[Imperial Historian]

 Blend, on 19 November 2020 - 10:43 PM, said:

Actually, you know what we could do is I could give you my commodities and TGs right now - that would get you to 5TGs from me this round without being Mentaxed as you would still have Drek's racial - then you give me Drek's racial on your turn, which is next anyway, ERes one of my systems, and I'll throw 2 TGs your way so that it covers the Mentax. How's that sound?

Dreks racial doesn't work like that. You have to play it as an action. D'rek can still pillage me at will.

[D'rek]

 Tattersail_, on 19 November 2020 - 09:30 PM, said:

 D, on 19 November 2020 - 09:25 PM, said:

So yeah, I don't think I really need it (and I kinda get the sense you want to do it anyway?), but how about this -> I will agree not to pillage you this entire round for you diplo'ing Lazar/Sakulag, but since I'm not pillaging you at all I'd also like you to turn my 2 commodities into trade goods. Would that be fair?

I would do your commodities anyway if you weren't pillaging me.

Okay, sounds good!

[Blend]

 Imperial Historian, on 19 November 2020 - 10:52 PM, said:

 Blend, on 19 November 2020 - 10:43 PM, said:

Actually, you know what we could do is I could give you my commodities and TGs right now - that would get you to 5TGs from me this round without being Mentaxed as you would still have Drek's racial - then you give me Drek's racial on your turn, which is next anyway, ERes one of my systems, and I'll throw 2 TGs your way so that it covers the Mentax. How's that sound?

Dreks racial doesn't work like that. You have to play it as an action. D'rek can still pillage me at will.

Ah yes, I see...

OKay, so you give me the racial this turn with a promise that you'll get your 6TGs as soon as I can afford to give them to you and my Research Agreement next round once it's available (assuming Drek keeps her end of the deal) and hopefully when you can't be pillaged?

This post has been edited by Blend: 19 November 2020 - 11:04 PM

[Imperial Historian]

 Imperial Historian, on 19 November 2020 - 10:52 PM, said:

 Blend, on 19 November 2020 - 10:43 PM, said:

Actually, you know what we could do is I could give you my commodities and TGs right now - that would get you to 5TGs from me this round without being Mentaxed as you would still have Drek's racial - then you give me Drek's racial on your turn, which is next anyway, ERes one of my systems, and I'll throw 2 TGs your way so that it covers the Mentax. How's that sound?

Dreks racial doesn't work like that. You have to play it as an action. D'rek can still pillage me at will.

I'm not in a hurry. I can score this round with CTs so you can give them to me whenever, in the agenda phase if you want. I'll wash your commodities once you have protection or take them now if you don't want to sit on commodities because of that action card, would rather not give commodities to d'rek for no reason but I'm reliant on your good will it seems.

If I activate more of your systems can we operate on the 3 for me 1 for you established with d'rek? Would I get a discount if I activated a lot?

[Imperial Historian]

 Blend, on 19 November 2020 - 11:02 PM, said:

 Imperial Historian, on 19 November 2020 - 10:52 PM, said:

 Blend, on 19 November 2020 - 10:43 PM, said:

Actually, you know what we could do is I could give you my commodities and TGs right now - that would get you to 5TGs from me this round without being Mentaxed as you would still have Drek's racial - then you give me Drek's racial on your turn, which is next anyway, ERes one of my systems, and I'll throw 2 TGs your way so that it covers the Mentax. How's that sound?

Dreks racial doesn't work like that. You have to play it as an action. D'rek can still pillage me at will.

Ah yes, I see...

OKay, so you give me the racial this turn with a promise that you'll get your 6TGs as soon as I can afford to give them to you and my Research Agreement next round once it's available (assuming Drek keeps her end of the deal) and hopefully when you can't be pillaged?

Works for me

[Blend]

 Imperial Historian, on 19 November 2020 - 11:09 PM, said:

 Imperial Historian, on 19 November 2020 - 10:52 PM, said:

 Blend, on 19 November 2020 - 10:43 PM, said:

Actually, you know what we could do is I could give you my commodities and TGs right now - that would get you to 5TGs from me this round without being Mentaxed as you would still have Drek's racial - then you give me Drek's racial on your turn, which is next anyway, ERes one of my systems, and I'll throw 2 TGs your way so that it covers the Mentax. How's that sound?

Dreks racial doesn't work like that. You have to play it as an action. D'rek can still pillage me at will.

I'm not in a hurry. I can score this round with CTs so you can give them to me whenever, in the agenda phase if you want. I'll wash your commodities once you have protection or take them now if you don't want to sit on commodities because of that action card, would rather not give commodities to d'rek for no reason but I'm reliant on your good will it seems.

If I activate more of your systems can we operate on the 3 for me 1 for you established with d'rek? Would I get a discount if I activated a lot?

I think the first activation should be 2:2 given you need me to do it for you to get the TGs - so if you activate one of my systems, I'll owe you 8TGs instead of 6, which I'll pay you on the turn following that.

I think it will be best if we agree on a turn by turn basis on the trade ratio - I don't want to make a promise I won't want to keep later if you're threatening to win the game. I want to help you get back on your feet, but not at the expense of my own game.

[Imperial Historian]

Hah you think far too highly of my abilities I'm flattered.

I won't do it 2:2, the others will definitely eliminate me if I do.

On top of our previous deal I'll wash commodities for you as required, and activate an additional 3 of your systems for 8TG. You give me them with the other 6 in one transaction. That's 4 tg to you out of 12 gained, plus refreshed commodities and you'll help protect your sftt investment.

[Blend]

 Imperial Historian, on 19 November 2020 - 11:35 PM, said:

Hah you think far too highly of my abilities I'm flattered.

I won't do it 2:2, the others will definitely eliminate me if I do.

On top of our previous deal I'll wash commodities for you as required, and activate an additional 3 of your systems for 8TG. You give me them with the other 6 in one transaction. That's 4 tg to you out of 12 gained, plus refreshed commodities and you'll help protect your sftt investment.

The thing is if you wash my commodities, Drek gets a free TG, then another when I give you other TGs.

How about this - you give me your commodities and activate a planet on your next turn. I would gain 4 TGs from your commodities, and 4 from ERes. Then on my turn I give you 5TGs and 4 Commodities. You only get pillaged for 1, so you end up with 8 and I end up with 3. That means I pay the 6 I owe you plus 3 for activating a system and get commodity washed with you only getting pillaged once.

After that, we can discuss further activations as they come.

[twelve]

 Blend, on 20 November 2020 - 12:21 AM, said:

 Imperial Historian, on 19 November 2020 - 11:35 PM, said:

Hah you think far too highly of my abilities I'm flattered.

I won't do it 2:2, the others will definitely eliminate me if I do.

On top of our previous deal I'll wash commodities for you as required, and activate an additional 3 of your systems for 8TG. You give me them with the other 6 in one transaction. That's 4 tg to you out of 12 gained, plus refreshed commodities and you'll help protect your sftt investment.

The thing is if you wash my commodities, Drek gets a free TG, then another when I give you other TGs.

How about this - you give me your commodities and activate a planet on your next turn. I would gain 4 TGs from your commodities, and 4 from ERes. Then on my turn I give you 5TGs and 4 Commodities. You only get pillaged for 1, so you end up with 8 and I end up with 3. That means I pay the 6 I owe you plus 3 for activating a system and get commodity washed with you only getting pillaged once.

After that, we can discuss further activations as they come.

He has no commodities. I had his trade agreement pn and used it to gain 3 additional trade goods.

[Blend]

 twelve, on 20 November 2020 - 12:54 AM, said:

 Blend, on 20 November 2020 - 12:21 AM, said:

 Imperial Historian, on 19 November 2020 - 11:35 PM, said:

Hah you think far too highly of my abilities I'm flattered.

I won't do it 2:2, the others will definitely eliminate me if I do.

On top of our previous deal I'll wash commodities for you as required, and activate an additional 3 of your systems for 8TG. You give me them with the other 6 in one transaction. That's 4 tg to you out of 12 gained, plus refreshed commodities and you'll help protect your sftt investment.

The thing is if you wash my commodities, Drek gets a free TG, then another when I give you other TGs.

How about this - you give me your commodities and activate a planet on your next turn. I would gain 4 TGs from your commodities, and 4 from ERes. Then on my turn I give you 5TGs and 4 Commodities. You only get pillaged for 1, so you end up with 8 and I end up with 3. That means I pay the 6 I owe you plus 3 for activating a system and get commodity washed with you only getting pillaged once.

After that, we can discuss further activations as they come.

He has no commodities. I had his trade agreement pn and used it to gain 3 additional trade goods.

Oh yeah! LoL!

IH how you gonna wash my commodities if you have none? LoL

[Imperial Historian]

I'll swap out your commodities for TG over multiple turns. Making sure I'm always at less than 3tg.

Ie on your turn you give me 2 commodities, i give you a tg. On my turn i give you 2 tg, you give me 2 commodities. On your next turn I give you 2tg.

You only do one transaction with me when I have more than 2tg.

I'll agree to do this anytime you have commodities and I'm still in the game.

[Imperial Historian]

And I'm only making a deal for multiple activations if it's all part of the same trade (otherwise it's not worth it)

So it's either we do our original deal where I activate you once and you give me 6TG.

Or I activate you 4 times and you give me 15tg. This is net 4tg more to you for doing nothing. And because your commodities are being washed and you know I'm doing these activations you can spend some of these TG this turn.

In either deal d'rek only gets 1 tg. And if I get eliminated before you can give me those TG they are yours to keep. Honestly that's an incredible deal for you, if you don't want to do it that's fine and let's do option 1 on my next turn.

[Tattersail_]

Twelve are you planning onto moving in Rex this turn? What are you going to do about Quann? I don't want to get in your way.

Good move with the spacedock IH you altered my plans. I was going to move ships there and build. Now they have to find another home.

[Blend]

 Imperial Historian, on 20 November 2020 - 07:46 AM, said:

And I'm only making a deal for multiple activations if it's all part of the same trade (otherwise it's not worth it)

So it's either we do our original deal where I activate you once and you give me 6TG.

Or I activate you 4 times and you give me 15tg. This is net 4tg more to you for doing nothing. And because your commodities are being washed and you know I'm doing these activations you can spend some of these TG this turn.

In either deal d'rek only gets 1 tg. And if I get eliminated before you can give me those TG they are yours to keep. Honestly that's an incredible deal for you, if you don't want to do it that's fine and let's do option 1 on my next turn.

You keep saying that I get TGs for doing nothing, and while you're right that I'm not spending any of my own CTs on doing it or anything like that, I would still be doing you a pretty big favour.

With 15TGs, as long as you stayed in the game, you would be able to score at least 2 more VPs without doing anything else. 3 if you count the tokens VP, which you'd be able to score by just doing nothing in a round. That would likely give you enough to keep up in VPs while getting enough plastic back on the board to become a threat to win again.

I think that you should offer me a bit more than the bare minimum to make this deal more palatable.

[Imperial Historian]

 Blend, on 20 November 2020 - 01:38 PM, said:

 Imperial Historian, on 20 November 2020 - 07:46 AM, said:

And I'm only making a deal for multiple activations if it's all part of the same trade (otherwise it's not worth it)

So it's either we do our original deal where I activate you once and you give me 6TG.

Or I activate you 4 times and you give me 15tg. This is net 4tg more to you for doing nothing. And because your commodities are being washed and you know I'm doing these activations you can spend some of these TG this turn.

In either deal d'rek only gets 1 tg. And if I get eliminated before you can give me those TG they are yours to keep. Honestly that's an incredible deal for you, if you don't want to do it that's fine and let's do option 1 on my next turn.

You keep saying that I get TGs for doing nothing, and while you're right that I'm not spending any of my own CTs on doing it or anything like that, I would still be doing you a pretty big favour.

With 15TGs, as long as you stayed in the game, you would be able to score at least 2 more VPs without doing anything else. 3 if you count the tokens VP, which you'd be able to score by just doing nothing in a round. That would likely give you enough to keep up in VPs while getting enough plastic back on the board to become a threat to win again.

I think that you should offer me a bit more than the bare minimum to make this deal more palatable.

Okay what do you want? Bear in mind the more I give you the higher the likelihood d'rek and tatts invest the resources to remove me from the game and you lose a point and these bonus TGs.

I think I'm offering you a good deal, but I'm only going to do this if I think it's worth it for me too. 3CTs for effectively 7TG is already pretty unpalatable for me.

[Imperial Historian]

Since we haven't managed to agree on a larger trade I've activated your system and put in my post to recieve 6TG.

[Blend]

Well, you know, how about for four activations I instead pay you 14TGs? I only ever asked for one additional TG in all of this.

[Blend]

Well that's a shame.

[Blend]

You legit gave me 3 minutes to answer your question - I hadn't even seen your next post before I posted my reply.

[twelve]

 Tattersail_, on 20 November 2020 - 07:51 AM, said:

Twelve are you planning onto moving in Rex this turn? What are you going to do about Quann? I don't want to get in your way.

Good move with the spacedock IH you altered my plans. I was going to move ships there and build. Now they have to find another home.

I'm tapped. I would like Meer back though next round. If you want Rex clear out there and Take it.