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Posted 21 May 2020 - 12:57 PM

Yes, it exists. It has always existed in rough cut form (though a tonne of people claimed that it didn't). I've gone into this before, but Snyder was already well into Post-Production when he had to walk away from it and Whedon/WB chose to reshoot 90% of it.

And then late last year you saw almost the entire cast tweeting out "ReleaseTheSnyderCut...and people wondered about it. And Snyder tweeted out a photo of the canisters for the rough cut.

So I kind of knew this was coming, but it's nice to see it come to fruition...

Here is the livestream Snyder did for a MoS re-watch (you can skip to the end) where he reveals the poster for the Cut/release date on HBO Max at the end to a bunch of people on Zoom (including Cavill who coaxes Snyder to make the reveal) and it sounds like HBO may split it into 4 hour long segments like a miniseries since it will be so long.



At any rate, as someone who liked MoS and BvS (Ultimate Cut), I'm really interested in seeing what he intended for this flick...with stuff like Green Lantern and Darkseid tease back in...it's going to be vastly different from what Whedon reshot and WB released. According to DOP Fabian Wagner a bare fraction of the scenes he shot made it into the final film as Whedon released it, and we know the score by Junkie XL was completed and thrown away to be redone completely by Elfman. All that's really left is the FX shots, and editing/finishing. As such, a 2021 release date accommodates that (and employs people who are apparently running out of work to do from home during COVID 19) and from what I heard a 20-30Mil price tag that WB is ponying up for this (adding in that it's completely different people in charge now which is why this is happening).

Also, was anyone else aware that Harry Lennix's character was always intended to be, and IS Martian Manhunter? Apparently that reveal is in the Snyder Cut, along with the trashed GL stuff.

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Posted 21 May 2020 - 01:54 PM

Don't care about this dumb shit, personally, except it probably means others will follow suit, which means we will see the butthole cut of the Cats movie eventually. And the day that happens, the world will be remade anew.
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Posted 21 May 2020 - 02:10 PM

Lennix as the Martian Manhunter was rumored to the point of near certainty.

I will watch this eventually, cant say I expect it to elevate the movie massively.
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Posted 21 May 2020 - 03:00 PM

I've been thinking for a while with streaming being a big thing that it would be fun if studios released all the unused footage for their movies.

You sometimes hear directors claim that their first cut of a two hour film was actually eight or ten hours long. Assuming it's not all just the same scene shot from different angles, why not just release it for the internet fans to have fun with. People love extended cuts and extra content.

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Posted 21 May 2020 - 03:03 PM

View PostAbyss, on 21 May 2020 - 02:10 PM, said:

Lennix as the Martian Manhunter was rumored to the point of near certainty.


It's crazy, I'd never heard about it. That said, it makes Lennix's character actions in MoS especially make a tonne more sense. I just thought he was a nastier wild card military dude...but knowing he's Jon Jonz trying to keep things in check as another alien with powers arrived on his turf...I get it.

View PostAbyss, on 21 May 2020 - 02:10 PM, said:

I will watch this eventually, cant say I expect it to elevate the movie massively.


Honestly, I keep seeing the notion that a directors cut like this can't fix it...but really if the percentage of what Whedon/WB threw up on the screen was 3/4 their own stuff from the weeks and weeks of reshoots and 80pages of script rewrites, then Snyder's cut is 3/4's brand new, that's kind of unprecedented to be honest. It will be a completely different movie.

Again, I should caution that MoS is my fave Superman movie of all time (yes, I know how the approach is not normal canon-wise), and the Ultimate Cut of BvS makes that movie work for me hardcore...so in the end, I feel like whatever Snyder gives us will be in line with those things I already enjoy.

Plus, a new Junkie XL score? Bring it.

I'm also here for the people who swore up and down that this shit simply didn't "exist". Even when Snyder showed them photographic proof they denied it. I've seen a few people on twitter capitulate that they were wrong about it existing and being on the way.

More than anything though, Henry is excited to see this come out (he is on the live stream), and I think he deserves to see it.

And let's remember that the moustache stuff...was Whedon's fault. He's the one who reshot that scene requiring Henry's CGI abortion stache.

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Posted 21 May 2020 - 09:36 PM

Theres a thread on Justice League Snyder cut but there isn't one on Justice League Dark:apokolips war?

what is this nonsense. DC's live actions movie with a few exceptions are garbage. The animated stuff though has been top notch.

Latest animated movie... my goodness the gore... i'd never seen so much blood in a DC cartoon.
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Posted 22 May 2020 - 01:08 AM

Disagree. MOS and BVS ultimate cut are spectacular.

I also disagree that they animated offerings are “top notch”. They are largely “fine”...but every single one is chasing that BATMAN:TAS high...and can’t quite get there...and the final product suffers as a result. Apokolips War only works because it’s an ensemble piece where you get to go “oh, that’s so and so joining the fight”. It ain’t like ppl like Shazam and Constantine are animated DC staples like the trinity. My main problem with the animated stuff is they can’t seem to nail down a voice cast that matches each time. Is it Jason O’Mara as Batman this time or Kevin Conroy....is it Tim Daly, Alan Tudyk or Jerry O’Connel as Superman this outing? It’s messy.

But hey, go make a thread if you think it’s discussion worthy...

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Posted 22 May 2020 - 04:34 AM

Laughing at the SnyderCutists who are angry because HBO is recutting, editing, and whatever, not giving them the pure raw Cut they demanded.
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Posted 22 May 2020 - 05:10 AM

Most animated DC movies I've watched have left me cold. They're cool enough in the sense that as a comic book kid I always enjoy animated superhero fights but they often seem like pale immitations.

Not quite mature or well written enough for an adult audience but not really suitable for most kids either.
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Posted 22 May 2020 - 10:09 AM

View PostAptorian, on 22 May 2020 - 05:10 AM, said:

Most animated DC movies I've watched have left me cold. They're cool enough in the sense that as a comic book kid I always enjoy animated superhero fights but they often seem like pale immitations.

Not quite mature or well written enough for an adult audience but not really suitable for most kids either.


Indeed. Very much how I feel when I watch them. There is nothing elevated about them. They just kind of are.
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Posted 22 May 2020 - 10:19 AM

View PostAbyss, on 22 May 2020 - 04:34 AM, said:

Laughing at the SnyderCutists who are angry because HBO is recutting, editing, and whatever, not giving them the pure raw Cut they demanded.


To be fair, saying you're releasing the long-desired Snyder Cut ... and then cutting it ... sort of misses the point a bit, surely?

https://www.theguard...-league-hbo-max :rofl:
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Posted 22 May 2020 - 10:20 AM

I mean zach and his editors will be editing it...so what are they mad at?
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Posted 22 May 2020 - 10:37 AM

So it will be a Director's Cut of a Director's Cut ... ?
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Posted 22 May 2020 - 11:14 AM

View PostTsundoku, on 22 May 2020 - 10:37 AM, said:

So it will be a Director's Cut of a Director's Cut ... ?


No. JUSTICE LEAGUE as it was released in theatres was 75-90% Joss Whedon. Zack Snyder was well into Post-Production (Principle Photography took place April - Oct 2016) when his daughter died and WB took that as their "out" and Brought in Whedon. Whedon proceeded (either by instruction or by his own ideas) then rewrote some 80 pages of the script. It was so extensive that the Screenwriters guild allowed Whedon a writing credit (for this to happen, the film would have to look completely different from what it had been before he touched it; this happened with Tony Gilroy getting that credit on ROGUE ONE). In July 2017 Whedon shot two months of new footage, including the need for the infamous moustache CGI (because Henry had moved onto MI:6). So 80 script pages, and 60 days of filming. Add in the fact that Junkie XL had finished the score under Snyder but it was ditched completely so Whedon could bring in Danny Elfman who rewrote it (and delivered a lacklustre score). DOP for Snyder's version was Fabian Wagner (the same guy who shot The Battle Of The Bastards for GOT) and he recently did a Q&A about another film he was on and people asked him about JL, and he swears that what ended up on the screen in JL was about a fraction of what he shot with Zack.

TL:DR JUSTICE LEAGUE may have still had Zack's name on it, but it's not his film, intended or otherwise.

So it will be a Directors Intended Cut, and not some bastard abomination of two completely different directors, one of whom reshot and rewrote 3/4 of it.

EDIT: Least of all the deliverance on a number of plot points from BvS that were never answered in Whedon's version. There's little tiny things in BvS that pay off in the Snyder Cut...like the fact that the film Martha and Thomas Wayne took Bruce to the night they were shot was 1981's EXCALIBUR...a film about King Arthur...and JL had scenes of King Arthur finding a mother box on earth in the deep past, or revealing Harry Lennix character as Martian Manhunter, or reference to the Green Lanterns, and especially Darkseid being the shadow behind Steppenwolf.

I think Darkseid especially is something that never should have been cut. It gives credence to everything. Hell, the whole Knightmare sequence and Future Flash's "warning" that fuels Bruce's drive to kill Superman both come from a future that they need to avoid. The Darkseid future. From what I understand there was to be another Knightmare sequence in JL to expand upon that worldbuilding.

JL also ignores the whole raison d'etre of Superman's rebirth being entered around Lois, as notioned in the Flash warning from BvS that Lois is the key. Removing that from JL just makes the Superman resurrection too weightless. All the Star Labs stuff was dropped to Cyborg just appears out of nowhere.

And apparently the entire third act is 100% different...including Steppenwolfs design...he was never intended to be a big humanoid dude with a helmet on...rather a much more alien-looking thing.

EDIT 2: I also find it interesting that everyone involved in the film is chuffed about this finally getting a release, every last actor and crew person is excited....but at sites like io9, screen junkies, collider and other places the #ReleaseTheSnyderCut movement has been met with not only utter disdain, but with ridicule and accusations of fanboying and trolling...think about that for a second. The filmmaker and cast and crew of the originally intended film want to see it released, and it's STILL being treated with derision. Go read any of those sites and their articles about this news and even the disdain dripping through the page while being a LITTLE bit accommodating about it...it's stunning to see various examples of the media not being able to eat any crow about stuff like this. You will get as many clicks if you say "Yeah. we were wrong" as you will by saying "Well, you trolls got what you wanted, maybe now you'll shut up about it"...I think someone made a supercut on YT showing all the instances of people swearing that Snyder never had a "cut" and it doesn't exist...which was silly on the face of the fact that he did have a cut. Said he did, and screened it for WB before counting post-production. Was it finished? Nope. But it was still a rough cut.

Sorry, I know I'm chatty about this, but it's exciting that all the time later we will finally see this film.

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Posted 22 May 2020 - 04:21 PM

No doubt it will be different. Jury is out on 'better'. Snyder made WATCHMEN and 300 (I realize these are divisive, but fukit, I liked them), but he also made SUCKER PUNCH.
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Posted 22 May 2020 - 04:34 PM

I liked Sucker Punch because it had a tiny girl fighting a gigantic samurai wielding a gatlin gun. That was worth sitting through the bad story.
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Posted 22 May 2020 - 04:40 PM

View PostAbyss, on 22 May 2020 - 04:21 PM, said:

No doubt it will be different. Jury is out on 'better'. Snyder made WATCHMEN and 300 (I realize these are divisive, but fukit, I liked them), but he also made SUCKER PUNCH.


It's the only film of his I haven't seen, but the rest of his repertoire, I'm largely down with, so even if I didn't like it, he'd be up 6 films I enjoyed.
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Posted 22 May 2020 - 07:35 PM

Sucker Punch is a badly executed, greyishly pretty mess. I got the general ideas he and the rest of the movie team were going for, but the actual execution of the writing/story structures left the characters in a weird self aware of exploitation yet unable to do anything about it zone that doesn't work.

Also, if one structures a movie around a life changing dance - ya gotta show the dance at some point instead of cutting away from it every time.
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Posted 22 May 2020 - 09:22 PM

View Postamphibian, on 22 May 2020 - 07:35 PM, said:

Sucker Punch is a badly executed, greyishly pretty mess. I got the general ideas he and the rest of the movie team were going for, but the actual execution of the writing/story structures left the characters in a weird self aware of exploitation yet unable to do anything about it zone that doesn't work.

Also, if one structures a movie around a life changing dance - ya gotta show the dance at some point instead of cutting away from it every time.


It just always seemed like a fever dream bit of a movie with pop culture stuff rammed in...and that simply never appealed to me as a movie subject.
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Posted 23 May 2020 - 12:02 PM

Surely the Snyder cut will be exactly the same but in slow motion?
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