[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 18 April 2021 - 06:14 PM, said:

Sorry should have put that sentence in quote marks

""big brass balls"" ?

[Imperial Historian]

Tattersail_, on 18 April 2021 - 03:07 PM, said:

It wasn't but then you thought to get your big brass balls out instead of actually negotiating.

Also maybe this is a cultural thing, but negotiation usually involves offer and counteroffer I do applaud the table flip and walk away

[Tattersail_]

I'm still open to making a deal but at the moment it is still in your favour.

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 18 April 2021 - 06:01 PM, said:

@Morgoth - so IH wants me to use my agent on him and he sends me 3 TG, so he gets a free TG out of it. Would you instead like to let me use my agent on you and you send me the 3 TG from it? You don't get anything out of it and I get the same result either way, but this way your neighbour doesn't get a free TG.

IH, if Morgoth says no then yes we can do the Agent -> 4C -> 3TG for me, 1 TG for you arrangement you propose. I don't agree to anything past that like your suggestion that I convert your commodities for free - you're already getting a free TG, no need to be greedy.

Hmm, you are on the other side of the galaxy so I was willing to consider the cardinal sin of feeding the hacan, but seems you are getting greedy too , after all by your logic converting commodities isn't free so you are gaining a whole 3 TG rather than 1.

I will do the agent commodity deal with you, but if I'm not able to swap out my regular trade commodities I'm not doing any agent commodity conversions for you. So it's up to you if you want to help me with any trades to empty my commodities before you use your agent.

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Tattersail_, on 18 April 2021 - 06:23 PM, said:

I'm still open to making a deal but at the moment it is still in your favour.

Offer... Counteroffer?

I'm still not at all sure what your objection is. I considered your offer to be insultingly low, you consider mine to be insultingly high. Is there a mid point or are we having war suns at noon?

[Tattersail_]

So let's me get this straight..

In return for no contest on Hope's end you want more than one use of my racial?

Okay, how about two free uses and 1 TG from then on for as long as I hold Hope's End.

Plus the SftT swap.

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Tattersail_, on 18 April 2021 - 06:29 PM, said:

So let's me get this straight..

In return for no contest on Hope's end you want more than one use of my racial?

Okay, how about two free uses and 1 TG from then on for as long as I hold Hope's End.

Plus the SftT swap.

That's a lot of trust you are asking for, but you are usually good at keeping your deals when the game isn't on the line.

So I get your racial this turn and next turn for free (which means you'll have to move into tarmann so we can connect)

And then I can buy it for 1 TG each round and you won't sell/give it to someone else?

If we add into that neither of us builds up significant non-ground forces (ie multiple dreads/carriers) in the systems that are within two systems of each others homeworlds without prior agreement and we don't attack each other (apart from obviously game winning/extending moves)

Then I think we have a deal, well negotiated

Seriously though you should not let khell have cormund, he only gains benefits from non natural gravity rifts.

[Tattersail_]

Then we have a deal. I should be able to move aship into Tarman even if warfare is stalled

[Morgoth]

That's a lot of yelling on a week end! IH, how do you feel about an alliance exchange, mine is very good I'd say, and yours also seems very practical.

[Morgoth]

Tatts, not contesting your demand for Hope's end should garner med some goodwill I think, it is equally close to me after all. I hope we can retain good relations, which I'm sure you'll want anyways, having willingly invited the Kabal into your back yard and all.

[Morgoth]

D'rek, I have little interest in that deal. Either way you benefit and I do not. 1 less TG for IH is not worth getting involved, and also seems needlessly hostile for very little gain.

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 19 April 2021 - 05:43 AM, said:

Tatts, not contesting your demand for Hope's end should garner med some goodwill I think, it is equally close to me after all. I hope we can retain good relations, which I'm sure you'll want anyways, having willingly invited the Kabal into your back yard and all.

It does. What are you thinking?

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Morgoth, on 19 April 2021 - 05:41 AM, said:

That's a lot of yelling on a week end! IH, how do you feel about an alliance exchange, mine is very good I'd say, and yours also seems very practical.

I'm not against it, but I think mine is better than yours, moving a couple of extra infantry isn't going to help me much, whilst extra TG is always valuable (and I have a hacan buyer)

I guess it depends on your intentions for rex, I'll be moving towards it and like infantry from primor is essential to get your engine rolling the CT from rex are pretty important to get my engine rolling.

[Morgoth]

ah, using it for infantry is not as efficient no, but a mech or two though? That is a hefty weight slamming down on an unsuspecting planet.

[Morgoth]

Tattersail_, on 19 April 2021 - 06:02 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 19 April 2021 - 05:43 AM, said:

Tatts, not contesting your demand for Hope's end should garner med some goodwill I think, it is equally close to me after all. I hope we can retain good relations, which I'm sure you'll want anyways, having willingly invited the Kabal into your back yard and all.

It does. What are you thinking?

since you two have exchanged SFTT I don't have much to offer you directly, but I am happy to trade, and to communicate and find compromise and solutions as neighbours. Rather than stumbling into warfare later on and all that.

[Tapper]

I would be open to exchange SftTs and/or an Alliance, Morgoth.

[Morgoth]

Yes, I suppose we will become neighbours soon enough. I am positive to an exchange, tappsytaps.

[Morgoth]

IH, I have no particular interest in MR, outside of the normal "hey, MR is available" kind of interest. It doesn't have an important place in my long term strategy, so I will not fight you for it if that's your goal.

[Morgoth]

We're waiting for Khell, right?

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Morgoth, on 19 April 2021 - 06:11 AM, said:

ah, using it for infantry is not as efficient no, but a mech or two though? That is a hefty weight slamming down on an unsuspecting planet.

I'm not disputing that it's good, but mine is probably going to net you 10+ TG over the course of the game (even more if a CT spending PO comes up), so I do think it's better.

I'm not sure how much I'd be able to expand as well without blocking you off. I'm quite happy to let you expand via everra into the juicy warzone that is the area around twelve's homeworld, and even sell you my agent but I do need Rex.

I don't particularly want to get into any conflict with you, so if you agree to leave me Rex a deal can be done with an alliance swap. I think I've been pretty accomodating about primor.