[Imperial Historian]

I do have 4 infantry there.

[Tattersail_]

Imperial Historian, on 19 November 2020 - 09:10 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 November 2020 - 09:08 PM, said:

IH what would you pay me not to use Diplomacy on Lazar Sakalug?

If you want to do that I can't stop you, but if you want me to spend my game fucking with you rather than d'rek go right ahead.

I just don't want to be pillaged everytime. Is promise of protection off the table for me?

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 19 November 2020 - 09:26 PM, said:

If you guys start actively trying to eliminate me at this stage of the game, I'm quite happy to give blend your promise for protection d'rek and just start activating his systems to trigger eres.

That's fair.

I guess then the game sort of becomes 3-vs-JolNarZilla

[Tattersail_]

D, on 19 November 2020 - 09:25 PM, said:

So yeah, I don't think I really need it (and I kinda get the sense you want to do it anyway?), but how about this -> I will agree not to pillage you this entire round for you diplo'ing Lazar/Sakulag, but since I'm not pillaging you at all I'd also like you to turn my 2 commodities into trade goods. Would that be fair?

I would do your commodities anyway if you weren't pillaging me.

I'll see what IH says

[Blend]

I'd be pretty disappointed if IH gave you Drek's racial given we already have a deal for me to give him TGs for it.

[Imperial Historian]

Tattersail_, on 19 November 2020 - 09:30 PM, said:

D, on 19 November 2020 - 09:25 PM, said:

So yeah, I don't think I really need it (and I kinda get the sense you want to do it anyway?), but how about this -> I will agree not to pillage you this entire round for you diplo'ing Lazar/Sakulag, but since I'm not pillaging you at all I'd also like you to turn my 2 commodities into trade goods. Would that be fair?

I would do your commodities anyway if you weren't pillaging me.

I'll see what IH says

If I give you anything d'rek just pillages it.

I'm just going to be fucking about trying to score what points I can. I was going to focus the bad stuff I can do on d'rek, if you want to turn that focus onto you go ahead.

Once I'm unable to do anything worthwhile I'll just be helping my allies score point and end the game at the moment that's just blend, I don't really want to do that but if you force me too I will.

[Imperial Historian]

Tattersail_, on 19 November 2020 - 09:29 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 19 November 2020 - 09:10 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 November 2020 - 09:08 PM, said:

IH what would you pay me not to use Diplomacy on Lazar Sakalug?

If you want to do that I can't stop you, but if you want me to spend my game fucking with you rather than d'rek go right ahead.

I just don't want to be pillaged everytime. Is promise of protection off the table for me?

I'm not going to be bullied into giving up promise of protection it's not a meta that ends well for me in future games.

If you'd actually made an offer that beat what blend could I'd consider it, but I don't think you can.

[Tattersail_]

In every game we've played when you've had the upper hand you've fleeced me. One game you had all my PNs.

It's your game right now, either give me Dreks Racial whilst I'm on 2 tg and you'll get to move on your turn. She cannot pillage that.

I'll diplo Thibah instead.

[Imperial Historian]

I never fleeced you I made deals in my favour and made sure I did just enough to keep you in the game as a thorn in my opponents side. If I recall the game I had all your PNs was the game where I gave you enough to stay in the game whilst d'rek was taking all your stuff.

Fair enough go right ahead, my aggressive actions will now be focused on you.

What a shame.

[Tattersail_]

Okay. Fair enough. Dreks offering not to pillage me so I'll be accepting her deal. You were offering me the racial to vote elsewhere. The only way you're not accepting now is greed. LWD.

[Imperial Historian]

I was offering you the racial for something I wanted you could give me. That's different from trading it away because of a threat.

I guarantee this is going to cost you more than you gain.

[Imperial Historian]

Blend since people are playing hardball if you want to take d'reks racial on your turn feel free. I trust you to keep your word and pay me what you have said you will when you can, I would of course want it to be as mentax efficient as possible, and would appreciate it being within this round so I can use it to score.

[Blend]

Imperial Historian, on 19 November 2020 - 10:08 PM, said:

Blend since people are playing hardball if you want to take d'reks racial on your turn feel free. I trust you to keep your word and pay me what you have said you will when you can, I would of course want it to be as mentax efficient as possible, and would appreciate it being within this round so I can use it to score.

I can give you 1TG right now, which would leave you at 2TGs, so Mentax free, then when you ERes one of my systems, I can throw another 4 your way, though that will get Mentaxed, and I'd still owe you 1 and my Research Agreement next round (assuming someone takes Tech).

Of course, if someone activates another of the systems I'm in, I can send the other TG your way.

[Blend]

Blend, on 19 November 2020 - 10:25 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 19 November 2020 - 10:08 PM, said:

Blend since people are playing hardball if you want to take d'reks racial on your turn feel free. I trust you to keep your word and pay me what you have said you will when you can, I would of course want it to be as mentax efficient as possible, and would appreciate it being within this round so I can use it to score.

I can give you 1TG right now, which would leave you at 2TGs, so Mentax free, then when you ERes one of my systems, I can throw another 4 your way, though that will get Mentaxed, and I'd still owe you 1 and my Research Agreement next round (assuming someone takes Tech).

Of course, if someone activates another of the systems I'm in, I can send the other TG your way.

Or I can wait until I have 5TGs in my hand after this turn and send all 5 your way at once so there's only one Mentax.

[Blend]

Hmmm, or I can give you my 4 commodities and 1 TG this turn in exchange for the PN - you'd end up getting Mentaxed, and we can figure out when to get you the last TG once I have it in my hand?

[Imperial Historian]

Blend, on 19 November 2020 - 10:25 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 19 November 2020 - 10:08 PM, said:

Blend since people are playing hardball if you want to take d'reks racial on your turn feel free. I trust you to keep your word and pay me what you have said you will when you can, I would of course want it to be as mentax efficient as possible, and would appreciate it being within this round so I can use it to score.

I can give you 1TG right now, which would leave you at 2TGs, so Mentax free, then when you ERes one of my systems, I can throw another 4 your way, though that will get Mentaxed, and I'd still owe you 1 and my Research Agreement next round (assuming someone takes Tech).

Of course, if someone activates another of the systems I'm in, I can send the other TG your way.

I'd rather you waited until you had all 6 and gave me them in one lot. I don't really want to be taxed for getting your racial too.

If you give me 1 I can start washing your commodities when you are mentax free.

If I start activating more of your systems would you give me some of the tgs you gain?

[Tattersail_]

You're starting to sound sour now IH.

[Blend]

I dont mind waiting until I have all 6, but that wont happen until someone washes my commodities and I get an ERes activation.

[Blend]

Actually, you know what we could do is I could give you my commodities and TGs right now - that would get you to 5TGs from me this round without being Mentaxed as you would still have Drek's racial - then you give me Drek's racial on your turn, which is next anyway, ERes one of my systems, and I'll throw 2 TGs your way so that it covers the Mentax. How's that sound?

[Imperial Historian]

Tattersail_, on 19 November 2020 - 10:33 PM, said:

You're starting to sound sour now IH.

Tatts I'm playing logically. My goal for the game is to get points. Once I can't do that I just want to end the game, and establish that the cost of trying to eliminate me is not worth it so anyone who wants to do it in future games thinks twice.

Blend offers me a chance of getting back in the game as he can convert what I have a lot of CTs, into TGs, tech and units which I don't, and has a vested interest in keeping me in the game.

It's not personal. If you think this will help you win, go for it. I think it's a mistake but I'm not you. If I was you I'd have tried to make friends with me and turned me on the others.

Now I'll do my level best to stop you profiting from this and you'll either have to burn a sabotage or you won't be able to spend your planets, and who knows what you'll draw next.

That said I honestly applaud you for taking the risk to blow up my ships at rex, and I didn't see the diplomacy move coming. Maybe you'll turn this round, but I don't see how.