[Barghast]

Sheltatha Lore, on 18 May 2020 - 11:20 PM, said:

Barghast, on 18 May 2020 - 11:18 PM, said:

It's just the interaction you and Gait are talking about quoted for better thread readability

ooooh for Gait..he didn't know what I was referring to...coool cool. I get it now.

Mostly for anyone rereading this later

[Sheltatha Lore]

Sheltatha Lore, on 18 May 2020 - 11:19 PM, said:

Barghast, on 18 May 2020 - 11:12 PM, said:

But to address the point of both of you, maybe he wanted to look like he's coming up with some sort of town-helpful activity of his own instead of merely following other people's ideas?

My thinking was that he didn't just do it for one person at that point...he ignored a few opportunities to hitch on another trailer and didn't bother.

its..weird.

oh yes, To add to this for clarity.

The main reasoning for my vote on Rikkter, is not only that Thyr simply didn't take the easy route and push a train on either Ven or Rikkter (who where getting looked at)... what stuck out to me most, was that Thyrllan literally fabricated an excuse for Rikkter's "behaviour" and marked him off as not wort a look at out of nowhere.
Basically Thyrllan "strawmnned" an inno argument for Rikkter there. If u catch my drift.


EDIT- plenty typos

This post has been edited by Sheltatha Lore: 18 May 2020 - 11:32 PM

[Tennes]

Barghast, on 18 May 2020 - 11:01 PM, said:

Tennes, on 18 May 2020 - 10:36 PM, said:

Barghast, on 18 May 2020 - 10:07 PM, said:

Tennes, on 18 May 2020 - 09:23 PM, said:

Now, real talk. Is there any interest to pursue Ruse? I feel better about my vote on them right now than I'd feel about anyone else. They're coasting, waiting for a train to build, dropping a safe late vote and then disappearing again. Safely disengaged from any real discussion but present enough to vote and claim participation. It screams low-posting scum to me.

What happened to your suspicion of Prazec?

I'm still suspicious of Prazec but there seems to be zero interest in lynching them at the moment and I find Ruse equally scummy. Not that there is a huge appetite for Ruse but I'm more hopeful because the case is based on more tangible evidence.

EDIT
Added the quote for context.

I think they're a very good scum candidate in light of the cf. I wouldn't bet much on the freudian slip, tho there's still the thing that scum tend to slip do more and bigger slips. Anyway Prazec ain't said much but twice mentioned Thyr as a secondary or so suspicion, then there was the hammer with some time to go (suspicious because town wouldn't know Thyr would turn up scum, and scum would want to be on the train), and with no pressure over himself has been absent since

[SNIPPED - QUOTES FROM PRAZEC]
But now we've got such a nice a reaction from Rikkter

I agree with that. Like I said, I focused on Ruse for now because I think the case is more tangible and their activity fits low-posting scum perfectly, but Prazec is still up there for me.
Rikkter would be extremely brazen to play scum the way they're playing now. Wouldn't be the first time that happened, but I think we have a better chance of a hit with Ruse or Prazec.

I'll be going to sleep soon. Working tomorrow so will be mostly lurking in the morning but will be online for timeout. Ruse is my preference (watch them show up in a few hours, drop a vote, and fuck off into the void once again like they did D1 and D2), but I'd follow a Prazec train. If in the morning the two viable candidates are me and Rikkter, I'll obviously push for Rikkter.

[Barghast]

Sheltatha Lore, on 18 May 2020 - 11:29 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 18 May 2020 - 11:19 PM, said:

Barghast, on 18 May 2020 - 11:12 PM, said:

But to address the point of both of you, maybe he wanted to look like he's coming up with some sort of town-helpful activity of his own instead of merely following other people's ideas?

My thinking was that he didn't just do it for one person at that point...he ignored a few opportunities to hitch on another trailer and didn't bother.

its..weird.

oh yes, To add to this for clarity.

The main reasoning for my vote on Rikkter, is not only that Thyr simply didn't take the easy route and push a train on either Ven or Rikkter( who where getting looked at)... what stuck out top me most, was that Thyrllan literally fabricated an excuse for Rikkters behaviour marked him off as not wort a look.
Basically Thyrllan "strawmnned" an inno argument for Rikkter there. If u catch my drift.

Aye, that's a good point, tho Thyr does name drop a number of the people Tennes discusses in the post in previous posts, but none of them with an excuse

Said Thyr's post for readability:

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2020 - 10:07 PM, said:

Tennes, on 14 May 2020 - 08:27 PM, said:

Okay, moving on.

After Gait's vote I also moved to Okral and then Fanderay shows up, drops another vote, and at this point Okral is and left as the only viable lynch for the day. So let's break down the train, shall we?

Votes 1-3: Rikkter, Skintick, Kalse.
The people who built the original case against Okral. A solid one, as I admitted on D1.

Votes 4-6: Gait, me, Fanderay.
I believe the three of us gave the train enough momentum to seal Okral's fate for better or worse (hindsight: obviously worse).

Votes 7-11: Aranatha, Ruse, Jalan, Prazec, Merrid.
At this stage of the train there are also three alternative suggestions: Merrid (from Okral), Thyr (from Barghast), Osseric (from Hanas).
Honorable mentions go to Venesara, who at L-1 and an hour or so to timeout was pondering what we're waiting for WITHOUT CASTING A VOTE and Hanas who was around before timeout but held with switching from Osseric until the lynch was already secured and gave some weird ass 'just in case of a miscount' justification.

Bunch of quick thoughts from reviewing the train:
* For all the talk about derailing the train on Thyr, there is zero scrutiny on Rikkter and Kalse. Skintick is at least consistent, they were onto Thyr from early on. Jalan is voting Thyr already and Gait is pushing the derailing narrative I talked about in the previous post. I find it very curious that you two are circling back to this game's first almost-train but none of you even name-dropped the person who started it? What the hell.
* Ruse's vote is extremely convenient. Called out for the bullshit post about lynching me or Ara swiftly brushed it off and moved on to a safe vote on a secure lynch train.
* Venesara and Hanas are full of shit.

As for Thyr, whose presence or lack thereof is getting a lot of attention, they're coasting. That's never a good sign and they very well might be a quiet partner to a more vocal killer. There are others I'm more suspicious of but come on out Thyr, it's D2, high time you said something of substance.

Hey, analyzing vote trains is/was my bag!

Anyway, I like this type of thinking a lot. Rikkter was pretty aggressive with people. Yes, we needed a lynch but I think he might just be a jerk.

In general, more posting = more likely to get heat, so it is probably a little suspicious to not have any on Kalse or Skintick.

[Sheltatha Lore]

it does strike me that at this point of the game we really SHOULD actually be putting much more pressure on the low laying people than we have done.

Keeping them around till the end without pressuring them now will just leave us with a potential end game scenario filled with people that have said next to nothing for us to go by.


edit - bad grammar.

This post has been edited by Sheltatha Lore: 18 May 2020 - 11:47 PM

[Sheltatha Lore]

Barghast, on 18 May 2020 - 11:45 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 18 May 2020 - 11:29 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 18 May 2020 - 11:19 PM, said:

Barghast, on 18 May 2020 - 11:12 PM, said:

But to address the point of both of you, maybe he wanted to look like he's coming up with some sort of town-helpful activity of his own instead of merely following other people's ideas?

My thinking was that he didn't just do it for one person at that point...he ignored a few opportunities to hitch on another trailer and didn't bother.

its..weird.

oh yes, To add to this for clarity.

The main reasoning for my vote on Rikkter, is not only that Thyr simply didn't take the easy route and push a train on either Ven or Rikkter( who where getting looked at)... what stuck out top me most, was that Thyrllan literally fabricated an excuse for Rikkters behaviour marked him off as not wort a look.
Basically Thyrllan "strawmnned" an inno argument for Rikkter there. If u catch my drift.

Aye, that's a good point, tho Thyr does name drop a number of the people Tennes discusses in the post in previous posts, but none of them with an excuse

egg fucking zactly

[Barghast]

Tennes, on 18 May 2020 - 11:34 PM, said:

Rikkter would be extremely brazen to play scum the way they're playing now. Wouldn't be the first time that happened, but I think we have a better chance of a hit with Ruse or Prazec.

I'll be going to sleep soon. Working tomorrow so will be mostly lurking in the morning but will be online for timeout. Ruse is my preference (watch them show up in a few hours, drop a vote, and fuck off into the void once again like they did D1 and D2), but I'd follow a Prazec train. If in the morning the two viable candidates are me and Rikkter, I'll obviously push for Rikkter.

If it came to Prazec vs Ruse I'd prefer Prazec because in his case there's atleast some attempt at pretending not being a complete coaster

Mainly voted Rikkter to see how he reacts to more pressure, and he's a perfect example of not managing it at all, but agree he's essentially a little too scummy

[Sheltatha Lore]

Also his excuse for Rikkter is a bit meta... and if they have off thread comms this might have also been a bit of an "inside info" kinda jab.

I dunno.. I could just be looking for things that don't exist. but it just rang bells to me.

[Tennes]

Sheltatha Lore, on 18 May 2020 - 11:46 PM, said:

it does strike me that at this point of the game we really SHOULD actually be putting much more pressure on the low laying people than we have done.

Keeping them around till the end without pressuring them now will just leave us with a potential end game scenario filled with people that have said next to nothing for us to go by.


edit - bad grammar.

If only someone was suggesting a train on the living player with the lowest post count and each of these few posts incriminating

@Barg:

I'm game for either, I was onto them since D2.

Off to bed now. Back in a few.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Tennes, on 18 May 2020 - 11:56 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 18 May 2020 - 11:46 PM, said:

it does strike me that at this point of the game we really SHOULD actually be putting much more pressure on the low laying people than we have done.

Keeping them around till the end without pressuring them now will just leave us with a potential end game scenario filled with people that have said next to nothing for us to go by.


edit - bad grammar.

If only someone was suggesting a train on the living player with the lowest post count and each of these few posts incriminating

@Barg:

I'm game for either, I was onto them since D2.

Off to bed now. Back in a few.

We all know exactly what will happen if I start pushing for the same people you are today.

[Kilava]

this case sounds pretty bad now that I'm done with it


sorry in advance

[Kilava]

re: osseric's posts since showing up are not empty like his previous ones, and he's not voting somewhere that doesn't make sense anymore. i still don't have good explanation for his not voting Thyr but he hasn't pinged the scumdar since then.

--

ok it is conspiracy theory time.

for a moment I am ignoring/including previous cases and this is mostly from the ground up. this is some crazy shit i have to drop and yes I might be crazy, but nothing else in this game makes sense to me except....the word "Thyrllan"

there are exactly 3 scum alive right now (1 dead) who consistently misspell the word "Thyrllan" - but only when talking to each other (almost always by quoting). other times they spell it right, or shorten to Thyr (always correctly). also, "Venesara" is misspelled, but I think to mark as a target. "Thyrllan" was for on-thread identification. let us see.

Thyrllan
Kalse
Aranatha
Okaros

hi scum. my best guess is that thyr and okaros are the killers, kalse and aranatha the symps. knowledge must be limited, or else they would not bother doing all this stuff on thread.

couple notes....around post #500 everyone disappears for several pages, then catch up to now, not much is said. okaros arrives quite late into the game, past post #200, so he has less interaction but he still picks it up.

disclaimer: I've given Gait a pass in case you wonder because autocorrect is changing his spelling to "Thyrllen" every time, which no one else uses but Gait *always* does - even in the edit, autocorrect wouldn't spell it right. he doesn't play the quoting/spelling game either.

the other thing is that no one else does this. no one mispells "Thyr" ever, and "Thyrllan" is spelled right almost every time by everyone else - when it's not, it flows quite well with the other mistakes in the post and there is no consistency with the error. but our four fun friends spell everything else correctly, and are very consistent about misspelling.

i realize I cannot make a coherent post in chronological order so I have to just copy pasta my notes with references to post numbers. I will quote to illustrate, but it's all there. i'm about to lose it so here we go....





whoops...can't have votes on Thyr...quotes P-S and preserves the edit

Kalse, on 13 May 2020 - 07:34 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 13 May 2020 - 07:19 AM, said:

It is day 1. About 13 hours and a half remaining.

21 people left alive.

1 votes Thyrllan; Skintick
1 vote Tennes; Aranatha
3 votes Okral Lom; Rikkter, Skintick, Kalse
1 vote Skintick; Sheltatha Lore

Skintick has two votes there?

--kalse

#59 - votes Gait, first to mention symp-signaling explicitly
#127 - "symp cases"
#132 - panic about skintick have a vote on thyr - messed up by quoting PS, who edits
#178 - "average" Thyr image of posts - no okaros
#180 - quotes ven (#179) - nonsense reply
#181 - "fishing" - (cf. #276 from Thyr)
#238 - calls out okaros and low posters - chicken/wolf metaphor
#251 - calls out venesara - bolds knew/know - mentions finder with no caps.
#252 - vote Venesara after kilava
#312 - quotes okaros about "signalling" - Okaros vote "informative" - also pairs thyr/ven misspells their names after x4 correct
#315 - quotes aranatha voting barg over thyr, mispells as Thyrlann - quotes post from ara using "Thyrrlan" - "I repeated you" - kalse never says this - votes are always spelled right, 2 L's - Ara swaps for 2 R's, Kalse for 2 N's
#334 - miscounts votes for Thyr, spells correctly, and likes his vote on Ven and would switch to Thyr but prefers Hanas
#375 - jumps on Thyr train from Ven after Tennes, then Kilava - again "would have prefered Hanas"
#463 - Says skintick, jalan, barg, gait are inno - probably true - arantha agrees and speculates #464
#465 - quotes aranatha, Spells as "Thyrlann" - signalling
#466 - quotes okaros, first post that misspells "Venaras" several times (target)
#473 - xpost with aranatha calling out shelly - kalse says symp, ara says killer (Thyrllan spelled correctly)
#474 - xpost comment - arantha gets chummy
#595 - "Thyrlann"

Okaros, on 17 May 2020 - 10:13 AM, said:

I find it amusing that Aranatha and Shel are both screaming EXPLAIN YOUR CASE!!! at each other. Other than that I find myself skimming over their posts, so the exchange has been pretty good at totally muddying the thread. I'm going to attempt a read of Thyr's posts and interactions today, as well as a couple of other people. I think it's pretty clear that Skintick was killed because scum suspected him of being a finder after voting for Thyrrlan.

--okaros

#240 - arrival
#260 - quote Kalse, agree, vote Venesara - mentions signalling - says "about their target Tennes - it was Tennes, right?"
#261 - quotes Ven quoting Kalse (agrees)
#427 - "I wouldn't switch to Thyr" - scumdar needs rewriting (cf. #101 --aranatha)
#467 - okaros quotes kalse, mentions scum, mentions Thyr
#571 - misspells "Thyrrlan" x2 (also spells as Thyr same post)
#573 x2 - spells as Thyr - no quotes
#576 x4 - edited for misspelling - "Thyrllan" - no quotes - deliberately tries to brush off as spelling error
#577 x4 - spells as Thyr


makes contact with symp. thyr doesn't quote or talk to aranatha or okaros on his posting spree.

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2020 - 09:31 PM, said:

Kalse, on 13 May 2020 - 06:14 AM, said:

The problem with symp cases is that they can be true, but it makes it hard to be sure why they start stirring things (and who exactly they try to deflect from), but also they are a symp best tool, big cases, lots of discussions and quoting, all that not to put a vote since the person in the case is not the one we want lynched (or if we do we won't know whether the case was true).

Still, I'm not complaining, this info being out there can be useful later in the game!

I have never been a huge fan of symp cases for this reason. The speculation is nearly pointless early-game. It might help late game but it also just becomes tons of noise.

--thyrllan

#88 - missing venesara (misses mentioning okaros)
#89 - tennes - and Okaros
#94 - comments on missing okaros
#275 - returns
#276 - says "(fishing?)" about tennes
#278 - quotes Kalse about symp cases
#287 - mentions signaling between merrid/goul
#288 - quotes a nothing post by kalse about okaros
#292 - quotes ven quoting shel voting Okaros - mocks logic
#294 - says "Venes"
#295 - quotes tennes agrees - mentions kalse no heat
#297 - votes fandy, says tennes not so scummy

things

Kalse, on 15 May 2020 - 05:47 AM, said:

I hate fake narratives and that day 1 derailment from Thyr is one of them. The two voters, Skintick and Shelly, removed their votes before anything else serious happened, and Skintick putting the second vote on Okral. I'm not the first one who commented on that

I mention it because looking at this:

I put my vote on Venesara, second indeed but no offense to Kilava the first with a coherent explanation.
Then 10 minutes later:

Okaros, on 14 May 2020 - 05:12 PM, said:

<snip the quotes>

Yes, this stood out to me as well. Finished my reread and so having just read Venesara question Okral's vote on Merrid, them then saying that they had their eye on Merrid looks very weird. I'm going to

Vote Venesara


for now.

By the way, I'm impressed by the amount of actual game discussion that got done on day 1, even if it all turns out to be rubbish! Other things I noted: Aranatha seems more like an eager town with a particular style, but nothing particularly stood out to me about their target Tennes either (it was Tennes, right? I'm already forgetting). All the signalling stuff was stupid. But I did half-suspect that Okral would turn out to be scum as I read through their replies, so I would have probably voted that way too.

Back to pushing the other way!

Plus, just a couple of hours in the day and this already strongly limited the options for the lynch with two fat targets. If one of Thyrlann or Venesara is scum, then one of these two votes (Jalan or Okaros) will be quite informative.

--aranatha

#53 - quotes skintick's vote on Thyr, deflection
#101 - day 1 - "if tennes isn't scum I quit mafia" - "over analyzing word choices claiming symp"- (cf. #427 --okaros)
#102 - votes tennes
#106 - voting based on gut feeling of tennes not feeling authentic
#112 - defending tennes vote - defensive "I have no reason to deflect anything - Tennes just seems scummy" - says his "reasoning is solid" after going with gut - keeps asking to be convinced to switch
#124 - overreacts to shelly
#164 - votes Okral and backs off both shelly and tennes
#119 - lols @ being the symp - OMGUS back to Tennes as symp voting randomly, no vote
#235 - total randomness, BACK TO Tennes
#311 - votes barg instead of thyr (remove from tennes) - "Thyrrlan" - spelling - x3
#381 - votes Thyr, now L-1, misspells "Thyrrlan"
#393 - says scum probably didn't vote for Thyr - (Tennes on train - Kalse + Aranatha on train, Okaros voting Ven)
#407 - "easer to find a scum off the train than on it"
#414 - spells "Thyrllan" correctly
(#425) - shelly quotes #311 - "doesn't age well" - bad defence of thyr...
#443 - good spelling - "reveal"
#457 - scum lynch was luck - "scum would exercise distancing" - speculating on own role...
#461, #462 - asked about interacting with thyr = scum, deflects
#472 - votes shelly
#479 - wonders how many scum are in the game
#489 - repeat bullshit filler about scum - "you're definitely not playing on my team"
#499 - "scum are watching"
#605 - votes tennes - misspells as "Tyrllan" - no quotes - scum talk scum talk role scum
#613 - edits to add an "a" in apologize...really? after misspelling Thyrllan in different ways for so long?

more

Kalse, on 15 May 2020 - 06:24 AM, said:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 04:21 AM, said:

A usual Tennes is full of shit and Sheltatha apparently loves him. Get a room you two already.

It seems Thyrrlan have become active, which people have been jumping down his throat for. I don't see any of you geniuses making any genius posts, so what's so different about Thyrrlan all of a sudden? I'm genuinely curious.
However the derailed Thyrrlan train insight has merit, however I'm not convinced that's isn't just a coincidence.

<snip>


Wtf even is this post:

Barghast, on 14 May 2020 - 11:01 PM, said:

vote Thyrllan

for now

What has been said, and because I consider it a better alternative to Venesara or any other current votes and don't see much use casting a new vote, though at this point I'd be satisfied with a vote for Gait too

"It was Nothing. And it got bigger and bigger."

WHY is it a better alternative than Venesara? And wtf why would you not want to cast a new vote? Just trying to get town killed as fast as possible, are you? Why do you suspect Gait? Will we ever find out?


So scummy man, so so scummy.

Vote Barghast

Hmm, I was caught in trying to process the Venesara-Thyrlann thing trying to see when it became all about those two, I just now realize I more or less repeated what you wrote about Barghast's post.

thyr misses okaros from the list, kalse even puts an image up at one point. blatant

Thyrllan, on 12 May 2020 - 07:01 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 11 May 2020 - 08:36 PM, said:

Here it is ladies and gentlemen. The first game of 2020. I hope the first of many more. Please enjoy.

It is day one: 48 hours remaining.

<snip>

Looks like the only person we're missing is Venesara.

Tennes, on 12 May 2020 - 05:20 PM, said:

And Okaros.

Good catch. I was looking at the list of who had posted in the thread and counted EmperorMagus.

talking to aranatha

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 07:21 AM, said:

OK, I noticed two things in re-reading the end of day:

First is this trio of posts:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 08:28 PM, said:

There's some really interesting divides going on about who is scummy or not, and that should give us some valuable information as to who is who once we get a lynch result. I'm really not excited about being on the same train as Tennes and gang, but Thyrrlan seems to be the only lynch option. Should be interesting to see who votes for him and who doesn't. Might aswell rip off the band aid.

remove vote
Vote Thyrllan

Edited: just to add the bold

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 09:23 PM, said:

I told yah we would get some good information out of this, but oh man I'm so happy right now, I didn't expect us to hit a scum this early!

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 09:31 PM, said:

What's the likelihood that their scum friends voted for him? Not very high, so we should probably start looking closely at anyone that voted for someone else, or didn't vote. So much more to go on now than before.

I mean, read all this with "The Room"-level acting skills and it's almost too on the nose. Then again, killers usually try to stay average and Thyrlann actually had some posts where he was writing about how average he was.

no one has missed the "h" so far all game

Aranatha, on 18 May 2020 - 07:54 PM, said:

I have to say, I think rikkter's case on tennes is weird but also on point in places albeit a bit wordy and partly reactive, however it's aided by the fact that Sheltatha is once again being tennes giant knight in shining armor - even going so far as to 'subtly' distancing himself from tennes.
That said, I agree that the sudden acitivty from Rikkter is also suspect in a sense. My thinking right now is that it's possible that Shel is tennes symp - unless they've just been playing recklessly and is town after all?
Some of the other's reactions are confusing to me. I have no idea what Kalse is on about, and his vote doesn't make any kind of sense, seems like a throw away vote to me. Fanderay voting for Rikkter is something of a red flag to me, since I think it's a possibility that Tyrllan was distancing himself from Fande before he was lynched. Shel is whining about people attacking his master as usual.

<BIG SNIP>
Also tennes is recorded as having voted twice - which is clearly wrong. Fix it PS.

okaros participates

Okaros, on 18 May 2020 - 09:53 AM, said:

I too was a bit confused when Tennes, after posting a bunch of reasoned suspicions about others, went and put a vote on Thyrrlan instead. Afterwards, I mostly discounted it because Tennes' was the swing vote which turned the tide inexorably on to Thyrrlan - before that, I wouldn't say it was certain that Thyr was going to be lynched. Still, if you're going to help lynch fellow scum, that's ideally where you'd want to be on the train.

love this one

Okaros, on 18 May 2020 - 10:57 AM, said:

Kilava may have been the real swing that sealed the Thyrllan lynch - they removed from Venesara to vote Thyrllan. The thing that apparently convinced them was what they saw as Osseric's suspicious hesitancy to vote for Thyrllan - so I'd be interested to know what Kilava thinks of Osseric now. I had a look through Osseric's posts myself and there isn't much to go on there - a lot of chat (in a few sentences) that makes them seem careful and considerate, stuff about how mafia games work, and a slight run-in with Sheltatha. Very much a softly softly approach that doesn't give much away. Talks about carefully weighing up all the interactions which Thyrllan had but doesn't seem like they've done that yet themselves.

Edit: misspelled ThyrLLan.

so, to follow through,

vote okaros


EPIC WALL OF EPICNESSSSSS

[Barghast]

Tennes, on 18 May 2020 - 11:56 PM, said:

@Barg:

I'm game for either, I was onto them since D2.

Barghast, on 18 May 2020 - 11:51 PM, said:

Mainly voted Rikkter to see how he reacts to more pressure, and he's a perfect example of not managing it at all, but agree he's essentially a little too scummy

Had a similar feeling about Thyr too, so I'm keeping my vote as it is for now

[Okaros]

RE: Prazec. What I noticed looking over Thyr’s posts is that of all the people or posts he interacted with, Prazec was the only low-poster they quoted more than once. Not sure if that’s an indication of anything, but I thought it was interesting.

I will have to read over Rikkter before making any judgements there. When Thyr made that ‘they could just be a jerk’ comment, was there any pressure on Rikkter at the time?

[Okaros]

You were right Kilava, that is a bad case.

If nothing else (and there is a lot else), I would never ever edit a post to deliberately mislead, no matter what role I had.

[Barghast]

@Kilava

so why does Okaros the killer need to signal his partner? And why do both symps furiously signal Thyr but actually never Okaros? Assuming I understand the case right, which I'm not sure

[Barghast]

Okaros, on 19 May 2020 - 12:39 AM, said:

RE: Prazec. What I noticed looking over Thyr’s posts is that of all the people or posts he interacted with, Prazec was the only low-poster they quoted more than once. Not sure if that’s an indication of anything, but I thought it was interesting.

I will have to read over Rikkter before making any judgements there. When Thyr made that ‘they could just be a jerk’ comment, was there any pressure on Rikkter at the time?

No votes apparently, I posted a vote count from the time half a page back

[Prazec Goul]

Rikkter, on 17 May 2020 - 07:40 PM, said:

Tennes, on 17 May 2020 - 07:31 PM, said:

I don't have time to post much until tomorrow but this is some galaxy brain logic to think I was deflecting from Thyr all the time to then cast a vote that tipped the scale on them.

I voted Thyr on D2 when the votes were 4/4/2 between Ven, Thyr, and Hanas. If I were scum, I would need to be out of my mind to switch to Thyr at that point.

No, actually you wouldn't be out of your mind at all. There are probably at least 3 people who will show up as scum on a CF this game. Taking opportunities to distance is a hallmark of scum play. What better way to distance than to join early on to a lynch train on the first scum. You read the room correctly, that Thyr was careening toward a lynch despite all your efforts to derail and redirect suspicion. This was all made worse by the inability to SL to get another separate train up to speed, although the Hanas train was promising (something you noted when you did vote for Thyr).

Your behavior is a reasonable, cold calculation, and unfortunately you overdid the defense/derailment attempts for Thyr, making it abundantly apparent on a careful reread. And so quotable. I doubt you will be able to untie yourself from all your own words protecting Thyr, but I will be amused to watch you try.

Wait, at least 3? Symps usually cf as town, and killers are usually in pairs. Why do you assume there are 3?

[Prazec Goul]

Ok, finally caught up. Here are my thoughts.

STOP EDITING YOUR POSTS!!! JUST REPLY.

The case on Tennes: As annoying as his boner for me is, his play is IMO too in your face to be a killer. Also, I agree that his position on Thyr’s train helps it to pick up speed when he could easily have derailed it.

The case on Rikkter: Initially in reading backwards I didn’t see it, but his post about 3 scum is an odd assumption coupled with Thyr’s lack of a case against him make this seem like a more solid case.

vote Rikkter

[Gait]

Barghast, on 18 May 2020 - 11:04 PM, said:

Here's the interaction for all

Gait, on 18 May 2020 - 02:05 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 18 May 2020 - 10:39 AM, said:

Looking at this now...
Considering Thyr is scum...why at this point would he not simply jump onto a push against Rikkte here?... it would be dead easy and non suspicious to simply agree.
instead he makes an excuse for Rikkter's aggressiveness brushing it off? It wouldn't hurt him at all to have added to the argument against Rikkter if Rikkter is inno yet he seems to be defending them.

Seems like he was subtly is trying to disregard looking at Rikkter to me.

remove vote
Vote Rikkter


I assume all the symp shouting will come out at me shortly, but I am gonna keep calling it as I see it.

Jump onto Rikkter????

Venesara had a viable case at the time and Thyr seemed iffy about it but willing. Why didnt he jump there instead? Thyrs vote on Fandaray lacked any follow up whatsoever. Of ALL the players Thyr pointed fingers at, none actually had anything going except for Venesara and Thyr pointedly overlooked that.

Why would you now use this as reasoning to vote Rikkter? It's blatant support of Thyrs read.

I cant tell if this is calculated or actually just really bad symp play.

edit: the Shel Gait interaction

Here It is indeed. The issue I had here was that you assume Thyr specifically ignored a case on a particular individual rather than Thyr ignoring all the cases including Venesaras which was most viable at the time to land a vote on Fandaray.

If you are scum, why jump on a less viable argument (at that point there was no train on Rikkter) or dream up a new argument (Fandaray vote).

A vote at that point would have put Venesara at 4 votes to Thyrs 2.

Path-Shaper, on 14 May 2020 - 08:56 PM, said:

It is day 2. About 25 hours remaining.

19 people left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Skintick, Tennes, Thyr, Venesara.

1 vote Okaros; Sheltatha Lore
1 vote Prazec Goul; Tennes
3 votes Venesara; Kilava, Kalse, Okaros
2 votes Thyrllan; Skintick, Jalan


Players not voted; Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Thyr, Venesara.

At the time Thyr goes so far as to even say he'd jump on the Ven train but misreads the issue people had with Ven.

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2020 - 10:00 PM, said:

Venesara, on 14 May 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

Then who do you find scummy?

Well, I had an eye on Merrid, which was dumb apparently.

I was thinking about your post from the 1st page, but I don't believe anybody else was concerned, so I'm not hanging on to that one much

Nobody really sticking out

You show up late. Say little of interest. Don't vote. Disappear.

I'd vote for you now if I hadn't done the same thing (except showing up late) lol!

I mean...maybe its me but why word it this way, overlook this in a series of other posts and then do this:

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2020 - 09:45 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 13 May 2020 - 01:10 PM, said:

Okral's last two posts are both pretty weird. I'll vote for him for now, but I'd like to see more thoughts from him. Sheltatha Lore and Aranatha had a bit of a spat, and I'll take a closer look at that later.Vote Okral Lom

Did Fanderay ever go back and look at this?

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

OK, lots to digest. I've gotta get back to e-work but that's my catchup and contribution. Tennes lost some of his scumminess when I finished the re-read. There were some questionable things I brought up, but I don't think Fanderay ever did his "re-read" so for nowVote Fanderay

After this vote Thyr disappears.

Rikkter and Aranatha start new trains as the Thyr train picks up speed but Aranatha joins the train later at L-2.
Kilava and Kalse leave the Ven train to lay a vote on Thyr but Okaros and Osseric stay there till EoD.

Up until that point the Ven train was the most viable detraction from a scum CF.

Why would Thyr not land a vote on Ven? It does not add up.