[Barghast]

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:13 PM, said:

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:05 PM, said:

I am struggling to understand Tennes what it is I am trying to achieve with the "lies".

I mean, if Kalse VPIs me, and four others, why treat it as gospel? and why lump it with the Day 2 interaction?

Ah sorry, apologies, if Kalse VPIs me with three others.
I need to be careful here after all.

That's extremely important and I need to better not make any mistakes or else Tennes will be cross.

You've made so many since his case they're ceasing to matter really

[Sheltatha Lore]

Kilava, on 19 May 2020 - 12:34 AM, said:

re: osseric's posts since showing up are not empty like his previous ones, and he's not voting somewhere that doesn't make sense anymore. i still don't have good explanation for his not voting Thyr but he hasn't pinged the scumdar since then.

--

ok it is conspiracy theory time.

for a moment I am ignoring/including previous cases and this is mostly from the ground up. this is some crazy shit i have to drop and yes I might be crazy, but nothing else in this game makes sense to me except....the word "Thyrllan"

there are exactly 3 scum alive right now (1 dead) who consistently misspell the word "Thyrllan" - but only when talking to each other (almost always by quoting). other times they spell it right, or shorten to Thyr (always correctly). also, "Venesara" is misspelled, but I think to mark as a target. "Thyrllan" was for on-thread identification. let us see.

Thyrllan
Kalse
Aranatha
Okaros

[snip]


EPIC WALL OF EPICNESSSSSS

Suddenly this shit case is holding some weight...hahaha

[Tennes]

Barghast, on 19 May 2020 - 02:58 PM, said:

Barghast, on 19 May 2020 - 02:46 PM, said:

Tennes, on 19 May 2020 - 01:59 PM, said:

Kalse tried to VPI Gait.

And did so knowing there's a chance he'd be lynched at some point with his cf pointing right back to it, not saying that helps Gait, but I think this particular point holds little weight

And since this is the focal point of your case, why no suspicions about myself?

I think I mentioned that briefly in my vote post. I think there should be one killer between the two of you and I feel Gait is more likely. I remembered me pushing them about Kalse/Rikkter/Skintick and them not responding to that despite addressing my posts at length in that D2 conversation, so that stood out to me in context of Kalse's scum CF.

Gait's response to my vote makes me feel good about it, though I want to have a look at your interactions with Kalse as well. But that requires a reread and I'm still at work. I've been paying way more attention to the thread today than I should anyway

@Gait

Asking stuff like this is just fishing for me to speculate on your intentions and then have Aranatha screaming about WIFOM again. It's possible to get something wrong from a read but in response to my vote you throw loads of obvious bullshit at me. Why? I don't know. I don't need to know. Town players don't lie, scum do. That's all I need to know.

[Gait]

Look Tennes I will leave you to your story, again I think its very clever and I commend you for it.

I think this is not worth my time and be you scum or town I don't think it worth yours.
I will go back and read up on Kalse for myself.

I will save my case till I have my facts straight because I want to make you proud that I didn't "lie" or make any mistakes.

If I have your permission can we put a pin in this?

[Gait]

Sheltatha Lore, on 19 May 2020 - 03:19 PM, said:

Kilava, on 19 May 2020 - 12:34 AM, said:

re: osseric's posts since showing up are not empty like his previous ones, and he's not voting somewhere that doesn't make sense anymore. i still don't have good explanation for his not voting Thyr but he hasn't pinged the scumdar since then.

--

ok it is conspiracy theory time.

for a moment I am ignoring/including previous cases and this is mostly from the ground up. this is some crazy shit i have to drop and yes I might be crazy, but nothing else in this game makes sense to me except....the word "Thyrllan"

there are exactly 3 scum alive right now (1 dead) who consistently misspell the word "Thyrllan" - but only when talking to each other (almost always by quoting). other times they spell it right, or shorten to Thyr (always correctly). also, "Venesara" is misspelled, but I think to mark as a target. "Thyrllan" was for on-thread identification. let us see.

Thyrllan
Kalse
Aranatha
Okaros

[snip]


EPIC WALL OF EPICNESSSSSS

Suddenly this shit case is holding some weight...hahaha

Heh.

[Tennes]

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:25 PM, said:

Look Tennes I will leave you to your story, again I think its very clever and I commend you for it.

I think this is not worth my time and be you scum or town I don't think it worth yours.
I will go back and read up on Kalse for myself.

I will save my case till I have my facts straight because I want to make you proud that I didn't "lie" or make any mistakes.

If I have your permission can we put a pin in this?

I don't have anything to add at the moment.

[Gait]

Barghast, on 19 May 2020 - 03:18 PM, said:

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:13 PM, said:

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:05 PM, said:

I am struggling to understand Tennes what it is I am trying to achieve with the "lies".

I mean, if Kalse VPIs me, and four others, why treat it as gospel? and why lump it with the Day 2 interaction?

Ah sorry, apologies, if Kalse VPIs me with three others.
I need to be careful here after all.

That's extremely important and I need to better not make any mistakes or else Tennes will be cross.

You've made so many since his case they're ceasing to matter really

Blegh

I dont like rapid fire discussion on the internet. It gets sloppy. I get sloppy. it takes up space and wastes time.


Tennes made a case on me, I replied with questions about the way it was made. it feels...strung up.

Had I sat back and considered it more I'd have crossed my T's and dotted my i's and that's on me. I should know better.

[Gait]

Tennes, on 19 May 2020 - 03:30 PM, said:

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:25 PM, said:

Look Tennes I will leave you to your story, again I think its very clever and I commend you for it.

I think this is not worth my time and be you scum or town I don't think it worth yours.
I will go back and read up on Kalse for myself.

I will save my case till I have my facts straight because I want to make you proud that I didn't "lie" or make any mistakes.

If I have your permission can we put a pin in this?

I don't have anything to add at the moment.

Thanks, I truly appreciate that.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Kalse, on 18 May 2020 - 06:36 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 17 May 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Kalse, on 17 May 2020 - 06:04 PM, said:

Joking aside, it's a quiet week-end, and we have time. There is something I'm not sure I get so I want to put it here for discussion.

When Thyrllan came to do his catch-up-posting, this was the vote situation:

Path-Shaper, on 14 May 2020 - 08:56 PM, said:

It is day 2. About 25 hours remaining.

19 people left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Skintick, Tennes, Thyr, Venesara.

1 vote Okaros; Sheltatha Lore
1 vote Prazec Goul; Tennes
3 votes Venesara; Kilava, Kalse, Okaros
2 votes Thyrllan; Skintick, Jalan


Players not voted; Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Thyr, Venesara.

and this is how he ended it:

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

OK, lots to digest. I've gotta get back to e-work but that's my catchup and contribution.

Tennes lost some of his scumminess when I finished the re-read. There were some questionable things I brought up, but I don't think Fanderay ever did his "re-read" so for now

Vote Fanderay

A lame-ass case and a vote for someone who had no vote until now. Now, we know he was not following his heart in voting on whom he thought was scum, so it was either:

1. He didn't realise how much the noose was tightening on him, even though he's been talked about since middle of day 1 and had already two votes on him on day 2
2. He know he may be f--ed and wanted to distance himself from Fanderay.

Both are quite, I don't know how to say, simplistic explanations? Still, with a lame case like this, why not just say something similar about Okaros, or add to Venesara saying he agrees?

What I am missing?

Unfortunately... this kind of thing doesn't really provide any tangible info. its always WIFOM.
on the one had he could have been distancing, but on the other he could have been trying to actually look involved and just picked an easy target, as he was only slightly being pressured to get involved at the time with two votes I like to think it's the later.
But again... its not really something I want to try and wrack my Brian over.

What DOES interest me however... knowing now that he is scum now is.. why did he not pile onto the already established Venesera train?

Thats Something more relevant consider IMHO. Would have been much easier to simply agree with a Venesera case tipping the scale in that direction.

meh

Hmm, not too happy i comes from Shelly

Why do you say "meh"? Thinking back that would be a simple explanation. Thyrllan was a killer, and there was another candidate there for the sharing of pressure/vote. The only one who remotely did that (in that optic) is Okaros, but where were the others? I didn't even notice subtle comments about the case having a bit of merit, which anyone in bad faith could have at least tried to do.


vote Venesera

for now.

Seemed to be pushing quite hard for a Venesera Lynch using WIFOM argument garnered by his scum killer partner....

think it slightly nudges Ven over into the "more likely" inno category for me.

Whats makes it nicer is there had been no train on Kalse making them try to distance out of necessity at the time.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:26 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 19 May 2020 - 03:19 PM, said:

Kilava, on 19 May 2020 - 12:34 AM, said:

re: osseric's posts since showing up are not empty like his previous ones, and he's not voting somewhere that doesn't make sense anymore. i still don't have good explanation for his not voting Thyr but he hasn't pinged the scumdar since then.

--

ok it is conspiracy theory time.

for a moment I am ignoring/including previous cases and this is mostly from the ground up. this is some crazy shit i have to drop and yes I might be crazy, but nothing else in this game makes sense to me except....the word "Thyrllan"

there are exactly 3 scum alive right now (1 dead) who consistently misspell the word "Thyrllan" - but only when talking to each other (almost always by quoting). other times they spell it right, or shorten to Thyr (always correctly). also, "Venesara" is misspelled, but I think to mark as a target. "Thyrllan" was for on-thread identification. let us see.

Thyrllan
Kalse
Aranatha
Okaros

[snip]


EPIC WALL OF EPICNESSSSSS

Suddenly this shit case is holding some weight...hahaha

Heh.

its called a joke...

[Barghast]

Tennes, on 19 May 2020 - 03:23 PM, said:

...

I think I mentioned that briefly in my vote post. I think there should be one killer between the two of you and I feel Gait is more likely. I remembered me pushing them about Kalse/Rikkter/Skintick and them not responding to that despite addressing my posts at length in that D2 conversation, so that stood out to me in context of Kalse's scum CF.

Gait's response to my vote makes me feel good about it, though I want to have a look at your interactions with Kalse as well.

...

If you really were suspicious of me, wouldn't you want to check this first before voting, or at least mention that you still have gaps in your read on me? Not doing so reads as if you were certain enough already, and if you were, why not stand behind it instead of admitting that you do need a reread of my posts?

OP:

Tennes, on 19 May 2020 - 12:33 PM, said:

Between these two, I'm definitely leaning Gait. I don't have time at the moment to dig up more posts, but on D2 I was pressing Gait about their derailment theory. I made it clear that I don't care as much about their thoughts on Thyr as I do about why, if they believed there was a derailed train, they never looked into the three people who derailed it. These people were Skintick, Rikkter, and... Kalse. Gait never addressed that point.

You went from "definitely leaning" to "feel like" upon being asked about it

This would be a minor inconsistency in itself, but it is less minor considering it's the basis of your case we're talking about

[Barghast]

Sheltatha Lore, on 19 May 2020 - 03:40 PM, said:

Seemed to be pushing quite hard for a Venesera Lynch using WIFOM argument garnered by his scum killer partner....

think it slightly nudges Ven over into the "more likely" inno category for me.

Whats makes it nicer is there had been no train on Kalse making them try to distance out of necessity at the time.

Also went full WTF in response to at least 2 of Venesara's posts

[Prazec Goul]

Gait is doing a fair bit of scrambling here.

[Gait]

Prazec Goul, on 19 May 2020 - 03:45 PM, said:

Gait is doing a fair bit of scrambling here.

I definately was. That case threw me for a six.

Do you think it makes sense?

I mean maybe i'm biased here but does it hold water with you?

[Barghast]

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:25 PM, said:

If I have your permission can we put a pin in this?

Constant overt politeness like this is what contribute's to Gait's scummy laid back approach, he really doesn't want anyone to get angry with him does he?

[Gait]

Sheltatha Lore, on 19 May 2020 - 03:41 PM, said:

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:26 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 19 May 2020 - 03:19 PM, said:

[snip]

Suddenly this shit case is holding some weight...hahaha

Heh.

its called a joke...

I was laughing.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:50 PM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 19 May 2020 - 03:45 PM, said:

Gait is doing a fair bit of scrambling here.

I definately was. That case threw me for a six.

Do you think it makes sense?

I mean maybe i'm biased here but does it hold water with you?

Tennes has had a harden for you since early day two... im yet to properly read it all but I am not surprised he went back to a previous "target"

[Sheltatha Lore]

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:51 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 19 May 2020 - 03:41 PM, said:

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:26 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 19 May 2020 - 03:19 PM, said:

[snip]

Suddenly this shit case is holding some weight...hahaha

Heh.

its called a joke...

I was laughing.

you need to see a doctor about hat laugh... its weak.

[Prazec Goul]

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 03:50 PM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 19 May 2020 - 03:45 PM, said:

Gait is doing a fair bit of scrambling here.

I definately was. That case threw me for a six.

Do you think it makes sense?

I mean maybe i'm biased here but does it hold water with you?

It’s early in the day and I am withholding judgment atm. Kalse’s cf makes me want to look at all of his interactions for myself. I don’t think he was under any heat when he PId you all, so there is a decent chance that he thought he could steer the thread away from a teammate.

That’s all speculation of course, so I’d like to look at other things.

[Barghast]

Tennes, on 15 May 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

* Thyr and Hanas are both solid coasting cases and I'm currently drawn more to them than to the Ven train. I'd like Thyr to explain why did they look so much into Merrid's last posts. That line in particular:

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2020 - 09:35 PM, said:

Is this Merrid's last post? Did he die for this?

What kind of question is that? Do you seriously think scum would look at one of Merrid's messages and be like oh yeah we need to kill them for that. You're too experienced with Mafia to not know this is horseshit.

This raised my eyebrows at the time but I've forgotten about since. The underlined very much suggests an offthread knowledge of who's behind the alt. Another thing is this post gave Thyr an opportunity to defend themselves just by answering a question and not coming off as that defensive.