[Mentalist]

i think loads of people somehow haven't clued in that there's 4 killers yet.

[Peanutbutta]

I played so poorly this game. So rusty. Nice job getting me killed, Ment.

Looks bad for our boys with a dead symp on day one. Alas.

Also, Tats, you have some excellent writing chops.

[Peanutbutta]

This was cute. Fanderay clearly doesn't want a train on Tennes because they're partners alright... but they aren't scum. They're cops!

Aranatha, on 18 May 2020 - 07:54 PM, said:

I have to say, I think rikkter's case on tennes is weird but also on point in places albeit a bit wordy and partly reactive, however it's aided by the fact that Sheltatha is once again being tennes giant knight in shining armor - even going so far as to 'subtly' distancing himself from tennes.
That said, I agree that the sudden acitivty from Rikkter is also suspect in a sense. My thinking right now is that it's possible that Shel is tennes symp - unless they've just been playing recklessly and is town after all?
Some of the other's reactions are confusing to me. I have no idea what Kalse is on about, and his vote doesn't make any kind of sense, seems like a throw away vote to me. Fanderay voting for Rikkter is something of a red flag to me, since I think it's a possibility that Tyrllan was distancing himself from Fande before he was lynched. Shel is whining about people attacking his master as usual.
The case against Rikkter seems less about actual evidence and more a combination of town doing fucking retarded knee jerk voting to fit in and scum taking advantage of the fact that Rikkter suddenly became active. You have to do better than that.
look at Barghast's reason to vote Rikkter - it seems more that he thinks Rikkter plays the game too well. What kind of argument even is that? Maybe it's correct that Rikkter is scum, but you have to do a better job of convincing me - this shit happens WAY too often in MAFIA and the reason Town loses more often than not. You vote for the actual good cases, and it becomes a lot more important as the days passes. And I become even more skeptical when Shel comes along with 'it's valid' as if that's all it takes to vote in this game. Fucking hell if I can't smell Shel's symp antics from a mile away.
The thing is that if we want to get good information from lynches, we have to actually make a case for them and argue - it's the only way we'll suss out the scum. Otherwise we might aswell make random choices and lose.

Just look at how Fanderay clearly states he doesn't want to vote for Rikkter - as in setting up for the result already before the lynch even happens - a clear signal they already KNOW he's inno. Makes me think he's scum that clearly doesn't want a train on tennes, and is trying to divert it elsewhere. The person that suddenly became active and is making a hell of a case is an easy target for scum at this point. If you got something better to build a vote for Rikkter on, then bring it on.

For now though I'll

remove vote
Vote Tennes

Also tennes is recorded as having voted twice - which is clearly wrong. Fix it PS.

[Path-Shaper]

Sheltatha Lore, on 18 May 2020 - 11:39 PM, said:

Not liking Rikkters seemingly massive fanny wobbles today.

smacks of desperation.
Not sure what to make of it just yet.

Having an early scum Lynch does give us a bit of luxury to vote out people simply for the info.
SO im ok with whoever today. it might lead to some big stuff later on once we get their result.

Aranatha came in made a massive shit...and disappeared again.
Still dunno if the person is simply out of their depth inno...or a flailing scumbag.


Either way would like to see the back of that one, they are majorly disruptive.

[Path-Shaper]

Woke up to 8 conversations on the go

[Path-Shaper]

Barghast, on 19 May 2020 - 12:00 AM, said:

Rikkter's case could be a result of a find, but if that's the case Rikkter would end up dead the enxt night anyway, and we can still lynch Tenens afterwards if he cfs finder

Barghast, on 19 May 2020 - 12:30 AM, said:

This tendency to agree with Tennes and think of them as town but subsequent paranoia I can't shake, is Tennes Khell?

[Path-Shaper]

Kilava, on 18 May 2020 - 10:14 PM, said:

Yeah I was over the weekend, just wasn't expecting to play through it. But oh boy...

I smell Khell behind Kalse...and I'll stop my alting there for now.

I guess I will break this down on thread but either I am fucking crazy or scum is signalling each other via spelling Thyrllan's name wrong in different ways on thread, probably to identify each other. Perhaps they did not know each other and there is an inheritance mechanic, or leader knows everyone vs. everyone knows leader, or there are just 2 symps. I assume 4 scum for game balance. Maybe the killers are paired like normal but each symp only knows 1 killer and that's it. It's gonna come down to order of operations I think, but somehow it also has let them talk more freely with so many people playing and alive, it's easy to hide these signals if no one is looking.

THE LIST (only scum make lists)
Thyrllan - killer (dead)
Aranatha - symp
Okaros - killer
Kalse - symp

I really hope that's moderately close. Some of these posts give me the sense that Kalse could be the finder. Sigh. If I am completely off base this is just going to go wild.

BUT I MUST

Kilava, on 18 May 2020 - 10:40 PM, said:

As I post this I wonder if I didn't write Venesara off too quickly...next in line if any one else was cleared. Hmm.

Kilava, on 19 May 2020 - 12:44 AM, said:

Well, at least that was fun.

[Path-Shaper]

Ruse, on 19 May 2020 - 03:35 AM, said:

I swear to god being a low-poster and surviving is way easier than it should be in Mafia. Just fyi that I am keeping an eye on the thread and reading everything but I don't believe my additional contributions with the 0 knowledge I have are going to help. If I survive till D-day or if all the really active people stop posting is the point where I will get in.

Ruse, on 19 May 2020 - 04:06 AM, said:

Also, Tennes & Barghast are right and Town should really lynch me today and right now. If they let me live they are going to come back to this same thing tomorrow and waste even more time.

Of course, I have time to post right now, and I can do so. But I don't want to get lynched (not good town play - I should probably get it over with) and the current atmosphere on thread leads me to believe the slightest reaction from me in the form of substance is going to lead to a lynch on me.

[Path-Shaper]

Kalse, on 19 May 2020 - 04:44 AM, said:

I understand killers need to lay low, but my three partners are really pushing that to the limit.

Plus, they don't have to do the same in the off-thread communication, I don't ever remember having so little spitballing and personal PM fun in a paired role before.

Anyways, they will probably last on thread longer than me, but how boring

The game is great fun otherwise, and the day is going well so far! I expect a bit of a stalemate for the lynch, which is perfect.

I'm surprised how many people a throwing shade at Jalan and Gait. I expected they would be VPI in many eyes after their ThyrLLaN attack and lynch, at least they are in my eyes. If I was inno I'd lecture and remind, but for now screw that, not my problem.

[Path-Shaper]

Peanutbutta, on 18 May 2020 - 10:08 PM, said:

I played so poorly this game. So rusty. Nice job getting me killed, Ment.

Looks bad for our boys with a dead symp on day one. Alas.

Also, Tats, you have some excellent writing chops.

Thanks, I hope you'll play some more then to shave off that rust

[Path-Shaper]

Aranatha, on 19 May 2020 - 04:45 AM, said:

The recent development in the game makes me ponder Survival in MAFIA. A little bit of chaos for instance can make you seem harmless, which is useful to town and scum alike. My strategy definitely payed off so far. Although Sheltatha hates me now. Yey.
I have to say though, scum has been doing a great job so far, because it's hard to have any real indication of who they are except perhaps intuition. Do I really think Tennes and/or Shel are scum? All I can say is my senses are telling me yes, but that doesn't really help me. If Tennes is scum, then it's a masterclass, and I love a masterclass. Maybe I WANT him to be scum, because it would be so cool? Also sometimes my brain does analyzing that is hard for me to pin down. You end up with a philosophical question whether you brain actually knows anything you don't. Heh.

[Path-Shaper]

Hanas, on 18 May 2020 - 10:49 PM, said:

Provisional on Prazec unless anyone thinks elsewhere?

Kalse, on 19 May 2020 - 05:09 AM, said:

Actually, maybe Jalan would be a better target.

Even more convinced than Ment he piled a second vote on Thyrllan on day 2 and unlike Ment never came back to look anywhere else. He's staying very low, and unless they start to listen to whoever saying that this vote was a back-fired attempt at distancing (I should find who wrote that, may be our symp) he's one of the VPI on thread.

His play is also consistent, in general, as having a role.

[Path-Shaper]

Ruse, on 19 May 2020 - 08:18 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 19 May 2020 - 07:36 AM, said:

Thoughts for who you think scum are?

I have no clue who is scum. I think the Rikkter train is shaky & I don't like it at all. A scum in the position Thyrllan was in last day would attempt to distance from his partner not go to their defence.

I find the SL/Tennes dynamic weird and am keeping an eye on it, but I don't think there is too much there to look at.

My preferred lynch today would be on Prazec for his suspicious hammer or Venesara because Thyrllan did not jump on that train when he had the opportunity to distract from him. However, I don't think it's very likely that either player is scum (just cause of the maths) but we have to eliminate the most suspicious candidates to get to a manageable game state. With 3 scum alive I think that would be when we have less than 10 alive.

I regret that I was less active the past few days. Without Tennes/Barghast fingering me for it today I would have had some stuff to say on thread but as I said, I don't particularly want to die and I think silence is the best way to keep myself alive right now.

Ruse, on 19 May 2020 - 08:22 AM, said:

On the other hand, we have less than three hours left. A failed lynch on Rikkter is counter-productive, and I consider it my duty as town to do my best to prevent that.

If I get lynched for it so be it. I want it recorded for posterity's sake that I could've kept laying low and probably survived D4 with the shit-show that the Rikkter failed lynch would have been but I did not do so and stuck my neck out for Tennes/Barghast/SL to take swings at me. I am a true townie sacrificing my own fun for the sake of winning (but not true enough of a townie to contribute substance D1 & 2)

[Path-Shaper]

Ruse, on 19 May 2020 - 08:34 AM, said:

There we go. That should be enough to get Jesus Christ lynched in a Malazan mafia game.

I feel like I'm deliberately trying to get lynched.

Ruse, on 19 May 2020 - 08:37 AM, said:

Oh, and for the record, last week was really busy for me. I have started my first 'real' desk job for the summer and it's been fairly brutal in terms of my ability to concentrate on the thread once I get home at night.

At work, I can't access the forum except from my phone and that's not really feasible for me.

[Path-Shaper]

13 alive. 2 killers and a symp.

[Path-Shaper]

Prazec now only knows of Osseric.

Okral knew Kalse and Hanas.

[Rikkter]

Ok, I guess I fucked up. Sigh. I think I smelled the finder and took their laser focus as avoidance. Because as finders, they seem to be nailing it on picking out scum. Will read up leisurely later. To work at my real life job now. Dead man walking.

[Jump Around]

Fuck me, a vig?

[Mentalist]

Jump Around, on 19 May 2020 - 01:25 PM, said:

Fuck me, a vig?

You're lucky you killed me, I would've been all over you and Bruja.

But, you thought I was a finder... while the real finder got you.

[Jump Around]

Path-Shaper, on 13 May 2020 - 02:51 PM, said:

If Khell does indeed die, I'll give him Okaros' account if Lish doesn't show. He stays in healer team. Nothing is affected.

Lol I have to re-read Okaros' "first" post