[Abyss]

Fanderay said:

... not that we strap on our swords to go in to the office in the morning prepared to mete out death and destruction to defend our point of view.

I do. Is that bad? I mean, not on casual Fridays or anything, and on weekends a good dagger is usually sufficient, but Mon-Thurs, it's just sort of assumed... what were we talking about?

Oh, right, it's certainly possible the reference isn't to his sword... Rake's got a few hundred thou years of history in which take take all kinds of heinous vengeances that could come back to bite him in the andiiass. But the name of the sword just seems a little too likely a hint. Tho' again, maybe someone else acquires it from Traveller.

- Abyss, makes note to self to polish chainmail for meeting on Monday.

[doolally2au]

Originally posted by Abyss

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But the name of the sword just seems a little too likely a hint.

Maybe it's not a sword - maybe it's a red herring!

[Abyss]

There's a herring named Vengeance? Was this in one of the novellas? Is it an evil herring? Quote?

- Abyss, thinks something fishy is going on here...

[tiam]

but the way it says his own vengeance clearly hints at his sword. The sword he used to fight draconus when he had dragnipur. He has only forged one sword i think. so his own vengeance must mean specifically HIS sword. And to the point that someone takes it from dassem ultor. Who the hell is gonna do that?

[Morgoth]

It does necessarily need to be interpreted so litterary.. Perhaps he will take vengance on something, and this will generate events that lead to his downfall? It does not clearly state that it has to be the sword, it is just one of the ore logical conclusions. Deciding it to be the only viable option is not the best stand to take i think

[Set'alahd Crool]

I got a mate with a cr. card to order it for me shortly after it's release. He got it from clarkesworld which, even though it had to cross the atlantic, worked out at €50. That was €10 cheaper that amazon uk. Go figure.

[tiam]

Yes but you must admit it is rather likely. The sword and the prophecy mean that is is quite plausible. It is likely to happen. Myabe dassem is responsible for the demise of rake and hell be the one to break dragnipur. then , i dunno he slays everything init.

[Dolorous Menhir]

But I don't want Rake or Hood to die!

Plus Hood is one of the most powerful opponents of the Chained God, he aided the assault on Coral big time. Losing him would be devastating.

[tiam]

also i believe that hood is the most powerful elder god who isnt an elder god (?) if you get what i mean., hes the oldest god (whos also a jaghut i swear.)
and is very powerful. so likley a vital player in chaining the crippled god

[S Ruin]

I also personally think Rake will meet Traveller. If you look at the facts it just points to them meeting.

I think Shadowthrone and The Rope (Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader reincarnated) are manipulating the situation. Dont forget that it was The Rope who told cutter to give the sword to traveller and said tell him the names of the sword - Grief or Vengeance - He knew Traveller will choose Vengeance because of his past and all. Why did he do this - Remember what Aspalar told Cutter about the throne on Drift Avali when cutter wondered why shadowthrone does not sit his scrawny ass on the throne or even move it - she said that the throne cannot be moved because Rake has wrapped it with sorcery. I think shadowthrone and dancer know about this prophecy and are using it to get traveller to fight rake so that he can kill him. I think the sorcery placed on the throne by rake will probably fade away if rake is killed. Since most of us think traveller is (you know who) and believe me although Rake is my best character of all time (the most kick-ass character ever created in fantasy history since Ashen Sugar/Thomas the Valheru), I dont think Traveller can be defeated with that sword in his hand.

Also dont forget Paran was looking for rake at the end of MOI to let him know what was happening at drift avali so sooner or later Rake is going to go to that Island. Personally I think that there will be a standoff but hopefully commonsense will prevail and they will stay their hands. People are always underestimating Rake so i am hoping that he will know that the Gods are manipulating the situation

Draginpur can be broken - I really dont care but if rake is killed - then infact no words will be able to describe my feelings. At least we will still have Silchas Ruin.

[S Ruin]

Sorry I forgot to mention in my previous posting - I know most people will say that why should they fight since Traveller is helping him defend the throne. That is all good but two people of such immense power meeting, something is bound to happen. From what we know about both of them, they dont acquiesce to anyone. It could be that rake wants him off the island and traveller does not want to leave. It could be like a seguleh kind of thing where thay have to know who is the better fighter. Seguleh 2nd vs 7th. No one really knows obviously but can you imagine when rake strolls into the room with draginpur strapped on his back and traveller holding vengeance in his hand - their eyes lock - common people - swords will clash.

[tiam]

Also rake might want his sword back. Or also he might want to avenge andarist against ne1 there. or maybe i dunno that rake thinks dassem killed darist because he has the sword and before dassem has the chance to say nething rake goes for him. it could happen but we know rake can be hot headed when it comes to his brothers. in MT he its sed he flies off the handle

[Tiger_sword]

Gotta fend of any more Edur that might show up too.

[tiam]

im sure he wont have ne trouble doing that . neway i think andarist was the excpetion to the children of MD in the way he was quite crap with a sword compared to silchas and rake. Or maybe he just wanted it to end but didnt want to give up his honour by failing his task. just a theory.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Andarist had the potential to be the strongest of all the Three because he had power, real power but renounced his draconian blood due to some breakup...I think he was justified in seeming somewhat crap considering he was a full blooded mortal fighting with only a tength of his old skiull.

Remember what he said to cutter? Something about if he felt his old raw emotional pain there'd be no need for cutters assistance. I think he got a raw deal and he was the strongest of the three because he remained a pure Tiste andii.

[Dolorous Menhir]

it doesn't make sense that Andarist was the strongest brother BECAUSE he renounced his draconic blood and was just a "vanilla" Andii. it's drinking the blood of Tiam that has made Rake and Ruin the badasses they are. Andarist was weak.

the "emotional pain" comment relates to his sword. if he'd still been feeling the raw emotions of his mysterious betrayal/break-up he would've been unstoppable with Grief/Vengeance (as Traveller is now). but he didn't even care about that any more, so he fell.

I really hated it, that Andarist died. would've liked to know more about Rake's resentful little brother. he must've been the big brother from hell, can you imagine?

I reread the section with Nok, and Ameron is referred to in the same breath as the Crust brothers, so he must have disappeared in a similar manner. sorry about that.

[tiam]

hmmmmmmm fiddler just waits ..... and then a cusser just sails down and kils them all. a fitting end if you ask me to all those powerful beings. just one guy with a bomb does them in

[Dolmen 2.0]

I don't know...I see quick ben in the mix. And kell, and cottilion...I think mommy dark comes right at the end as the cusser gets thrown 2.

All in all gruntle, its a good overview and I won't tarnish your efforts by pointing out a few problems like Y the Jade hand?

still:clap:

[tiam]

Dolmen said:

Andarist had the potential to be the strongest of all the Three because he had power, real power but renounced his draconian blood due to some breakup...I think he was justified in seeming somewhat crap considering he was a full blooded mortal fighting with only a tength of his old skiull.

Remember what he said to cutter? Something about if he felt his old raw emotional pain there'd be no need for cutters assistance. I think he got a raw deal and he was the strongest of the three because he remained a pure Tiste andii.

I think they all had the potential to be the best brother. But andarist just renounced his power. he did seem to be the weakest. But on terms of swordsmen ship maybe if we put rake or ruin in that situation they would do better.


On another note why does silchas use 2 longswords? when rake and darist use 2 handed swords and seem to have there own sort of style. maybe coz he was the youngest and just chose to be different. Also why is he clear white? hes an albino but doesnt that mean on the basis of human that he is flawed? surely MD wouldnt let her children be flawed. also why does his name deviate from andarist anomander and then silchas ruin? its a bit odd to me.