[Lady Bliss]

Werthead, on 02 March 2026 - 09:10 PM, said:

Some Iranian missiles directed towards oil refineries in the Gulf. That could cause real pain if they went after them hard.

One unconfirmed report that a regular Iranian army unit has refused IRGC orders to join them in suppressing protestors in Tehran, leading to an exchange of fire. Other Iranian units have refused to transfer AA assets to IRGC forces. The regular Iranian military has taken some damage, but nothing like the fire that has been directed at IRGC command and control nodes and bases. The IRGC may have lost control of parts of Tehran due to several of their bases being destroyed with significant casualties.

Beijing has reportedly gotten Tehran to guarantee safe passage for oil shipments through the Straits of Hormuz, at least for Chinese ships or those bound for China. Though that's in question, an hour ago Iranian representatives were saying they will set fire to the straits if anyone tries to pass through (how they plan to do that is another question, but still).

One report breaking that Saudi Arabia gave Trump the greenlight for attacking Iran, possibly a result of "alarming" intelligence about the direction of travel of Iran's missile and nuclear programmes. Saudi and Iran were very heavily opposed to one another up until a few years ago, when China brokered a deal, and Saudi has been much more cautious since then, so interesting they went in full-throttled support of Israel and the US attacking Iran. Some Saudi sources have even urged Saudi Arabia to join in, but that seems to being held off at the moment as the idea of Saudi and Israeli jets flying into combat on the same side is still unpalatable to a lot of people. But Trump is apparently pushing Saudi recognition of Israel again in the background.

Apparently some Ukrainian anti-drone units (or rather, people from them in rotation off the front line) might already be in the UAE and Qatar with advice for those governments on how to handle low-cost drones. Qatar is warning that it's Patriot batteries will run dry in 4 days at current rates of fire.

Trump has reportedly turned down a call from Putin over the crisis.

Turkey has offered to mediate the crisis. Less confirmed reports that Turkey has told Iran bluntly what they will do if Iran targets the major US airbase at Incirlik.

American KIA have risen to 6, along with three F-15s shot down over Kuwait in an apparent friendly fire incident.

Greece has deployed F-16s to Cyprus to help intercept incoming drones.

The Shahid Bagheri, possibly the most advanced ship in the Iranian Navy (not saying much), has apparently been destroyed. Total Iranian naval asset losses are eleven, leaving no Iranian ships east of the Straits of Hormuz.

The Israelis and Americans appear to have targeted the fuel enrichment complex at Natanz, with significant damage shown.

Damage to the US 5th Fleet headquarters in Bahrain is considerably more extensive than first reported, with two radar systems destroyed and four buildings levelled.

It appears Russia may have back-sold Shaheds to Iran; one of the drones shot down over Cyprus had Russian-made satellite navigation systems.

Air alert sirens sounding in Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Riyadh and Amman, unclear if Amman is under direct attack (for the first time in the conflict) or missiles are overflying to Israel.

Israel has come under a strong bombardment of advanced ballistic missiles with multiple warheads.

A Patriot battery fired TWELVE interceptors to take down what appear to be munitions from 2-3 Iranian missiles. That exchange rate is not going to work.

Currently over 150 ships are holding on either side of the Straits of How ormuz, unwilling to risk crossing. Several ships that did cross earlier may have been Chinese.

So basically it’s ww3 thanks to the orange bastard and satanyahu

[Planck]

I really don’t understand some of these posts.

1. Israel is not going to be a pariah state once the “genocide in Gaza” is over. Assuming there was a genocide in the first place, there is now a ceasefire, so the “genocide” is over. The Indian Prime Minister just travelled to Israel to create a massive deal with them. At the same time that was happening, the Israeli President went to Ethiopia to bolster ties there.

2. This is not World War Three. This is literally just one country in the Middle East firing missiles against a plethora of other countries in the Middle East and Western bases.


3. There is so much vitriol here against Trump and Netanyahu, but barely any against a regime that killed thousands of its own citizens, treats women as second class citizens, etc. and is really just deplorable. I mean, really? Trump and Netanyahu are worse? I’m not for a second calling either of them saints (far from it), but goodness me.

[Garak]

Israel is letting settlers muscle in on Gaza again and giving people eviction notices. And they've been making noises again on how they should get their Biblical borders back.

Trump and Netanyahu started this shit show, not Iran. I despise the Iranian government but this won't solve anything. You don't topple a government with air strikes. And US attempts at regime changes have always just led to a worse local situation (see the rise of ISIS). The Iranian government will make their dead leader into a martyr now.

[Tiste Simeon]

 Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

I really don’t understand some of these posts.

1. Israel is not going to be a pariah state once the “genocide in Gaza” is over. Assuming there was a genocide in the first place, there is now a ceasefire, so the “genocide” is over. The Indian Prime Minister just travelled to Israel to create a massive deal with them. At the same time that was happening, the Israeli President went to Ethiopia to bolster ties there.

2. This is not World War Three. This is literally just one country in the Middle East firing missiles against a plethora of other countries in the Middle East and Western bases.


3. There is so much vitriol here against Trump and Netanyahu, but barely any against a regime that killed thousands of its own citizens, treats women as second class citizens, etc. and is really just deplorable. I mean, really? Trump and Netanyahu are worse? I’m not for a second calling either of them saints (far from it), but goodness me.

Oh wow you actually believe there's an actual ceasefire in Gaza. Bless your heart.

[the broken]

Re first genocide of internet age... Rohingya? Uyghurs? Falun Gong? Maybe US in Afghanistan, since everything done in Gaza also happened there?

Re regime change, East Germany went ok, and a lot the post Soviet states, assuming we exclude the WW2 stuff. I've heard arguments for Grenada and Panama going ok, and Venezuela hasn't collapsed into anarchy yet. Granted the odds are against things going well.

[QuickTidal]

Grief, on 02 March 2026 - 11:46 PM, said:

I'm not a Shah apologist by any stretch but the last Shah is not especially comparable to the current regime. The current regime has most likely executed more of its opponents since the start of this year than the Shah did over his entire tenure.

Is he Mosaddegh?

Then he's worse than what they had democratically elected prior to that. A US puppet king is still puppet.

Mosaddegh dared to suggest that BP be audited to make sure they weren't stealing oil profits from the people of Iran...and the USA on behalf of BP was like "Nah, here have this king that's into our pocket instead"...like most other things in this world, the current strife can be traced back DIRECTLY to the United States action in the past (usually on behalf of oil interest).

[amphibian]

 Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

I really don’t understand some of these posts.

1. Israel is not going to be a pariah state once the “genocide in Gaza” is over. Assuming there was a genocide in the first place, there is now a ceasefire, so the “genocide” is over. The Indian Prime Minister just travelled to Israel to create a massive deal with them. At the same time that was happening, the Israeli President went to Ethiopia to bolster ties there.

2. This is not World War Three. This is literally just one country in the Middle East firing missiles against a plethora of other countries in the Middle East and Western bases.


3. There is so much vitriol here against Trump and Netanyahu, but barely any against a regime that killed thousands of its own citizens, treats women as second class citizens, etc. and is really just deplorable. I mean, really? Trump and Netanyahu are worse? I’m not for a second calling either of them saints (far from it), but goodness me.

There has not been a stoppage of violence - a blockade has been put on and food/gas will not reach Gaza. The genocide continues. It also doesn't go away once violence is stopped either. The effects continue on for generations.

If you don't quantify what is happening in Gaza when the UN Committee focused on determining that did (https://www.ohchr.or...ommission-finds), you have an ideological position that is probably a bit offset from reality here.

One can simultaneously say the government of Iran has been a particular blend of religious extremism, brutal control, anti-Semitic, anti-peace, and stupidity and not want the members of that government to be murdered indiscriminately alongside civilians by a stupid, corrupt, and incompetent US federal administration.

The people of Iran are a combination of mourning and celebrating the deaths of the top government people, while also likely all wanting the US and Israelis to stop bombing them and hurting people. Military force alone doesn't put in a democratic government that's good. This path doesn't lead to good things.

[QuickTidal]

Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

I really don’t understand some of these posts.

1. Israel is not going to be a pariah state once the “genocide in Gaza” is over. Assuming there was a genocide in the first place, there is now a ceasefire, so the “genocide” is over.

Putting genocide in scare quotes (fucking twice) doesn't mean it's not happening. I would enjoy an explanation on how a completely surrounded plot of land (by air, land, and sea) and its indigenous population...getting flattened by the surrounding nation with the only escape being "Well go become a refugee elsewhere if you don't like getting bombed in your homeland"...is somehow NOT a genocide.


The woman who looked after my son when he was young is a Palestinian refugee whose grandparents had to leave their homes when she was a child, and still have their key...she cannot ever go home to the place of her birth, and she cried ever day she heard the news for years...I wear my Keffiyeh out in public for her.

Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

The Indian Prime Minister just travelled to Israel to create a massive deal with them.

Sorry, we're holding up Modi as some bastion of trade and non-evil? LOL. My PM just made a deal with him too, I expect it only to last as long as Modi considers it politically expedient.

Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

At the same time that was happening, the Israeli President went to Ethiopia to bolster ties there.

A single African nation with 132k people? What a huge deal.

Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

This is literally just one country in the Middle East firing missiles against a plethora of other countries in the Middle East and Western bases.

Wild you leave out the part where they were attacked. Like Israel and the US just got strategically hit by Iran out of the blue...like..LOL

Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

3. There is so much vitriol here against Trump

The guy who ripped up the peace agreement and nuclear armistice that the USA had with Iran and they were abiding that Obama negotiated? Wild, I wonder why there would be vitriol towards him...nevermind he's mentioned over 1million times in the unreacted E files...and the 84 gajillion racist things he's done, or ICE or anything else. Quite frankly I'm not sure we're hard ENOUGH on Trump here.

Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

and Netanyahu

This man is one of the most evil men to ever walk the planet. The sooner he's arrested for his war crimes the better. Israel has a long road to walk to get back to the global community good graces, and the very beginning of that road is to charge and imprison Netanyahu and his entire cabinet. I don't doubt there are decent people in Israel, but extremists like Bibi need to be out of power. This man and his mentor (Sharon) are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people over decades. Like crack a book, any book that features the man, start with "100 years of War on Palestine" by American scholar Rashid Khalidi, the stories he tells about Netanyahu as a young man (his father was on the UN security council) would not only curl your toes, but would/should enrage you.

Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

but barely any against a regime that killed thousands of its own citizens, treats women as second class citizens, etc. and is really just deplorable.

There is a BIG difference between finding the Iranian regime terrible and thinking it's therefore perfectly fine for the US to play interventionist world police and attack them without congressional approval, or the general approval of the world willy nilly. The Negotiations as of Last Friday as they stood were that Iran was going to HAND over every bit of remaining fissionable material to the USA...and Netanyahu and Trump attacked them anyways. I don't think anyone here is advocating that the Ayatollah and his regime are good...but that the US only does regime change for personal wealth.

It's not even that hard to see the progression:

Mosaddegh is democratically elected by Iran in 1952, and starts to ask questions about BP oil interests in Iran and the possibility that they were thieving oil profits from the Iranian people, so the US had him unseated and regime changed with the supposed royal family of the Shahs, and 4 successive Shah's then ruled as puppets for America(s oil interests)....and every one eventually died in exile...the last of which was unseated in the coup that resulted in the current islamic regime...So when we blame the USA it's because this all tracks back to the USA not wanting Iranian people to be in control of their own oil...

Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

I mean, really? Trump and Netanyahu are worse? I’m not for a second calling either of them saints (far from it), but goodness me.

I'd love for you to point out where anyone said worse...most of us just said not better, because the US interests are not about the Iranian people...like we're going to pretend that the guy who shits all over protestors in the US is somehow freeing protesting Iranians from their govt for altruistic reasons? LMAO, you don't believe that do you?

the broken, on 03 March 2026 - 10:36 AM, said:

Re first genocide of internet age... Rohingya? Uyghurs? Falun Gong? Maybe US in Afghanistan, since everything done in Gaza also happened there?

None of those situations are the same though. None of those are trapped by land, sea, and air in a "you will be killed unless you leave your homeland become refugees"...Gaza is special in that regard. I don't know that anyone is suggesting other genocides are not taking place. I mean, there's a reason the Palestinian struggle is over 100 years old by this point...the same cannot be said for those other instances.

the broken, on 03 March 2026 - 10:36 AM, said:

Re regime change, East Germany went ok, and a lot the post Soviet states, assuming we exclude the WW2 stuff. I've heard arguments for Grenada and Panama going ok, and Venezuela hasn't collapsed into anarchy yet. Granted the odds are against things going well.

So out of 120 regime changes by the USA you had to not only reach to WWII/postWWII which was NOT the USA but a coalition of nations...and "I heard arguments about Grenada and Panama" and "I think Venezuela has not collapsed into anarchy yet"

Not a flex dude. US Regime change by and large has gone poorly for most nations it was done to.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 03 March 2026 - 02:00 PM

[Planck]

 amphibian, on 03 March 2026 - 01:24 PM, said:

 Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

I really don’t understand some of these posts.

1. Israel is not going to be a pariah state once the “genocide in Gaza” is over. Assuming there was a genocide in the first place, there is now a ceasefire, so the “genocide” is over. The Indian Prime Minister just travelled to Israel to create a massive deal with them. At the same time that was happening, the Israeli President went to Ethiopia to bolster ties there.

2. This is not World War Three. This is literally just one country in the Middle East firing missiles against a plethora of other countries in the Middle East and Western bases.


3. There is so much vitriol here against Trump and Netanyahu, but barely any against a regime that killed thousands of its own citizens, treats women as second class citizens, etc. and is really just deplorable. I mean, really? Trump and Netanyahu are worse? I’m not for a second calling either of them saints (far from it), but goodness me.

There has not been a stoppage of violence - a blockade has been put on and food/gas will not reach Gaza. The genocide continues. It also doesn't go away once violence is stopped either. The effects continue on for generations.

If you don't quantify what is happening in Gaza when the UN Committee focused on determining that did (https://www.ohchr.or...ommission-finds), you have an ideological position that is probably a bit offset from reality here.

One can simultaneously say the government of Iran has been a particular blend of religious extremism, brutal control, anti-Semitic, anti-peace, and stupidity and not want the members of that government to be murdered indiscriminately alongside civilians by a stupid, corrupt, and incompetent US federal administration.

The people of Iran are a combination of mourning and celebrating the deaths of the top government people, while also likely all wanting the US and Israelis to stop bombing them and hurting people. Military force alone doesn't put in a democratic government that's good. This path doesn't lead to good things.

We’re using different definitions of ‘ceasefire’ - I’m using a diplomatic/military one, not a moral end-state.

I also don’t see how diplomacy is possible with a government that openly chants ‘death to America’.

Hope I’ve done this quote thing right!

[Tiste Simeon]

"It's not a real ceasefire just a metaphorical one!"

That's what you sound like.

[Planck]

 QuickTidal, on 03 March 2026 - 01:59 PM, said:

 Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

I really don’t understand some of these posts.

1. Israel is not going to be a pariah state once the “genocide in Gaza” is over. Assuming there was a genocide in the first place, there is now a ceasefire, so the “genocide” is over.

Putting genocide in scare quotes (fucking twice) doesn't mean it's not happening. I would enjoy an explanation on how a completely surrounded plot of land (by air, land, and sea) and its indigenous population...getting flattened by the surrounding nation with the only escape being "Well go become a refugee elsewhere if you don't like getting bombed in your homeland"...is somehow NOT a genocide.


The woman who looked after my son when he was young is a Palestinian refugee whose grandparents had to leave their homes when she was a child, and still have their key...she cannot ever go home to the place of her birth, and she cried ever day she heard the news for years...I wear my Keffiyeh out in public for her.

 Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

The Indian Prime Minister just travelled to Israel to create a massive deal with them.

Sorry, we're holding up Modi as some bastion of trade and non-evil? LOL. My PM just made a deal with him too, I expect it only to last as long as Modi considers it politically expedient.

 Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

At the same time that was happening, the Israeli President went to Ethiopia to bolster ties there.

A single African nation with 132k people? What a huge deal.

 Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

This is literally just one country in the Middle East firing missiles against a plethora of other countries in the Middle East and Western bases.

Wild you leave out the part where they were attacked. Like Israel and the US just got strategically hit by Iran out of the blue...like..LOL

 Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

3. There is so much vitriol here against Trump

The guy who ripped up the peace agreement and nuclear armistice that the USA had with Iran and they were abiding that Obama negotiated? Wild, I wonder why there would be vitriol towards him...nevermind he's mentioned over 1million times in the unreacted E files...and the 84 gajillion racist things he's done, or ICE or anything else. Quite frankly I'm not sure we're hard ENOUGH on Trump here.

 Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

and Netanyahu

This man is one of the most evil men to ever walk the planet. The sooner he's arrested for his war crimes the better. Israel has a long road to walk to get back to the global community good graces, and the very beginning of that road is to charge and imprison Netanyahu and his entire cabinet. I don't doubt there are decent people in Israel, but extremists like Bibi need to be out of power. This man and his mentor (Sharon) are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people over decades. Like crack a book, any book that features the man, start with "100 years of War on Palestine" by American scholar Rashid Khalidi, the stories he tells about Netanyahu as a young man (his father was on the UN security council) would not only curl your toes, but would/should enrage you.

 Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

but barely any against a regime that killed thousands of its own citizens, treats women as second class citizens, etc. and is really just deplorable.

There is a BIG difference between finding the Iranian regime terrible and thinking it's therefore perfectly fine for the US to play interventionist world police and attack them without congressional approval, or the general approval of the world willy nilly. The Negotiations as of Last Friday as they stood were that Iran was going to HAND over every bit of remaining fissionable material to the USA...and Netanyahu and Trump attacked them anyways. I don't think anyone here is advocating that the Ayatollah and his regime are good...but that the US only does regime change for personal wealth.

It's not even that hard to see the progression:

Mosaddegh is democratically elected by Iran in 1952, and starts to ask questions about BP oil interests in Iran and the possibility that they were thieving oil profits from the Iranian people, so the US had him unseated and regime changed with the supposed royal family of the Shahs, and 4 successive Shah's then ruled as puppets for America(s oil interests)....and every one eventually died in exile...the last of which was unseated in the coup that resulted in the current islamic regime...So when we blame the USA it's because this all tracks back to the USA not wanting Iranian people to be in control of their own oil...

 Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 06:20 AM, said:

I mean, really? Trump and Netanyahu are worse? I’m not for a second calling either of them saints (far from it), but goodness me.

I'd love for you to point out where anyone said worse...most of us just said not better, because the US interests are not about the Iranian people...like we're going to pretend that the guy who shits all over protestors in the US is somehow freeing protesting Iranians from their govt for altruistic reasons? LMAO, you don't believe that do you?

 the broken, on 03 March 2026 - 10:36 AM, said:

Re first genocide of internet age... Rohingya? Uyghurs? Falun Gong? Maybe US in Afghanistan, since everything done in Gaza also happened there?

None of those situations are the same though. None of those are trapped by land, sea, and air in a "you will be killed unless you leave your homeland become refugees"...Gaza is special in that regard. I don't know that anyone is suggesting other genocides are not taking place. I mean, there's a reason the Palestinian struggle is over 100 years old by this point...the same cannot be said for those other instances.

 the broken, on 03 March 2026 - 10:36 AM, said:

Re regime change, East Germany went ok, and a lot the post Soviet states, assuming we exclude the WW2 stuff. I've heard arguments for Grenada and Panama going ok, and Venezuela hasn't collapsed into anarchy yet. Granted the odds are against things going well.

So out of 120 regime changes by the USA you had to not only reach to WWII/postWWII which was NOT the USA but a coalition of nations...and "I heard arguments about Grenada and Panama" and "I think Venezuela has not collapsed into anarchy yet"

Not a flex dude. US Regime change by and large has gone poorly for most nations it was done to.

Putting “genocide” in quotes isn’t me denying anyone’s suffering. For me, things like coordinated polio vaccination campaigns, or the fact that ceasefire arrangements have existed at all (however fragile), make it hard to see clear intent to destroy a population.

On Israel being a “pariah state”- whatever one thinks of its policies, that doesn’t match reality. Israel has strong relationships with India, a major power, and with countries in Africa including Ethiopia, which has a population of over 100 million - this doesn’t make Israel isolated.

On WW3 - I never said Israel, the US or other countries in the Middle East were attacked “out of the blue”. My point to the individual who said it was just that calling this World War Three isn’t correct - this is a regional conflict involving one country against multiple others.

On Iran - Iran chants “death to America” - difficult to have diplomacy with a country that says this.

Also I never said anyone here claimed the US or Israel are worse than Iran. I said there seems to be far more anger directed at the US and Israel than Iran.

Also It’s not a metaphorical ceasefire — there are formal agreements between Israel and Hamas to stop fighting.

[Abyss]

Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 04:07 PM, said:

...
Also It's not a metaphorical ceasefire — there are formal agreements between Israel and Hamas to stop fighting.

You are aware that both sides are more or less ignoring those agreements, yes?

[QuickTidal]

Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 04:07 PM, said:

On Iran - Iran chants “death to America” - difficult to have diplomacy with a country that says this.

Google when this chant became a thing in Iran...and understand that just like every other militant anti-American outfit that it stems entirely from the US interventionist ways. They didn't just invent the phrase out of the ether. The Islamic caliphate didn't get up one day and decide on a new chant about a country on the other side of the planet.

Let's flip this around, if say Russia decided to attack and invade the USA based on the clear and present danger of White Supremacist Christian political bend right now threatens (and make no mistake about that, Kegseth [a man covered in white supremacist tattoos] literally told the military on this war is armageddon to being Jesus back) the world....that would be okay because of the rhetoric of those white supremacist Christian zealots and that big global power country attacked them due to rhetoric? A Rhetoric may I remind you that Iran has NEVER acted on. Like you and I both know that would never fly in reverse.

What makes the USA the world police?

If Iranians eventually overthrow their govt, so be it...but please know that US intervention is not because they chant anything...that's just the excuse they get you to believe (they said it for Iraq too, and WMD's...it was a lie then too)...they are doing it for oil and resources plain and simple. It's not to help you, it's not to help the Iranian people...it's for power and resources and the wealth of the 1%.

Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 04:07 PM, said:

Also I never said anyone here claimed the US or Israel are worse than Iran. I said there seems to be far more anger directed at the US and Israel than Iran.

You did in fact say that...want me to quote it?

I have anger enough to go around, at Iran's leadership for their oppression, at the US for (gestures broadly at every fucking thing), and Israel for their century long treatment of the indigenous Palestinians...I'm not being picky here bud.

Planck, on 03 March 2026 - 04:07 PM, said:

Also It’s not a metaphorical ceasefire — there are formal agreements between Israel and Hamas to stop fighting.

As Abyss said, you'd be a fool to believe that people are honouring the ceasefire from either angle, not Netanyahu or the Hamas leadership.

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[QuickTidal]

Oh look, one of my points being proven...

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[QuickTidal]

The US has completely missed where the real threat is in the world. What Iran has demonstrated in its response to these attacks in the last like 72 hours or whatever, is that Iran was NOT in fact an imminent existential threat to the US, Europe, or even the region.

Iran has appeared to try to release its MAXIMUM response militarily to this... and it ended up killing, what? less than half a dozen people. This is not a country that is an existential threat to global security.

So the more the US bangs the war drums that they were, the stupider this administration looks...Kegsbreath most of all. Epic Fury....MFer is a moron who thinks naming global military strikes like they are playstation 2 games is somehow peak.

EDIT: Also, this is literally the same reasoning the US used to build and drop the bombs on Japan...they SWORE that the Soviets were THIS close to it and if they beat them to it, it was going to all be over....meanwhile post-war investigation of the Soviets showed they were nowhere NEAR building anything viable and in the end they stole the plans for Fat Man from the Manhattan Project to build their first bomb the RDS-1. It's fascinating to me to watch the US constantly use jingoistic rhetoric to justify their own military exuberance, while projecting that the "enemy" (whoever that is in a given year) is going to do it first. Projection all the way down.

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[amphibian]

From the words of Secretary of State Rubio and President Trump, it's actually worse than projecting for power. Israel was going to launch strikes, so the President, Rubio, and Hegseth decided to do this too.

I'm not joking or slanting this. The State Department has on its own website these comments from Rubio. https://www.state.go...rks-to-press-6/

[QuickTidal]

amphibian, on 03 March 2026 - 06:18 PM, said:

From the words of Secretary of State Rubio and President Trump, it's actually worse than projecting for power. Israel was going to launch strikes, so the President, Rubio, and Hegseth decided to do this too.

I'm not joking or slanting this. The State Department has on its own website these comments from Rubio. https://www.state.go...rks-to-press-6/

Insanity. I hope all these people see prison time for this shit...but I'm not holding my breath.

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 03 March 2026 - 05:28 PM, said:

...Iran has appeared to try to release its MAXIMUM response militarily to this... and it ended up killing, what? less than half a dozen people. This is not a country that is an existential threat to global security....

something something nuclear weapons something hey LOOK OVER THERE!!!

....yknow, if they started the bombing to distract from the Epstein files one has to wonder what they'll do next to distract from the bombing... ...Cuba must be getting pretty nervous...

[Tiste Simeon]

Come on guys they'll have nukes in, like, I dunno let's say a month! Yeah! Only a month away! So we'd beat bomb girls primary schools and erm, hospitals! Yeah! That's going to stop those imminent nukes!

[worry]

amphibian, on 03 March 2026 - 06:18 PM, said:

From the words of Secretary of State Rubio and President Trump, it's actually worse than projecting for power. Israel was going to launch strikes, so the President, Rubio, and Hegseth decided to do this too.

I'm not joking or slanting this. The State Department has on its own website these comments from Rubio. https://www.state.go...rks-to-press-6/

Also at the strong behest of Saudi Arabia, whose lobbying was in conflict with our own intelligence reports. The "Death to America" chants are a cute reference we can all enjoy, but I think Stranger Things S5 closed the book on '80s nostalgia for at least a while. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia literally did 9/11, and our economic intere -- I mean diplomatic relationship -- appears to be thriving.