Posted 14 April 2006 - 12:05 PM

Maybe I'm a bit too subjective on this subject, but NO, I DON'T think Kruppe is an ascendant at all!
Mortal Sword? Hoods hairy balls on an anvil, no way!

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Posted 14 April 2006 - 12:07 PM

Thought everybody agreed on Kruppe being a Mockra mage. Don't think he's an ascendant either.
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Posted 16 April 2006 - 12:11 AM

Kruppe cant be Mortal sword as that is the mortal chamipion as in martial champion of a god. he could be destriant maybe b ut i doubt it. the oly magi we see kruppe do is the theivery in GOTm and his later wiping of murillios memory when his eel-ery is found out. also i doubt kruppe could be a champion as you have to be a ood warrioir i think. he could be magi or equivelant
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Posted 19 April 2006 - 11:52 PM

You all forget that Kruppe tried using his magery on Lorn, but she owned him with her ototaral sword :). No evidence of which warren he possesses (except that it isn't elder) or that he is an ascendant.

Seems to be some sort of link hinted between him and K'rul though in MOI.
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