Keep all that in mind when you look at this "read" of Kalse
Tennes, on 14 May 2020 - 08:53 PM, said:
Two other people I wanted to look at are Kalse and Barghast.
Kalse's playing a good game but worth keeping an eye on because they're leading the thread much more than I realized. They were the third on the Okral train but
it's their read that was by far the most convincing and paved the way to the lynch. Then they also called out Ruse for their bullshit post and now Kalse has been tearing Venesara apart. Ven is now on 3 votes which is making them a viable lynch candidate.
Now, I can't really hold this against Kalse because their reads are solid and they're making good observations. Being good at Mafia doesn't mean you're scummy (duh), though it's obviously easier to make good observations when you already have all the information. So just putting this out there,
because Kalse has been the most influential player in the game so far and doesn't seem to be getting one bit of scrutiny.
One Kalse's post jumped at me as weird:
Kalse, on 14 May 2020 - 05:09 AM, said:
Tennes, on 13 May 2020 - 10:34 PM, said:
Two observations from end of D1:
Prazec mistaking Okral for Okaros. There was an ongoing conversation about Okral and Prazec themselves mentioned Okral in previous posts. Okaros, meanwhile, was mentioned like once or twice on thread. Why would Okaros even be on Prazec's mind. Smells of a slip.
Venesara came on thread hours before timeout and was supposed to have been catching up. They then went on to quote some stuff that looks like a random collection of posts, without really committing to anything and avoiding to pass judgement. Textbook example of trying to look like you're contributing without actually sticking your neck out. They didn't even vote.
About Prazec, when I was catching up my first thought was "let's see that because of that we miss the lynch by one vote and Prazec will be all sorry guyz I confused an we would waste a lynch, and second day of arguing about it - great symp play!". But then it turned out there was enough time for him to get corrected and even an extra vote to be safe.
Venesara basically admitted that they catch up the thread reading the posts non-sequentially. Now, to each their own, but that sounds more like scanning for things to quote in order to appear to contribute than actually trying to get actionnable information.
That's just rehashing what I said. It stands out because
it's something a coaster would post while Kalse has been anything but.
So from the start Tennes has done two things.
Tennes has commended Kalses play and reads them as the MVP town. there's a play at being critical but its barely fluff.
Tennes then turns the narrative, in this case praising Bharghasts post, while piling subtle shade on Bharghast because they did not dive in on Rikkter, Skintick and KALSE. The same players at the start of his list in his "Solid play category." I think thats contradictory but serves to also encourage interest in Aranatha, Venesara and myself.
Tennes, on 14 May 2020 - 08:53 PM, said:
Now, Barghast. Their most important post is probably this:
Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 03:25 PM, said:
What a pretty pile up, will be interesting to analyze later
Thought it might be connected to Tennes getting 2 votes to Okral's 3 but then the Okral voters are pretty direct in opposing the votes on Tennes which doesn't look like a scum strategy
I don't think Okral is that likely to be a killer, his play seems too unguarded for scum, wishy washy indeed but like careless about it
I wouldn't bring up lack of resistance as an argument, this is not much of a time or situation for resistance from scum
But still this was easy and I'm a little alarmed how swiftly the train went, including Ruse's and Ara's relatively quick switch from Tennes (Note that Aranatha is suddenly content enough with following Tennes after all the vibe scanner stuff)
vote Thyrllan
A lot of dubious stuff going on today but it kinda started when there were 2 votes on Thyr, who during that time got a few joke or otherwise altogether insubstantial posts in, made sure he takes having the votes on himself with ease, then as the attention on him died away so did his presence
At this point it's already L-3 for Okral so it's clear there's not going to be another lynch. Yet Barghast decides to push back towards Thyr and also low-key pushes the derailing narrative. This reads like a townie play, especially in hindsight - questioning a lynch train and offering an alternative to make sure the lynch doesn't go through too easily.
But yet again, it rubs me the wrong way that despite questioning the validity of the train, Barghast never notices or puts any pressure on Rikkter, Skintick, or Kalse who started that train. They pressed Aranatha and Venesara, early on they had a brief interaction with Gait, but never anything about these three.
This is Tennes, they have applied shade on almost everyone in some form or other but its how he shapes these two "commendations" that bothers me.
It's followed by this summation which drive home categories they may have been pushing for later. (speculation)
Tennes, on 14 May 2020 - 08:59 PM, said:
tl;dr of my re-read and summary of my thoughts so far:
Prazec and Ruse still stand out as the scummiest to me. I'm happy with my vote and I don't believe one bit that Prazec randomly just switched from writing Okral to Okaros. If Prazec flips scum, Okaros is their partner.
Gait and Barghast are pushing the idea that a Thyr train was derailed on D1 but didn't investigate that derailment at all. Rikkter, who started the Okral train, didn't even get a mention from them so far.
Kalse's case on Venesara sounds good. Ven would be my third choice at the moment after Prazec and Ruse. Kalse has been playing a game so clean my gut almost tells me it's too clean.
Thyr is a coaster but the D1 'train' was literally two semi-joking votes, so the whole derailment things sounds blown out of proportion.
I dont know about Bharghast, nor did I engage with them but as early as D2 Tennes lumps me in with them for pushing a narrative on Thyr which I openly and repeatedly have said was bare bones. Yes I thought it was worth a look but after I
looked I said no, derailment was not enough.
Note we are lumped together again for a completely different reason that obscurely links to a Tennes read off Kalses VPI
list, again talking about derailment on Thyr which again my Vote activity and reasoning contradict (IMO).
Because of this, and a Push on Ven, Tennes praises Kalse. He also uses this to criticise myself and Bharghast, I may be overlooking the context on Bharghast but I find it jarring this much effort is placed on discrediting this particular aspect of a train with a scum CF.
I read these Interactions as Support of Kalse and criticism of attention on Thyr.
I dont need to emphasize how premeditated this sort of support and mudslinging looks like with actual evidence in hand on Thyr and Kalse.
Thats me, I am likely biased but I think its worth a vote.
Vote Tennes
Help
), I don't see it. I voted on Gait and feel it's a good vote.
