[D'rek]

Why do you wait until it's your turn to try and renegotiate these finnicky new arrangements, Twelve? You seemed to already have a solid plan worked out between you and Tapper but suddenly when it's your turn time to change it?

Now we must sit and wait for a long time, only for Tapper to come back and probably just say no (It's not like Tapper has anywhere else to go or other good ways to get some exhausted planets before DIPLO gets played), and then wait some more for you to come back and make an even finnickier counteroff (maybe you should just offer him a TG now so we don't have to wait for the inevitable counteroffer?), and then wait some more for Tapper to say no again, and then...

At least please make sure you give Blend a provisional for whether Tapper says yes or no for when you're inevitably not around after Tapper replies.

This post has been edited by D'rek: 23 April 2021 - 04:36 PM

[Tattersail_]

It's quite possible he had a move planned out but Morgoths move put a spanner in the works and now he has to readjust.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 23 April 2021 - 04:51 PM, said:

It's quite possible he had a move planned out but Morgoths move put a spanner in the works and now he has to readjust.

This. Plus other things.

[Morgoth]

Surely not that much of a surprise

[Morgoth]

I mean, I stated explicitly that this was my goal

[twelve]

And you just dont want me to use construction right Away I'm sure.

[twelve]

Fine. Whatever I'll post my move.

[Morgoth]

Taking it first so I could plop down a couple of GFs right away was always my planned opening move. It was the natural follow up after taking Primor.

[Tapper]

twelve, on 23 April 2021 - 04:11 PM, said:

Tapper regardless of your thought on the above proposal can I wait until my second turn to clear out Rigel?

Yes.

[Tapper]

twelve, on 23 April 2021 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tapper I'm now thinking of forgoing Tech. What are the chances of you using Warfare on your second turn? If you do I'd use my agent on you for yet another freed up system? Let me know your thoughts.

There are a few scenario's for Warfare. The ideal one is building in Bereg, getting Construction there, then popping Warfare to unlock the system again. Alternatively, the same without the ship-build in Ang, or popping a double move.

Anyway, I had already said that I'd take 2 Tacticals, so from my side there was no need for this change of plans, or asking for reconfirmation whether or not you had a second turn...

As for not being around: the little girl is under the weather and we're putting the house for sale, so my spare time is filled with small chores.

[Khellendros]

Imperial Historian, on 23 April 2021 - 04:30 PM, said:

Tapper/Khell/Twelve any interest in a free refresh? I'd accept 1TG when we neighbor or the agenda phase opens

Some interest yes, but I’d need someone to exchange commodities with.

[Khellendros]

Twelve, will you be refreshing and if so, would you like to exchange commodities?

[Tapper]

Khellendros, on 23 April 2021 - 05:15 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 23 April 2021 - 04:30 PM, said:

Tapper/Khell/Twelve any interest in a free refresh? I'd accept 1TG when we neighbor or the agenda phase opens

Some interest yes, but I’d need someone to exchange commodities with.

What he said.
if D'rek offers an equal swap, then sure - but she might not if the profit is yours.

I'd also be interested if you stall and play Trade when we neighbour so I can immediately trade the commodities to you and get 1 TG in return.

[D'rek]

Tapper, on 23 April 2021 - 05:15 PM, said:

twelve, on 23 April 2021 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tapper I'm now thinking of forgoing Tech. What are the chances of you using Warfare on your second turn? If you do I'd use my agent on you for yet another freed up system? Let me know your thoughts.

There are a few scenario's for Warfare. The ideal one is building in Bereg, getting Construction there, then popping Warfare to unlock the system again. Alternatively, the same without the ship-build in Ang, or popping a double move.

Anyway, I had already said that I'd take 2 Tacticals, so from my side there was no need for this change of plans, or asking for reconfirmation whether or not you had a second turn...

As for not being around: the little girl is under the weather and we're putting the house for sale, so my spare time is filled with small chores.

For sure, I don't expect anyone to be monitoring this thread regularly, we all have busy lives, especially those of you with kids and new fiancees and whatnot. All the more reason to negotiate stuff ahead of time when possible and put in provisionals instead

[Tapper]

D, on 23 April 2021 - 05:24 PM, said:

Tapper, on 23 April 2021 - 05:15 PM, said:

twelve, on 23 April 2021 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tapper I'm now thinking of forgoing Tech. What are the chances of you using Warfare on your second turn? If you do I'd use my agent on you for yet another freed up system? Let me know your thoughts.

There are a few scenario's for Warfare. The ideal one is building in Bereg, getting Construction there, then popping Warfare to unlock the system again. Alternatively, the same without the ship-build in Ang, or popping a double move.

Anyway, I had already said that I'd take 2 Tacticals, so from my side there was no need for this change of plans, or asking for reconfirmation whether or not you had a second turn...

As for not being around: the little girl is under the weather and we're putting the house for sale, so my spare time is filled with small chores.

For sure, I don't expect anyone to be monitoring this thread regularly, we all have busy lives, especially those of you with kids and new fiancees and whatnot. All the more reason to negotiate stuff ahead of time when possible and put in provisionals instead

Agreed, although me picking Warfare happened after my negotiations with Twelve.

[D'rek]

Tapper, on 23 April 2021 - 05:21 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 23 April 2021 - 05:15 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 23 April 2021 - 04:30 PM, said:

Tapper/Khell/Twelve any interest in a free refresh? I'd accept 1TG when we neighbor or the agenda phase opens

Some interest yes, but I’d need someone to exchange commodities with.

What he said.
if D'rek offers an equal swap, then sure - but she might not if the profit is yours.

I'd also be interested if you stall and play Trade when we neighbour so I can immediately trade the commodities to you and get 1 TG in return.

I will swap out your commodities for free, Tapper, if you {a} sell me your faction PN for 1 TG now so I can use it defensively in Loki/Ash/Ab and Twelve can't buy it when he invariably attacks there, plus {b} you don't swap out or trade for Twelve's commodities for him.

Khellendros, on 23 April 2021 - 05:17 PM, said:

Twelve, will you be refreshing and if so, would you like to exchange commodities?

Khell, I will upgrade your commodities for free if you promise not to upgrade/trade for Twelve's commodities (including using your agent).

[D'rek]

Basically, I'm moving into Loki/Ab/Ash this next turn, and Twelve knows it so he's prepping for attacking me there, too after he gets a warfare build, so I would rather upgrade you guys' commodities for free than see Twelve have even more resources to build ships to attack me with (he's probably going for his flagship either way), and I'd like to secure the Letnev PN to at least give myself a slim chance of winning the fight.

[Morgoth]

Man twelve cannot catch a break

[Morgoth]

I had originally planned for that position with the Sardakk. A little come at me sort of approach, but now I think maybe twelve did me a favour

[D'rek]

Doesn't help that Mahact are terrifying and also he won last game!