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#2441 User is offline   Azath Vitr (D'ivers 

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Posted 04 February 2021 - 02:41 PM

'Catholic Church Took $3B in PPP Funds, Sat on Pile of Cash

The Catholic Church may have been the single biggest beneficiary of the U.S. Paycheck Protection Program during the COVID-19 crisis, raking in a reported $3 billion in taxpayer-funded business relief. The staggering figure comes from an analysis of the payouts from the Associated Press, which states that $3 billion has been dished out to the nation's dioceses and other Catholic institutions. That money came in despite many dioceses being in good financial health—for example, the Diocese of Charlotte requested $8 million in aid despite having a reported $100 million of their own cash and short-term investments in the bank last spring, when the pandemic hit. Those assets were valued at $110 million by the summer'

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Of course, religious institutions in the US are also exempt from paying taxes. (Wonder how far that tax money would go towards funding health care and college or job training....)

'lab used artificial intelligence to search for hidden clues in the structure of the virus to predict how it invaded human cells, and what might stop it. One observation stood out: The virus could potentially be blocked by melatonin.

[...] After he published his research, though, Cheng heard from scientists around the world who thought there might be something to it. They noted that, in addition to melatonin's well-known effects on sleep, it plays a part in calibrating the immune system. Essentially, it acts as a moderator to help keep our self-protective responses from going haywire—which happens to be the basic problem that can quickly turn a mild case of COVID-19 into a life-threatening scenario.

[...] Cheng decided to dig deeper. For months, he and colleagues pieced together the data from thousands of patients who were seen at his medical center. In results published last month, melatonin continued to stand out. People taking it had significantly lower odds of developing COVID-19, much less dying of it. Other researchers noticed similar patterns. In October, a study at Columbia University found that intubated patients had better rates of survival if they received melatonin.

Eight clinical trials are currently ongoing, around the world, to see if these melatonin correlations bear out. Few other treatments are receiving so much research attention. If melatonin actually proves to help people, it would be the cheapest and most readily accessible medicine to counter COVID-19. Unlike experimental drugs such as remdesivir and antibody cocktails, melatonin is widely available in the United States as an over-the-counter dietary supplement. People could start taking it immediately.

Yet Cheng emphasizes that he's not recommending that. Like any substance capable of slowing the central nervous system, melatonin is not a trifling addition to the body's chemistry. Its apparent benefit to COVID-19 patients could simply be a spurious correlation—or, perhaps, a signal alerting us to something else that is actually improving people's outcomes. [...] the real issue at play may not be melatonin at all, but the function it most famously controls: sleep.

[...] several mysteries of how COVID-19 works converge on the question of how the disease affects our sleep, and how our sleep affects the disease. The virus is capable of altering the delicate processes within our nervous system, in many cases in unpredictable ways, sometimes creating long-term symptoms.

[...] Many people's sleep continues to be disrupted by predictable pandemic anxieties. But more perplexing symptoms have been arising specifically among people who have recovered from COVID-19. "We're seeing referrals from doctors because the disease itself affects the nervous system," she says. After recovering, people report changes in attention, debilitating headaches, brain fog, muscular weakness, and, perhaps most commonly, insomnia. Many don't seem anxious or preoccupied with pandemic-related concerns—at least not to a degree that could itself explain their newfound inability to sleep. Rather it is sometimes part of what the medical community has begun to refer to as "long COVID," where symptoms persist indefinitely after the virus has left a person. When it comes to sleep disturbances, Salas worries, "I expect this is just the beginning of long-term effects we're going to see for years to come."

[...] the leading theory to explain how a virus can cause such a wide variety of neurologic symptoms over a variety of timescales comes down to haphazard inflammation—less a targeted attack than an indiscriminate brawl. This effect is seen in a condition known as myalgic encephalomyelitis, sometimes called chronic fatigue syndrome. The diagnosis encompasses myriad potential symptoms, and likely involves multiple types of cellular injury or miscommunication. [...]

[...] some reassurance in what the doctors are not seeing. When nerves are invaded and killed, the damage can be permanent. When nerves are miscommunicating—in ways that come and go—that process can be treated, modulated, prevented, and quite possibly cured. Although sleep cycles can be disturbed and damaged by the post-infectious inflammatory process, radiologists and neurologists aren't seeing evidence that this is irreversible. And among the arsenal of ways to attempt to reverse it are basic measures such as sleep itself. Adequate sleep also plays a part in minimizing the likelihood of ever entering into this whole nasty, uncertain process.

A central function of sleep is maintaining proper channels of cellular communication in the brain. Sleep is sometimes likened to a sort of anti-inflammatory cleansing process; it removes waste products that accumulate during a day of firing. Without sleep, those by-products accumulate and impair communication (just as seems to be happening in some people with post-COVID-19 encephalomyelitis). "In the early stages of COVID-19, you feel extremely tired," [...] Essentially, your body is telling you it needs sleep. But as the infection goes on[...] people find that they often can't sleep, and the problems with communication compound one another.

The goal, then, is breaking out of this cycle, or preventing it altogether. Here the benefits of sleep extend throughout the body. "Sleep is important for effective immune function, and it also helps to regulate metabolism, including glucose and mechanisms controlling appetite and weight gain," Miller says. All of these bear directly on COVID-19, as risk factors for severe cases include diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Even in the short term, getting enough deep, slow-wave sleep will optimize your metabolism and make you maximally prepared should you fall ill. [...]

[...] On weekends, wake up and go to bed at the same time as you do other days. Take scheduled walks. Get sunlight early in the day. Reduce blue light for an hour before bed.

[...] Even small daily rituals can help, [...] Light a candle. Have a cup of tea in a specific place at a certain time. [...]

[...] The most effective way to improve sleep is to ensure that people have a calm and quiet place to rest each night, free of concerns about basic needs such as food security. The pandemic has brought the opposite assurances, exacerbating the uncertainties at the root of already-stark disparities. [...]

[...] Fitton is one of a number of hypnotherapists who have spent the pandemic creating YouTube videos and podcasts meant to help put people to sleep. Fitton's sessions involve 30 minutes of him saying empowering things to listeners in his pleasant, semi-whispered voice. He tells me he is now getting more than 1 million listens a month.

Hypnotherapy is meant to slow down the rapid firing of our nerves. Similar to guided meditation or deep breathing, the intent is to stop people from overthinking and allow sleep to happen naturally. As you listen to Fitton saying banal things about the muscles in your back or asking you to envision a specific tree in a specific place, "the aim is to get into a relaxed, trancelike state, where your subconscious is open to more suggestion," he says. Then, when he tells you to sleep, your brain is less likely to argue with him about how you're too busy, or how you need to worry more about why someone read your text message but didn't reply.

Focusing involves practice; the trancelike state rarely happens easily, and no single way works for everyone. Some experimentation is usually needed. Apparently it still is for me. While listening to one of Fitton's recordings, I couldn't fully escape the image of him in his home office speaking softly into his microphone[...]

But regardless of whom you trust to help relieve you of consciousness, now seems like an ideal time to get serious about the practice. Draw boundaries for yourself, and sleep like your life depends on it. Hopefully it won't.'

https://www.theatlan...ic-zzzz/617454/

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Posted 04 February 2021 - 02:52 PM

The USA is a capitalist nightmare joke at this point. Churches are exempt from taxes, but can rake in 100mil and STILL nab 3billion in COVID funds....for what? Holy shit I hate it.
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Posted 05 February 2021 - 08:53 AM

View PostQuickTidal, on 04 February 2021 - 02:52 PM, said:

The USA is a capitalist nightmare joke at this point. Churches are exempt from taxes, but can rake in 100mil and STILL nab 3billion in COVID funds....for what? Holy shit I hate it.


The fact that so many buy into the scam of religion without so much as a question boggles my mind. Everything is right there in front of them to say 'this is a scam', but...
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Posted 05 February 2021 - 09:16 AM

Religion isn't a scam. It's a cornerstone of human society.

Now, how some people abuse that power and that belief, that's another matter.
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Posted 05 February 2021 - 09:33 AM

This is a conversation I've had with the ladywife.

Religion, in isolation, is fine, it's organised religion that is the problem.
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#2446 User is offline   Azath Vitr (D'ivers 

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Posted 05 February 2021 - 02:21 PM

View PostAptorian, on 05 February 2021 - 09:16 AM, said:

Religion isn't a scam. It's a cornerstone of human society.

Now, how some people abuse that power and that belief, that's another matter.


Getting off topic, but all the mainstream religions have based their legitimacy primarily on claims of supernatural miracles. That's a scam. While it's possible that faith healers can successfully induce the placebo effect, miraculous healing doesn't work against plagues. Likewise, the outdated moral restrictions justified by those supernatural falsehoods are mostly scams---or at least oriented towards maintaining social orders that are now definitely non-optimal.

'Christians turned their anger at the Catholic Church that seemed helpless to stop the Black Death. In fact, many local priests either died of the plague or abandoned their parishes when it struck. The church's failure led to thousands of people joining the Flagellant Movement.'

https://www.crf-usa....ant%20Movement.

Rituals, a general sense of awe (or thankfulness that contingent conditions are not worse---without giving up the hope of helping to make them better, etc.), and an abstract faith in the possibility of having some knowledge of or alignment with truth and goodness (or perhaps compassion) are all probably good. Belief in some sort of continuation of life after death---or at least uncertainty about whether scientific materialism can fully explain qualitative experience (since its presence or absence would not seem to affect physical reality) leading to wondering whether there is more to the universe, or whether this universe could be a simulation, etc.---is slightly more defensible, though basing it on visions of supposed supernatural entities borders on the danger of believing that visions and voices can also provide absolute moral judgment or prophecy, and believing that people will be tortured forever for deviating from your morality (LBGTQ for example) is a plague on society.

Perhaps we should be trying to bring a true god into being for the first time on Earth---the massively distributed IoT quantum singularity (AI that is, not black hole...). It would have solved COVID-19 by now (or at least, solved humanity, which is arguably a much worse plague... on its higher being as well as the planet).

[Edit: also, obviously, the mythological aspect of religion---and the appeal to the very common human desire for stories of magic and supernatural beings---should be supplanted by explicit fantasy (what is explicitly fantasy, that is... though I'm fine with the other meaning too).

Also, obviously, there are offshoots of the major religions that view the supernatural stories and claims as purely metaphorical, or at least remain agnostic about them. Secular Buddhism has powerful rational arguments in its favor. Deism, in contrast, does not do nearly as well in light of modern science. It seems plausible that all (almost all?) the major religions have had more 'enlightened' sub-sects or practitioners who are fundamentally agnostic about the miracles (or at least the earthly miracles), mythology, and many of the specific moral claims. And we have plagues like COVID-19 to thank (in part) for that.]

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Posted 08 February 2021 - 07:22 PM

First active member of Congress has died from covid.
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Posted 08 February 2021 - 07:55 PM

I don't want to derail the conversation but in regards to my comment on religion, I think it's essential to seperate the criticism of organized religion from the spiritual needs for some people. That's of course a harder issue in a developing country like the US but in a modern, secular society, I doubt many people actually worry about heaven and hell and miracles. It's the spiritual aspect and the community that helps in hard times, when you're alone with your thoughts, that matters.

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Posted 09 February 2021 - 08:42 AM

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 05 February 2021 - 02:21 PM, said:


Perhaps we should be trying to bring a true god into being for the first time on Earth---the massively distributed IoT quantum singularity (AI that is, not black hole...).


Those were the bad Dune books my friend.





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Posted 19 February 2021 - 05:22 PM

So appaarently meeting up is now against the law in the UK?

How very V for Vendetta. Dun dun dunnnnnnnnnn ... :rolleyes:

https://www.news.com...28313b91dffcbb7
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Posted 19 February 2021 - 07:19 PM

View PostTsundoku, on 19 February 2021 - 05:22 PM, said:

So appaarently meeting up is now against the law in the UK?

How very V for Vendetta. Dun dun dunnnnnnnnnn ... :rolleyes:

https://www.news.com...28313b91dffcbb7


They could get away with passing virtually any law at the moment. I think the population has turned into lockdown zombies. Anyone with school age kids is in a position of "they can do anything to us so long as schools open". I don't care if I never go to a pub or restaurant or holiday ever again right now.
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Posted 22 February 2021 - 08:50 AM

View PostMezla PigDog, on 19 February 2021 - 07:19 PM, said:

View PostTsundoku, on 19 February 2021 - 05:22 PM, said:

So appaarently meeting up is now against the law in the UK?

How very V for Vendetta. Dun dun dunnnnnnnnnn ... :rolleyes:

https://www.news.com...28313b91dffcbb7


They could get away with passing virtually any law at the moment. I think the population has turned into lockdown zombies. Anyone with school age kids is in a position of "they can do anything to us so long as schools open". I don't care if I never go to a pub or restaurant or holiday ever again right now.


All according to plan. Then use bweksuts to strip away worker protection so that people are obliged by the need to pay mortgage / rent / food etc and their employers can milk them for profit until they drop dead from exhaustion and we're spending most our lives living in a bweksuts paradise.

Covid has just been the convenient excuse to get us there.



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Posted 22 February 2021 - 09:01 AM

Sadly I have to agree with that assessment.
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Posted 22 February 2021 - 12:22 PM

The current situation re the virus is ... probably not deliberate, but it has been most definitely taken advantage of in regard to the economic consequences and "opportunities".
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Posted 22 February 2021 - 12:56 PM

View PostMacros, on 22 February 2021 - 09:01 AM, said:

Sadly I have to agree with that assessment.


You know it's bad when I post what is ostensibly a wacky conspiracy theory with no proven basis in fact and your response is "actually on balance of probability yeah that's probably it".

I'm already pretty much at the end of my rope in terms of exhaustion. Constantly struggling against what I perceive as inevitability is just crushing me bit by bit.



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Posted 22 February 2021 - 10:43 PM

Half a million.

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Do you guys think there is something to that study that people who wear glasses are 3x less likely to get the virus? Or do you think that needs to be meshed out some more before such a definitive statement can be taken seriously?
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Posted 22 February 2021 - 11:37 PM

View PostMalankazooie, on 22 February 2021 - 10:43 PM, said:

Half a million.

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Do you guys think there is something to that study that people who wear glasses are 3x less likely to get the virus? Or do you think that needs to be meshed out some more before such a definitive statement can be taken seriously?


'Another study published last year in JAMA Ophthalmology also concluded people who wear glasses may be less susceptible to contracting COVID-19. That study found that only 6% of coronavirus patients admitted to a Chinese hospital wore glasses.

[...]

Experts said after the Chinese study was published that it was too soon to conclude wearing glasses could protect you from the coronavirus. [...] cautioned observational studies have inherent limitations and may be misleading.

"Although it is tempting to conclude from this study that everyone should wear eyeglasses, goggles, or a face shield in public to protect their eyes and themselves from COVID-19, from an epidemiological perspective, we must be careful to avoid inferring a causal relationship from a single observational study," [...]

The new study from India involved a survey of 304 coronavirus patients, and only 60 of those patients used glasses. Just 42 patients used glasses all the time; the rest used them for reading.'

https://www.clevelan...-infection.html

Might as well... wonder if China and Russia (and North Korea, etc.?) have been secretly conducting tests to answer these causal questions more conclusively.

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Posted 23 February 2021 - 08:17 PM

View PostMalankazooie, on 22 February 2021 - 10:43 PM, said:

Half a million.

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Do you guys think there is something to that study that people who wear glasses are 3x less likely to get the virus? Or do you think that needs to be meshed out some more before such a definitive statement can be taken seriously?


Interested I hadn’t seen that, but it’s not beyond possible. Safety glasses/ face shield are one of the tools doctors or scientists would wear to prevent aerosols from getting in their eyes. Regular Glasses may not be designed for this purpose and would work far less well but could provide some protection I guess.

Not 94% but something.
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Posted 23 February 2021 - 09:11 PM

I wear glasses. I haven't gotten Covid yet. Theory confirmed.
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Posted 23 February 2021 - 10:28 PM

Boris has revealed the lockdown exit plan. Just this week and next week left of home school. And then some other stuff happens between now and June that leads to normal life resuming or something, I didn't concentrate beyond schools reopening. I thought I would be elated but I'm kind of numb. It maybe feels like when an adrenalin rush starts to wear off and you want to collapse. I also don't really believe anything this government plans more than 3 or 4 weeks in advance.

So fuck you regardless Boris, I guess. And I'm really annoyed that the government are taking credit for vaccine rollout! And also slightly worried about what comes next because as you apply selective pressure to a virus then new things can happen. Got to remain vigilant for some considerable time yet.
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