[Tattersail_]

@D'rek when/if I am able to research gravity drive I will send a cruiser into the asteroid field for you to destroy. Would you be willing to wait until next round before doing so?

[Morgoth]

Khell, I think you will find that I have my hands full already. The very last thing I want this game is to end up fighting my neighbors.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 05 November 2019 - 11:12 AM, said:

@ Tatts:

Let's get our plans sorted, if we are going to make a deal, so we're not holding everyone up when my turn comes along. Here's my opening questions/offers.

1) What turn would you move to Lazar?

2) It's one carrier and one infantry only.

3) Lazar's not worth much resource-wise, but the wormhole and the yellow tech are notable, plus I'm ensuring you a VP, so how about your SftT?

4) Are you able to place a blocking ship in the alpha wormhole? This is as much for your and your neighbours' benefit as mine, as you're opening up some tasty targets for me should I ever decide to become aggressive.

5) @ Morgoth: how are we going to ensure you don't understandably take advantage of a new wormhole being placed? If you give the token to me next, I'll place it where you like (other than in my territory).

If we can't come to an agreement, then I will just be moving ships to defend my planets.

My SFTT is off the table as I see me swapping with the L1 in the coming future. However an Alpha wormhole would make you and Nom neighbours in a way which could see you swapping SFTT with him?

Moving to Lazar, without action cards, would require me to research gravity drive which I intend to do but would mean it would be late in the round if achievable.

I would not be able to block the alpha wormhole with a ship, and why would you want me to? You have access to Mec Rex that way or just to bolster your forward forces. Eventually I may be able to but I'm not going to have loads of moves.

I don't know what sort of payment I can offer but you will have moves before the decision is made. Maybe my trade agreement could be thrown into the bargain? I see you getting as much if not more benefit from the wormhole than me, you even asked Creuss for it towards the end of last round. There are a couple of other otpions I should look at though, Lazar is not the only planet available.

[ToasTer86]

This round has been taking really long. I feel like the stalling of leadership really slows game play down.
Everyone must make every move count.

[Imperial Historian]

Morgoth, on 04 November 2019 - 10:42 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 November 2019 - 09:19 AM, said:

Actually depends a bit on morgoth... Are you after tura nora?

Ah, yes. I am.

Sorry, I figured I had to post my orders no matter. I couldn't keep up the game any further.

Morgoth are you intending to remain in tura nora and continue expanding in this area? I thought you had agreed to attack rex? I had planned to move in this turn, and still may to dislodge you without reassurances as this area is clearly within my sphere of influence.

[twelve]

Khellendros, on 05 November 2019 - 11:01 AM, said:

twelve, on 04 November 2019 - 08:29 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 04 November 2019 - 08:01 PM, said:

twelve, on 04 November 2019 - 05:50 PM, said:

I haven't really been paying that close attention to the speaker negotiations. Am I interested in what exactly? And at what cost?

You and khell between you pay nom the 1tg and 3 votes to make me speaker. I pick politics and make you speaker but you leave me my first choice of strategy card.

If you consider a free refresh still worth the 1 tg and Khell pays the votes then I'm in.

Seeing as you have more votes then me, how about you pay the votes and I'll pay the TG?

Sure

[Imperial Historian]

ToasTer86, on 05 November 2019 - 11:43 AM, said:

This round has been taking really long. I feel like the stalling of leadership really slows game play down.
Everyone must make every move count.

I think it's more that stage of the game where a lot of negotiations happen, and things become murkier.

On that subject did I miss your response on the 3 planet system?

[twelve]

ToasTer86, on 05 November 2019 - 11:43 AM, said:

This round has been taking really long. I feel like the stalling of leadership really slows game play down.
Everyone must make every move count.

Whoever has tech should stall it else only the Nekro will have any actions this round.

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 05 November 2019 - 11:24 AM, said:

@D'rek when/if I am able to research gravity drive I will send a cruiser into the asteroid field for you to destroy. Would you be willing to wait until next round before doing so?

Sure

[D'rek]

ToasTer86, on 05 November 2019 - 11:43 AM, said:

This round has been taking really long. I feel like the stalling of leadership really slows game play down.
Everyone must make every move count.

Not playing it turn 1 counts as stalling now? :/

[Khellendros]

Time to talk Ceasefires then I guess IH

[Imperial Historian]

Khellendros, on 05 November 2019 - 02:13 PM, said:

Time to talk Ceasefires then I guess IH

Sounds good, straight swap work for you?

[Khellendros]

Imperial Historian, on 05 November 2019 - 02:14 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 05 November 2019 - 02:13 PM, said:

Time to talk Ceasefires then I guess IH

Sounds good, straight swap work for you?

Yeah, works for me.

[Galactic Council]

Imperial Historian, on 04 November 2019 - 08:06 PM, said:

I forget how we ruled action cards and riders.

Did we say action cards are drawn after we play riders etc to avoid the situation where everyone is waiting for action cards and then playing riders?

Basically if i draw over 7 in the status phase, can i play riders already in my hand at the same time to reduce the number i have in hand?

Ie is it
I have 6 in hand, including one rider, i draw 2, play the rider and end the status phase with 7.

Or

I have 6 in hand, including one rider, i draw 2, discard 1 as I'm over the 7 card limit and then play a rider so i end the status phase with 6?

I think we are playing the first variant as we have been playing that riders are played simultaneously with the draw so drawn riders can't be used, but I'm not 100% as I've never been in the situation where i might need to discard an action card.

You can only use what is in your hand at the beginning of the Status Phase on the upcoming agenda phase. That means that what you draw during the status phase cannot be used on the upcoming agenda phase, only subsequent ones. This rule was put into place so as not to delay the status phase. If we did it the second way, it would mean that status phase would have 2 rounds - one where people do their status updates then another one where people decide whether or not they want to play riders/vetoes/abilities, etc. My goal was to keep the status phase down to one round to expedite. So, action cards you draw during the status phase cannot be used for the next agenda phase (unless you have an action card that affects the results of the agenda phase such as Confusing Legal Text or Bribery), only after it!

[Imperial Historian]

Galactic Council, on 05 November 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 04 November 2019 - 08:06 PM, said:

I forget how we ruled action cards and riders.

Did we say action cards are drawn after we play riders etc to avoid the situation where everyone is waiting for action cards and then playing riders?

Basically if i draw over 7 in the status phase, can i play riders already in my hand at the same time to reduce the number i have in hand?

Ie is it
I have 6 in hand, including one rider, i draw 2, play the rider and end the status phase with 7.

Or

I have 6 in hand, including one rider, i draw 2, discard 1 as I'm over the 7 card limit and then play a rider so i end the status phase with 6?

I think we are playing the first variant as we have been playing that riders are played simultaneously with the draw so drawn riders can't be used, but I'm not 100% as I've never been in the situation where i might need to discard an action card.

You can only use what is in your hand at the beginning of the Status Phase on the upcoming agenda phase. That means that what you draw during the status phase cannot be used on the upcoming agenda phase, only subsequent ones. This rule was put into place so as not to delay the status phase. If we did it the second way, it would mean that status phase would have 2 rounds - one where people do their status updates then another one where people decide whether or not they want to play riders/vetoes/abilities, etc. My goal was to keep the status phase down to one round to expedite. So, action cards you draw during the status phase cannot be used for the next agenda phase (unless you have an action card that affects the results of the agenda phase such as Confusing Legal Text or Bribery), only after it!

Yes that's clear. What I was questioning was when you needed to discard action cards, from what you've said it's option 1. Thanks for the clarification

[Tattersail_]

Galactic Council, on 05 November 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 04 November 2019 - 08:06 PM, said:

I forget how we ruled action cards and riders.

Did we say action cards are drawn after we play riders etc to avoid the situation where everyone is waiting for action cards and then playing riders?

Basically if i draw over 7 in the status phase, can i play riders already in my hand at the same time to reduce the number i have in hand?

Ie is it
I have 6 in hand, including one rider, i draw 2, play the rider and end the status phase with 7.

Or

I have 6 in hand, including one rider, i draw 2, discard 1 as I'm over the 7 card limit and then play a rider so i end the status phase with 6?

I think we are playing the first variant as we have been playing that riders are played simultaneously with the draw so drawn riders can't be used, but I'm not 100% as I've never been in the situation where i might need to discard an action card.

You can only use what is in your hand at the beginning of the Status Phase on the upcoming agenda phase. That means that what you draw during the status phase cannot be used on the upcoming agenda phase, only subsequent ones. This rule was put into place so as not to delay the status phase. If we did it the second way, it would mean that status phase would have 2 rounds - one where people do their status updates then another one where people decide whether or not they want to play riders/vetoes/abilities, etc. My goal was to keep the status phase down to one round to expedite. So, action cards you draw during the status phase cannot be used for the next agenda phase (unless you have an action card that affects the results of the agenda phase such as Confusing Legal Text or Bribery), only after it!

So in this instance, you choose to play the rider or not before you receive action cards.

[Morgoth]

Imperial Historian, on 05 November 2019 - 12:45 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 04 November 2019 - 10:42 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 November 2019 - 09:19 AM, said:

Actually depends a bit on morgoth... Are you after tura nora?

Ah, yes. I am.

Sorry, I figured I had to post my orders no matter. I couldn't keep up the game any further.

Morgoth are you intending to remain in tura nora and continue expanding in this area? I thought you had agreed to attack rex? I had planned to move in this turn, and still may to dislodge you without reassurances as this area is clearly within my sphere of influence.

I didn’t have what it takes to take MR, nor to hold it. But I do need Tura Nora for an objective. As you can see from the quality of the fleet though, I have little chance of expanding further in that direction.

[Galactic Council]

Imperial Historian, on 05 November 2019 - 03:20 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 05 November 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 04 November 2019 - 08:06 PM, said:

I forget how we ruled action cards and riders.

Did we say action cards are drawn after we play riders etc to avoid the situation where everyone is waiting for action cards and then playing riders?

Basically if i draw over 7 in the status phase, can i play riders already in my hand at the same time to reduce the number i have in hand?

Ie is it
I have 6 in hand, including one rider, i draw 2, play the rider and end the status phase with 7.

Or

I have 6 in hand, including one rider, i draw 2, discard 1 as I'm over the 7 card limit and then play a rider so i end the status phase with 6?

I think we are playing the first variant as we have been playing that riders are played simultaneously with the draw so drawn riders can't be used, but I'm not 100% as I've never been in the situation where i might need to discard an action card.

You can only use what is in your hand at the beginning of the Status Phase on the upcoming agenda phase. That means that what you draw during the status phase cannot be used on the upcoming agenda phase, only subsequent ones. This rule was put into place so as not to delay the status phase. If we did it the second way, it would mean that status phase would have 2 rounds - one where people do their status updates then another one where people decide whether or not they want to play riders/vetoes/abilities, etc. My goal was to keep the status phase down to one round to expedite. So, action cards you draw during the status phase cannot be used for the next agenda phase (unless you have an action card that affects the results of the agenda phase such as Confusing Legal Text or Bribery), only after it!

Yes that's clear. What I was questioning was when you needed to discard action cards, from what you've said it's option 1. Thanks for the clarification

Correct. If you play a rider during the status phase and thus end up with 7 cards at end of of your status phase turn, no need to discard. IF you do not, thus end up with 8 cards at the end of your status phase turn, you'd need to discard down to 7.

[Galactic Council]

Tattersail_, on 05 November 2019 - 03:21 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 05 November 2019 - 03:11 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 04 November 2019 - 08:06 PM, said:

I forget how we ruled action cards and riders.

Did we say action cards are drawn after we play riders etc to avoid the situation where everyone is waiting for action cards and then playing riders?

Basically if i draw over 7 in the status phase, can i play riders already in my hand at the same time to reduce the number i have in hand?

Ie is it
I have 6 in hand, including one rider, i draw 2, play the rider and end the status phase with 7.

Or

I have 6 in hand, including one rider, i draw 2, discard 1 as I'm over the 7 card limit and then play a rider so i end the status phase with 6?

I think we are playing the first variant as we have been playing that riders are played simultaneously with the draw so drawn riders can't be used, but I'm not 100% as I've never been in the situation where i might need to discard an action card.

You can only use what is in your hand at the beginning of the Status Phase on the upcoming agenda phase. That means that what you draw during the status phase cannot be used on the upcoming agenda phase, only subsequent ones. This rule was put into place so as not to delay the status phase. If we did it the second way, it would mean that status phase would have 2 rounds - one where people do their status updates then another one where people decide whether or not they want to play riders/vetoes/abilities, etc. My goal was to keep the status phase down to one round to expedite. So, action cards you draw during the status phase cannot be used for the next agenda phase (unless you have an action card that affects the results of the agenda phase such as Confusing Legal Text or Bribery), only after it!

So in this instance, you choose to play the rider or not before you receive action cards.

Pretty much - I send action cards out once a player has posted their status phase update. Riders must be played in a status phase update, so you have to decide you're going to play the rider before you receive the new action cards.

Your decision on what to discard if you're over your hand limit will be done in private via your game PM once I've sent your new action cards.

[Jazzarm]

twelve, on 05 November 2019 - 12:52 PM, said:

ToasTer86, on 05 November 2019 - 11:43 AM, said:

This round has been taking really long. I feel like the stalling of leadership really slows game play down.
Everyone must make every move count.

Whoever has tech should stall it else only the Nekro will have any actions this round.

Whoever has trade should give the player holding tech, whoever it is, a free refresh to encourage stalling it a little longer.

Also, I'm interested in Mex this round, but I can give you some time to save your cruisers and spend Mex for Leadership before I make my move. Though I only have 1 tactics token so I can't wait forever.

Whattaya say, wanna bury this hatchet and make a deal?