[Kilava]

It's been a long day guys, and there seems to be a lot of comments to consider.

[Kilava]

People have been pointing out that some haven't been engaging or saying much in their posts, which I think is a fair point. There's also a point to be made that scum is less likely to willfully ruffle any feathers as not to draw any attention. Or they could simply be playing carefully. This the second day, nothing jumps out at me too much as of yet, albeit some interesting pushes going on. I'd like to hear more arguments from people.
As for myself, I'm still leaning towards Sheltatha for previous reasons as they still stand, although I would like GL and Gamelon actually try to contribute something and not just rush in with their hitherto seemingly randomness. For instance Gamelon's vote for Prazec came off very random, as Prazec barely has said anything.

[Barghast]

I'd love you to explain the reasons that still stand, because the entire post in which you cast your vote against Sheltatha is about me. You also use me not voting as an argument, except at this point I have already voted - against you.

Kilava, on 14 August 2019 - 09:09 PM, said:

While I agree that Rikkter has come off a bit aggressive, Sheltatha's vote followed by Barghast defending Sheltatha and also not voting makes me wonder? Even if you disagree with Rikkter's reasoning, there are obviously more than one way of putting pressure, and at least vote for someone you find jumpy, as Barghast called Rikkter. If Barghast had followed that up with a vote, I would have been less suspicious - as it stands he comes off as wanting to derail without committing to anything.

Vote Sheltatha Lore

[Venesara]

I'm current but want to look closer at some stuff later, I should be around till time out or shortly before.

Galayn Lord, on 15 August 2019 - 02:01 PM, said:

Because that's all I felt was worth commenting on at that point - correcting someones understanding before it lead to a balls-up. Gamelon is reading me correctly.

Not only were you fucking wrong about day 1, but you STILL refuse to comment on the game! How are you not dead yet? Another 3 posts after being called out - ALL COAST, NO CONTENT. Not even a casual townie "Hey, I'm busy, sorry guys" post. 10 posts in a row without ever giving an opinion is impressive.

Hard for me to see past this right now so my vote stays for now.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Ok, caught up. I like the reasoning on GL and see very little he has done to change the case against him. Useless townie versus coasting scum.

Let me say (with the risk of changing gameplay from here on out) that paired scum are more likely to do everything they can to be separate from each other and not linkable. If one scum goes down, the other does not want to be connected in any significant way. Thus, I do not think that looking for someone defending another person is all that useful of a strategy in this sort of game (and no, I do not buy that a 10 person game would have a symp).

I think that GL is a good bet for today, but I still want to hear from a few of the other accused alts.

Vote GL

[Kilava]

Barghast, on 15 August 2019 - 07:23 PM, said:

I'd love you to explain the reasons that still stand, because the entire post in which you cast your vote against Sheltatha is about me. You also use me not voting as an argument, except at this point I have already voted - against you.

Kilava, on 14 August 2019 - 09:09 PM, said:

While I agree that Rikkter has come off a bit aggressive, Sheltatha's vote followed by Barghast defending Sheltatha and also not voting makes me wonder? Even if you disagree with Rikkter's reasoning, there are obviously more than one way of putting pressure, and at least vote for someone you find jumpy, as Barghast called Rikkter. If Barghast had followed that up with a vote, I would have been less suspicious - as it stands he comes off as wanting to derail without committing to anything.

Vote Sheltatha Lore

I still find Shelthata's vote and posts suspicious. As you say, you did vote as I wrote that, as I also acknowledged yesterday. But I'm okay with looking at Gamelon for instance, his Prazec vote came off as grasping things from thin air - quite literally since Prazec hasn't said much at all. At least I would expect a better argument for a vote like that.

[Gamelon]

Kilava, on 15 August 2019 - 07:17 PM, said:

People have been pointing out that some haven't been engaging or saying much in their posts, which I think is a fair point. There's also a point to be made that scum is less likely to willfully ruffle any feathers as not to draw any attention. Or they could simply be playing carefully. This the second day, nothing jumps out at me too much as of yet, albeit some interesting pushes going on. I'd like to hear more arguments from people.
As for myself, I'm still leaning towards Sheltatha for previous reasons as they still stand, although I would like GL and Gamelon actually try to contribute something and not just rush in with their hitherto seemingly randomness. For instance Gamelon's vote for Prazec came off very random, as Prazec barely has said anything.

When you know, you know. You know? Why belabour the point when I’ve already made it? I believe PG is scum. If you don’t, so be it. But I think others have now said that they also didn’t like the way PG just came on and pointed lots of fingers, so it’s not like a lone crazy man shouting into the wind.

You think it’s random because it’s not part of the Kilava Rikkter Barghast Sheltatha blah blah blah. Well, sorry about it, but as soon as I see something which I consider outright scummy from there I’ll let you know. At the moment I see it from PG.


Edit: Added Barghast Sheltatha.

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 15 August 2019 - 07:34 PM

[Galayn Lord]

Yeah RL is busy (12 hours out the house for work, 4 hours sleep, remainder with kids) but I'm not using that as an excuse because I have been popping in when I can. You don't like it? Fine. Here you go.

Vote Galayn Lord

Now think on your D3 plan before someone hammers.

[Kilava]

Gamelon, on 15 August 2019 - 07:33 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 August 2019 - 07:17 PM, said:

People have been pointing out that some haven't been engaging or saying much in their posts, which I think is a fair point. There's also a point to be made that scum is less likely to willfully ruffle any feathers as not to draw any attention. Or they could simply be playing carefully. This the second day, nothing jumps out at me too much as of yet, albeit some interesting pushes going on. I'd like to hear more arguments from people.
As for myself, I'm still leaning towards Sheltatha for previous reasons as they still stand, although I would like GL and Gamelon actually try to contribute something and not just rush in with their hitherto seemingly randomness. For instance Gamelon's vote for Prazec came off very random, as Prazec barely has said anything.

When you know, you know. You know? Why belabour the point when I’ve already made it? I believe PG is scum. If you don’t, so be it. But I think others have now said that they also didn’t like the way PG just came on and pointed lots of fingers, so it’s not like a lone crazy man shouting into the wind.

You think it’s random because it’s not part of the Kilava Rikkter blah blah blah. Well, sorry about it, but as soon as I see something which I consider outright scummy from there I’ll let you know. At the moment I see it from PG.

I acknowledge that there are a lot of ways to comes off scummy, but I would at least expect some actual arguments? If you're saying Prazec is pointing fingers, you have to be a bit more specific, since a lot of people is pointing fingers at this point. Case in point.

[Rikkter]

Galayn Lord, on 15 August 2019 - 07:36 PM, said:

Yeah RL is busy (12 hours out the house for work, 4 hours sleep, remainder with kids) but I'm not using that as an excuse because I have been popping in when I can. You don't like it? Fine. Here you go.

Vote Galayn Lord

Now think on your D3 plan before someone hammers.

Now that’s just downright lazy. If you don’t have time, you could have asked to be subbed.

[Gait]

I'm going to

Remove vote

For now, just to avoid any accidental speed lynch. I'll put it back in a few hours before I go to sleep. The self-vote just convinces me further that it's a good lynch because to me it still avoids the main issue. The issue to me isn't how busy you are or how frequently you post - as you say you've been popping in fine - but rather what you choose to post about (or don't).

[Prazec Goul]

The self vote only makes me want to lynch someone else. Is it a viable tactic for scum to vote themselves to derail their train. I've done it once in the past and it worked but I also put a lot more effort in that game. GL maybe just asking us to get on with it hoping we'd look better from d3 onwards but it's not in our interest to lynch town. If he's town he's sabotaging our chances of winning but if he is scum then he's going against the rules and sacrificing himself for no reason. It's a bit of a dilemma.

[Prazec Goul]

I agree with Gait to some extent, it's not the time you put in, it's the effort but it's a bit of a cop out self voting like that.

[Prazec Goul]

When is timeout? I'll be going to bed soon.

[Kilava]

Galayn Lord, on 15 August 2019 - 07:36 PM, said:

Yeah RL is busy (12 hours out the house for work, 4 hours sleep, remainder with kids) but I'm not using that as an excuse because I have been popping in when I can. You don't like it? Fine. Here you go.

Vote Galayn Lord

Now think on your D3 plan before someone hammers.

If this is an attempt at reverse psychology, it's the worst.

[Barghast]

Hate when people do this. I never know how to read this. Is it a really bad town play or desperate scum?

Anyway, no one has voted for an alternative to Galayn yet and I feel like applying more pressure elsewhere might give us some information. I'm getting scum vibes from Kilava and Gamelon so for the moment I'm going to stick to my D1 case. Kilava encouraging Rikkter stinks and their hard-on for Sheltatha comes out of nowhere.

I will be back in an hour or two to check if anything interesting happened.

vote Kilava

[Barghast]

Prazec Goul, on 15 August 2019 - 08:47 PM, said:

When is timeout? I'll be going to bed soon.

13h if I'm counting right.

[Gait]

Prazec Goul, on 15 August 2019 - 08:47 PM, said:

When is timeout? I'll be going to bed soon.

I think it's around 13 hours from now.

[Kilava]

Barghast, on 15 August 2019 - 08:54 PM, said:

Hate when people do this. I never know how to read this. Is it a really bad town play or desperate scum?

Anyway, no one has voted for an alternative to Galayn yet and I feel like applying more pressure elsewhere might give us some information. I'm getting scum vibes from Kilava and Gamelon so for the moment I'm going to stick to my D1 case. Kilava encouraging Rikkter stinks and their hard-on for Sheltatha comes out of nowhere.

I will be back in an hour or two to check if anything interesting happened.

vote Kilava

You stick to your D1 case while saying I'm scummy for doing the same? Really? That's some lazy ass voting my friend.

[Kilava]

My current theory is that Barghast could be defending Gamelon by doing some distancing by calling them scummy but then choosing someone else 'safe' to vote for. Quite brilliant if true. Gamelon has been doing some weird voting as I've noted in earlier posts. This situation could give us useful information - but yes it's also possible Barghast is trying to muddy the waters. And since I have to go soon.

Vote Gamelon