[Sheltatha Lore]

I've read the entire day 1 and day 2 again. And taken notes.
Now knowing two scum CFs ...it's very interesting reading.

I have a FUCK LOAD of notes and sippets... Im trying to think if I should post it all. or just snippets.
It's mainly looking at both Tennes and Gait. And their interactions with each other...(along with their interactions with Kalse and Thyr.)


There is LOADS of things that make either one look scummy as fuck AND lots of things that make them look inno.

I can only conclude that at least one of them could very well be scum.
And whoever that is...has done some very good distancing to cover their tracks as best as they can.


I'm even starting to think that maybe they are BOTH scum...and this fight is fake and set up behind the scenes between them.

I need a break.

[Osseric]

Here is a do not mod kill me post. I'll catch up asap.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 3. 16 hours 40 minutes remaining remaining.

13 people left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Hanas, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Venesara.

1 vote Gait; Tennes
2 votes Tennes; Gait, Ruse

Players not voted; Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Hanas, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Sheltatha Lore, Venesara.

[Hanas]

Ruse with another drive-by?

Vote Ruse

(yes, it's a drive-by from me too

I'll be around for a little before timeout again if anyone is around. I may even get time to re-read then

[Barghast]

Prazec Goul, on 19 May 2020 - 04:05 PM, said:

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:50 PM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 19 May 2020 - 03:45 PM, said:

Gait is doing a fair bit of scrambling here.

I definately was. That case threw me for a six.

Do you think it makes sense?

I mean maybe i'm biased here but does it hold water with you?

It’s early in the day and I am withholding judgment atm. Kalse’s cf makes me want to look at all of his interactions for myself. I don’t think he was under any heat when he PId you all, so there is a decent chance that he thought he could steer the thread away from a teammate.

That’s all speculation of course, so I’d like to look at other things.

As always

Either catching up, wanting to look at other things, but always withholding judgement until it's just before eod where Prazec can get away with voting the likeliest lynch with a one liner reason to support his vote

Recently he has upped his post count somewhat but he's still never really saying anything

He has exactly 2 posts with more than 3 lines, and one of them is really only disguising itself as such

vote Prazec

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 3. 13 hours 10 minutes remaining remaining.

13 people left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Hanas, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Venesara.

1 vote Gait; Tennes
2 votes Tennes; Gait, Ruse
1 vote Ruse; Hanas
1 vote Prazec; Barghast

Players not voted; Aranatha, Fanderay, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Sheltatha Lore, Venesara.

[Barghast]

Here's the trains

Path-Shaper, on 13 May 2020 - 09:18 PM, said:

It is day 1. 0 hours remaining.

21 people left alive; Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Merrid, Okaros, Okral Lom, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Skintick, Tennes, Thyr, Venesara. 11 votes to lynch.

11 votes Okral Lom; Rikkter, Skintick, Kalse, Gait, Tennes, Fanderay, Aranatha, Ruse, Jalan, Prazec Goul, Merrid
1 vote Osseric; Hanas
1 vote Merrid; Okral Lom
1 vote Thyrllan; Barghast

Players not voted; Gamelon, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Sheltatha Lore, Thyr, Venesara.

Okral Lom is dead. They were Dunsparrow and town.

Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2020 - 09:13 PM, said:

It is day 2. About 0 hours remaining.

19 people left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Skintick, Tennes, Thyr, Venesara.

2 votes Venesara: Okaros, Osseric
10 votes Thyrllan; Skintick, Jalan, Barghast, Gait, Tennes, Kilava, Kalse, Ruse, Aranatha, Prazec Goul
1 vote Fanderay; Thyrllan
2 votes Hanas; Rikkter, Sheltatha Lore

Players not voted; Fanderay, Gamelon, Hanas, Prazec Goul, Venesara.

Thyrllan has been lynched. He was Peanutbutta and Scum

Pre-switch

Path-Shaper, on 19 May 2020 - 09:00 AM, said:

It is day 3. About 2 hours remaining.

17 people left alive. Aranatha, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Venesara.

7 votes Rikkter; Jalan, Barghast Sheltatha Lore, Fanderay, Prazec Goul, Ruse, Gait, (Aranatha), [Okaros after switch]
1 vote Ruse; Tennes
2 votes Tennes; Rikkter, Aranatha(not)
1 vote Venesara; Kalse

Players not voted; Gamelon, Hanas, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Venesara.

[Fanderay]

That Ruse vote switch was pretty wild to read.

Also, gotta love Rikkter coming back from the dead.

BTW, I can't be around at the new rollover time, so I can't help with any sudden vote switching then.

Sheltatha Lore, on 20 May 2020 - 08:38 AM, said:

Im not sure of any of the votes placed.

Tennes seemed to suddenly regain his Hard on for Gait. Is it simply a revelation that he is following on?...or is he looking to grab the thread by the horns early on and lead the herd somewhere?

Gait is doing the old OMGUS.

And to a degree I would say that Ruse is doing the same... he quickly adds to the OMGUS voting ... he was nearly lynched yesterday from a Tennes case.

Agreed on Gait and Ruse. Ruse just seems to be trying to dodge another lynch attempt by going after Tennes. I'm not really seeing the Tennes case in general though. Gait feels off to me.

Barghast, on 19 May 2020 - 03:51 PM, said:

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:25 PM, said:

If I have your permission can we put a pin in this?

Constant overt politeness like this is what contribute's to Gait's scummy laid back approach, he really doesn't want anyone to get angry with him does he?

This is one of the main things that makes me feel weird about Gait. Ever agreeable and all that. Never really going after people other than Tennes today. No one other than Tennes voted for them, but they seem like they're scrambling to find a way to not get lynched. Every time they talk, it seems like it's about Tennes. Something else strange is how they made mistakes about Tennes and the Ruse train.

Vote Gait

[Aranatha]

Fanderay, on 21 May 2020 - 01:46 AM, said:

This is one of the main things that makes me feel weird about Gait. Ever agreeable and all that. Never really going after people other than Tennes today. No one other than Tennes voted for them, but they seem like they're scrambling to find a way to not get lynched. Every time they talk, it seems like it's about Tennes. Something else strange is how they made mistakes about Tennes and the Ruse train.

I'm starting to wonder if the reason Tennes was voting so fast, is because he wanted to preempt anyone starting a train on him, and then saying 'they just want to avoid being lynched' and they're voting on him just because of that. Gait is not alone in suspecting Tennes. Is that a stretch? I dunno. I just think it's curious how fast Tennes voted.

At the very least Tennes was doing exactly what you accuse Gait of doing - trying to avoid a train. In this case by voting before anyone else. If this is truly an accepted reason to vote, then Tennes is just as good of a target, if not more.

Reasoning doesn't hold up. But I'm not sure if this vote is trying to distract from Tennes or another vote? Also I haven't forgotten that Thyr voted for you before he got deaded. Hmmm.

All very interesting votes recently. I'm gonna hold of deciding, as there are some interesting things to take a look at. I'll be around if anyone wants to discuss things with me.

[Prazec Goul]

So after a painfully long reread, here are my thoughts. I’m on my phone so no quotes or hyperlinks. Sorry.

Kalse clearly did not want to vote Thyr day 1 or day 2, and kept pushing his case on Venesara. I think that he leaned too heavily for it to be distancing, so likely Ven is PI.

Sorry, I’m not buying either the Gait or Tennes case. For 1, both were on the Thyr train at a time to give that train momentum. Second, to have 2 killers, Kalse and Gait or Tennes on another killer’s train sound just too damning for team scum.

After my reread I found myself going back to Shelly’s Hanas case starting with post 323 on page 9.

Hanas added the extra participation vote day 1, and he’s posted very little in the way of content. He managed to up his post count with the Rikkter/Ruse lynch train scramble, and has generally posted 1 liner agreements or comments, but nothing else. Then this drive by vote in response to Ruse’s drive by vote is just too cheeky.

vote Hanas

[Gait]

I'm around.

Been following the thread, you all do what you need to do.

I agree with votes for information even if they are on me.

That's the sort of smart play I can support.

[Prazec Goul]

Barghast, on 20 May 2020 - 10:31 PM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 19 May 2020 - 04:05 PM, said:

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:50 PM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 19 May 2020 - 03:45 PM, said:

Gait is doing a fair bit of scrambling here.

I definately was. That case threw me for a six.

Do you think it makes sense?

I mean maybe i'm biased here but does it hold water with you?

It’s early in the day and I am withholding judgment atm. Kalse’s cf makes me want to look at all of his interactions for myself. I don’t think he was under any heat when he PId you all, so there is a decent chance that he thought he could steer the thread away from a teammate.

That’s all speculation of course, so I’d like to look at other things.

As always

Either catching up, wanting to look at other things, but always withholding judgement until it's just before eod where Prazec can get away with voting the likeliest lynch with a one liner reason to support his vote

Recently he has upped his post count somewhat but he's still never really saying anything

He has exactly 2 posts with more than 3 lines, and one of them is really only disguising itself as such

vote Prazec

I suppose I cross posted with you because this post wasn’t there when I started typing. I am not fast with the touchscreen like you whippersnappers.

[Aranatha]

Prazec Goul, on 21 May 2020 - 04:29 AM, said:

So after a painfully long reread, here are my thoughts. I’m on my phone so no quotes or hyperlinks. Sorry.

Kalse clearly did not want to vote Thyr day 1 or day 2, and kept pushing his case on Venesara. I think that he leaned too heavily for it to be distancing, so likely Ven is PI.

Sorry, I’m not buying either the Gait or Tennes case. For 1, both were on the Thyr train at a time to give that train momentum. Second, to have 2 killers, Kalse and Gait or Tennes on another killer’s train sound just too damning for team scum.

After my reread I found myself going back to Shelly’s Hanas case starting with post 323 on page 9.

Hanas added the extra participation vote day 1, and he’s posted very little in the way of content. He managed to up his post count with the Rikkter/Ruse lynch train scramble, and has generally posted 1 liner agreements or comments, but nothing else. Then this drive by vote in response to Ruse’s drive by vote is just too cheeky.

vote Hanas

Solid arguments, however we won't get much information from a Hanas lynch, it's basically just a guess based on his activity. I'm not against lynching low activity players, but I'd rather have a real case to vote on instead, so we get a dicussion and can generate more info from the CF. Fanderay for instance would get us a lot more information IMHO, and he's just as low activity.

[Prazec Goul]

I think we will, and remember Rikkter wanted a Hanas lynch, and we know that Rikkter cfd astown.

[Aranatha]

Prazec Goul, on 21 May 2020 - 05:46 AM, said:

I think we will, and remember Rikkter wanted a Hanas lynch, and we know that Rikkter cfd astown.

Being cf'd town doesn't mean you have any divine insight. That rikkter wanted to lynch him doesn't mean however that he's not not scum, he might very well be. Just saying.

[Gait]

Prazec Goul, on 21 May 2020 - 05:46 AM, said:

I think we will, and remember Rikkter wanted a Hanas lynch, and we know that Rikkter cfd astown.

Yes, Rikkter built off some of my own feelings about Hanas and I think made a case that sheltatha echoed and expanded upon rather well. At the time I suspected Sheltatha and Tennes were linked and distrusted the case. I say as much in reply hence my own distrust off that read.

Hanas didn't really convince me with their original response to my own feelings on the subject. Overall I think a reread on Hanas and Kalse or Hanas and Thyr may be useful?

[Okaros]

Prazec Goul, on 21 May 2020 - 05:46 AM, said:

I think we will, and remember Rikkter wanted a Hanas lynch, and we know that Rikkter cfd astown.

What a strange thing to tout as an argument.

[Okaros]

I couldn’t be around yesterday because of real-world stuff, but should be around a lot today. Gonna read through Kalse now.

[Gait]

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 11:38 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 May 2020 - 11:30 AM, said:

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 11:12 AM, said:

Really?
- We have a scum lynch and you fall back to "well, I still like my case from yesterday..."?

Yes, my case is still valid and Hanas is still missing. I had yet to go thru the thread to see what could be found.
Whats your problem, LOL. did I hit a nerve?

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- You say there were efforts to push away from Thyrllan (I presume by scum) and you vote for one of target that was pushed as an alternative?

If its my own "target" that I spent time on compiling yesterday and is still perfectly valid then YES.
Hanas has yet to return are they hiding?...or busy.?

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You voted about 10 times and I don't remember a single meaningful one, now you dilute the thread at an important time with your "re-read" spam, I mean, please read, process and come back with something more focused.

I voted 10 times?, lol IS THAT SO?... alight.
Have you bothered to re-read th thread? don't think you have.

Yes I have, I summarized what I found was most interesting in posts 465/466 above.

There are others things I saw that I could comment, but commenting on everything is like commenting on nothing.

Noteworthy post RE Kalse and Hanas.

Kalse, on 15 May 2020 - 01:19 PM, said:

Back and caught up.

What is it now, 4/3/2 or 3/3/2 for Thyrllan/Venesara/Hanas, with some singletons? Sorry, it's been a while we had a PS post and on mobile it's a pain to keep track, in particular with Shelthata switching a couple of times.

I am happy with my vote on Venesara, but would be available and willing to switch to one of the others to get a lynch (again, not sure how much time left in the day, 7-8 hour?). Both Thyrllan and Hanas have a similar case of hiding in plain sight, if I followed correctly.
Of the two, I would prefer Hanas, because of the strange quick posts shifting to Thyrllan after my second vote on Venesara, maybe it was a derail attempt, or because of the few posts that quickly in the day made it a either/or between Venesara and Thyrllan (even though there were just a few votes on either), maybe they are both inno and scum is happy to push this fight today. If you are paranoid about enough things eventually you get one right

Noteworthy 50/50 diversion from pressure on Thyr to pressure on Hanas.

Read that as you will.

[Aranatha]

Gait, on 21 May 2020 - 07:07 AM, said:

Noteworthy 50/50 diversion from pressure on Thyr to pressure on Hanas.

Read that as you will.

Interesting find. Looks weird as distancing, seems more convincingly to point at Hanas being inno through that comment alone. Unless we're saying Thyr was planning that far ahead.