[Jalan]

Hanas, on 24 July 2019 - 08:49 PM, said:

Jalan, on 24 July 2019 - 08:46 PM, said:

Hanas, on 24 July 2019 - 08:44 PM, said:

Kalse, on 22 July 2019 - 06:22 PM, said:

Looks like we have Arantha the symp on screen

His next post - commenting on Aranatha's vote for him, even though it's clearly another joke vote, possibly signaling back and forth to each other.

Signalling back and forth?

Yeah, what would you call it? I'm saying they could be in league with each other.

I understand

Also understand the forth part

But don't see why would a killer bother signalling back

[Hanas]

Jalan, on 24 July 2019 - 08:50 PM, said:

Hanas, on 24 July 2019 - 08:49 PM, said:

Jalan, on 24 July 2019 - 08:46 PM, said:

Hanas, on 24 July 2019 - 08:44 PM, said:

Kalse, on 22 July 2019 - 06:22 PM, said:

Looks like we have Arantha the symp on screen

His next post - commenting on Aranatha's vote for him, even though it's clearly another joke vote, possibly signaling back and forth to each other.

Signalling back and forth?

Yeah, what would you call it? I'm saying they could be in league with each other.

I understand

Also understand the forth part

But don't see why would a killer bother signalling back

For fun? Their play seems stupid to me, but I've seen stupider.

[Jalan]

You'll surely forgive me if I don't find that one particularly convincing, but I can't argue the last part

[Hanas]

Jalan, on 24 July 2019 - 08:56 PM, said:

You'll surely forgive me if I don't find that one particularly convincing, but I can't argue the last part

The more interesting part is the tie between Fanderay and Kalse. Fanderay followed up Kalse's vote on Tennes without having any reason to do so or offering a reason - except Kalse had voted for Tennes before him.
That's enough for me to sit up straight and pay attention. Especially considering the origin of the Tennes vote train. I've been a symp enough times to know what it's like when your killer votes and you have to follow what they do. As they say - what isn't there is just as important, maybe even more, than what is visible.

[Jalan]

Hanas, on 24 July 2019 - 09:01 PM, said:

Jalan, on 24 July 2019 - 08:56 PM, said:

You'll surely forgive me if I don't find that one particularly convincing, but I can't argue the last part

The more interesting part is the tie between Fanderay and Kalse. Fanderay followed up Kalse's vote on Tennes without having any reason to do so or offering a reason - except Kalse had voted for Tennes before him.
That's enough for me to sit up straight and pay attention. Especially considering the origin of the Tennes vote train. I've been a symp enough times to know what it's like when your killer votes and you have to follow what they do. As they say - what isn't there is just as important, maybe even more, than what is visible.

Uhh except Kalse didn't vote for Tennes before Fanderay?
Kalse voted for you and never changed the vote...

[Jalan]

I mean you pulled the timeline of their posts yourself just a couple minutes ago

Talk about finding stuff just to latch onto

I think I like where my vote is sitting currently

[Hanas]

Jalan, on 24 July 2019 - 09:19 PM, said:

Hanas, on 24 July 2019 - 09:01 PM, said:

Jalan, on 24 July 2019 - 08:56 PM, said:

You'll surely forgive me if I don't find that one particularly convincing, but I can't argue the last part

The more interesting part is the tie between Fanderay and Kalse. Fanderay followed up Kalse's vote on Tennes without having any reason to do so or offering a reason - except Kalse had voted for Tennes before him.
That's enough for me to sit up straight and pay attention. Especially considering the origin of the Tennes vote train. I've been a symp enough times to know what it's like when your killer votes and you have to follow what they do. As they say - what isn't there is just as important, maybe even more, than what is visible.

Uhh except Kalse didn't vote for Tennes before Fanderay?
Kalse voted for you and never changed the vote...

What are you on about, kalse's vote on tennes is literally the first vote in the thread. He changed it to me (which technically wasn't a correct vote, because he didn't write 'remove vote' he wrote 'invite vote', which was weird, but ok, typo, wahtever), but he did start the train, as I said.

Now you're making stuff up? Are you serious?

[Hanas]

I almost have a mind to change my vote to you Jalan, after that stunt. But I'm not going to get baited, because either you made an honest mistake, or you are purposefully making yourself a target to remove the target from Kalse.

[Jalan]

That makes a little more sense, tho little meant literally

Still there's no obligation for a symp to just follow the votes of their master, Fande then could have just as well voted for you

But they didn't because that wasn't the convenient train right, but no symp in Fande's position would need any signals from their master to place the vote on Tennes, for a symp in that situation voting for Tennes would be as close to a nobrainer as it gets to D1, the convenience of the train itself is more than sufficient reason to place a vote on it for a symp

[Jalan]

You're just reaching so far that what you reach for is out of my sight and it appears fabricated out of thin air to my eyes

[Hanas]

Jalan, on 24 July 2019 - 09:55 PM, said:

You're just reaching so far that what you reach for is out of my sight and it appears fabricated out of thin air to my eyes

Haha no you're the one that is reaching my dude. I never said a symp has to vote as their master, but they're very likely to, also there is a possibility that Kalse's post contained a code that actually did force the symp to vote as him. Just saying. But I can't say for sure what made them vote the way they did, maybe they just voted randomly, since they're scum, they can do that. What I do observe is the pattern of Kalse, which is very scummy indeed. Shoot and run is definitely something scum do on regular basis. The fact that you think my reasoning is more reaching than their fucking random votes is insane. That says a lot about you dude. You're digging your own grave with that.

[Jalan]

Back and forth signalling and coded commands from killers to their symp at the beginning of day 1 and I'm the one reaching

Symp is likely to follow their master
But any symp in Fanderay's situation is almost guaranteed to vote for Tennes regardless of their master's actions

And yes early day 1 votes usually tend to be a bit random

Yes in a way ofcourse Kalse's behaviour is scummy, it's not productive at all etc etc and if town they're doing a bad job on thread, but they'd hardly be the first one to play a town game in similar manner would they, hey ho HO

I'm not even against voting for Kalse per se, but I gotta call out your reaches and I think there are causes likelier to yield positive results this day

[Hanas]

Jalan, on 24 July 2019 - 10:26 PM, said:

Back and forth signalling and coded commands from killers to their symp at the beginning of day 1 and I'm the one reaching

Symp is likely to follow their master
But any symp in Fanderay's situation is almost guaranteed to vote for Tennes regardless of their master's actions

And yes early day 1 votes usually tend to be a bit random

Yes in a way ofcourse Kalse's behaviour is scummy, it's not productive at all etc etc and if town they're doing a bad job on thread, but they'd hardly be the first one to play a town game in similar manner would they, hey ho HO

I'm not even against voting for Kalse per se, but I gotta call out your reaches and I think there are causes likelier to yield positive results this day

You're agreeing with me, and then saying I'm reaching? How am I reaching? All I've done is pointing out possibly scummy behavior, while you're voting on me for no reason at all. Glad to hear you're not against voting for Kalse though. Although I'd like to see you back that up with a vote change aswell. If you have other better 'causes' then why don't you explain which ones and vote for any of them? A vote for me is literally a waste, since I'm innocent, and quite obviously innocent aswell.

[Hanas]

It seems to me the only reason you're saying I'm 'reaching' is because I'm calling out Kalse. Doesn't look good man.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 9 hours and 5 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Aranatha, Fanderay, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Merrid, Okaros, Osseric

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Fanderay ( Merrid )
1 Vote for Kalse ( Hanas )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Jalan )

Players not voted: Aranatha, Fanderay, Kalse, Okaros, Osseric

[Osseric]

Hanas said:

1563953003[/url]' post='1379222']

Osseric said:

1563940530[/url]' post='1379207']

Hanas said:

1563917658[/url]' post='1379178']
Well, I can't imagine anyone is surprised by that outcome. Now, if we vote Osseric, we'll be half done, or close to it. Kalse is a close second for me. I'd vote for either one gladly. Their arguments for voting, and they way they both jump on people is quite scummy indeed. You can tell by the way they write and the tone of their posts. Although I'm open to hear any ideas you guys have, if you have a better idea. But I don't see it honestly.
There's a difference between poking and constructing an accusation that's very convenient. Lets see - what do you got to say to your defense?

Edit: forgot a word.

My hardon for Tennes was based mostly on my perception that you really, really wanted the vote to go anywhere but him. That looked symp to me. However, since he was town that now looks much less suspicious.
I'm off to bed.

No, the only reason I didn't vote for him at first was because it was a retarded vote. I can think for myself you know. But clearly it back fired. I'd say the actual Scum is Kalse and anyone of the first 5 votes on Tennes is most likely a symp. Osseric is most likely a scum or symp IMO. He accused me for no reason, then didn't vote for me at all. Kalse is just mad I'm outing him as scum. So many hurt scum feelings.

Of course I didn’t vote for you. I thought you were symping tennes.

[Osseric]

Jalan said:

1563947180[/url]' post='1379211']

Osseric said:

1563940530[/url]' post='1379207']

Hanas said:

1563917658[/url]' post='1379178']
Well, I can't imagine anyone is surprised by that outcome. Now, if we vote Osseric, we'll be half done, or close to it. Kalse is a close second for me. I'd vote for either one gladly. Their arguments for voting, and they way they both jump on people is quite scummy indeed. You can tell by the way they write and the tone of their posts. Although I'm open to hear any ideas you guys have, if you have a better idea. But I don't see it honestly.
There's a difference between poking and constructing an accusation that's very convenient. Lets see - what do you got to say to your defense?

Edit: forgot a word.

My hardon for Tennes was based mostly on my perception that you really, really wanted the vote to go anywhere but him. That looked symp to me. However, since he was town that now looks much less suspicious.
I'm off to bed.

What gave you the impression?

To me Hanas' play seemed fairly reactive, but I'm not saying the two are mutually exclusive, the difference mostly lies in the motivation

See below. To me it looked as if he really didn't want to see Tennes lynched. To the point that it appeared that he would rather a no-lynch. Tennes turned out to be town so not much point to my suspicion.

Hanas said:

1563893673[/url]' post='1379092']
Ridiculous vote Aranatha, they were clearly poking while your vote serves no purpose whatsoever. And nothing 'can be proved' at this point.

Osseric said:

1563904095[/url]' post='1379121']

Hanas said:

1563902701[/url]' post='1379114']

Osseric said:

1563901424[/url]' post='1379108']
Harder to muddy waters with people missing off trains?

I don't like these. I'd vote for Hanas if we had more time. I'll lay a vote in 45 minutes before I go back to doing actually important stuff. At the moment it'll be tennes.

You know aswell as I do that you gotta poke people in Mafia to get some results, and it's hard to do when people don't show up. One person's muddy water is another's poke stick. Only scum would try to use simple and well known essential tactics as an excuse to call scum. Veeeeery suspicious, especially since you're not making any decisions yourself. I'll vote of tennes if time runs out, but for now:

remove vote

vote Osseric

Going to start another train with 2 and a quarter hours to go?

Hanas said:

1563905098[/url]' post='1379124']
Besides, I'm not even sure why we're voting for Tennes - everyone's been poking, some with way more suspicious behavior.

Hanas said:

1563912387[/url]' post='1379157']

Fanderay said:

1563912312[/url]' post='1379155']

Hanas said:

1563912042[/url]' post='1379153']

Osseric said:

1563911708[/url]' post='1379147']

Hanas said:

1563911652[/url]' post='1379146']
Unless more people show up, we won't be able to lynch today.

So you'd rather a no-lynch than vote Tennes?

I already said I'm prepared to vote Tennes, but we don't have the votes, so what does it matter?

How do you know we don't have them?

I mean technically we don't - if we get 6 votes on Tennes, I'll finish it off. Otherwise, don't fucking tell me what to do.

[Osseric]

Hanas said:

1564001050[/url]' post='1379352']
Okay, lets observe the journey of Kalse so far, shall we?

Kalse said:

1563802784[/url]' post='1378950']
vote tennesIn with the joke voting strategy already.Classic scum move

He was the first to vote Tennes, and it was a ridiculous vote, the first page as it were. A joke vote for Tennes making a joke? Ok sure.

Kalse said:

1563819769[/url]' post='1378989']
Looks like we have Arantha the symp on screen

His next post - commenting on Aranatha's vote for him, even though it's clearly another joke vote, possibly signaling back and forth to each other.

Kalse said:

1563828892[/url]' post='1379020']

Hanas said:

1563827180[/url]' post='1379016']

Merrid said:

1563826989[/url]' post='1379015']

Skintick said:

1563826796[/url]' post='1379013']Who pee'd in the water?

Everyone

Your voices don't count as everyone - you're still technically just one fish.

HmmmThis feels like a misspeak. Calling him a fish as he's different than you eh Mr shark? inviteVote Hana's

Another ridiculous reach in reasoning, even though I'm biased. Still joking? I can hear the 'why so serious' in the Joker's voice in my mind as I read that. Anyone with a brain can tell I was just replacing 'man' with 'fish' in that sentence, so either he's being ridiculous on purpose or he's acting stupid to rile up people. Suspicious.

Tennes said:

1563872206[/url]' post='1379058']
6 hours left, has anyone not checked in yet?Vote Kalse

Curiously, Tennes was the first serious vote for Kalse - I think Aranatha's vote was just in the try out stage, and for comedy, possibly. Either way, Tennes made the vote count 2, so a serious threat to any scum.

Fanderay said:

1563880167[/url]' post='1379061']
Having seen neither Finding Nemo or Baby Shark (I kid you not, although I am aware of the generalities) I remain immune to the attempts by Skintick and Merrid at driving the shoal to distraction.

Tennes said:

1563872206[/url]' post='1379058']6 hours left, has anyone not checked in yet?Vote Kalse

Tennes can't count.Vote TennesAlso, checking in

Interestingly, here's Fanderay stomping in with a vote on Tennes, with no argument or reasoning whatsoever. Not being able to count is not an argument, it's bullshit. The tie to Kalse here is almost provable. Why did he vote for Tennes? Any reason at all?

Kalse said:

1563882030[/url]' post='1379073']
Checking in,At work, will be at laptop at lunch time

Ok Kalse, way to add to the discussion. Wanna expand on that?

Kalse said:

1563943083[/url]' post='1379209']
Hana's the shark do do, do do do do

As I know there's no reason to think I'm scum, this just reeks. It just reeks, I tell ya! I'm gonna point it out now, in case I get lynched, so you all KNOW I pointed it out for you. Because damn, is he being obvious. Do you even have an argument for that eh, kalse? No? Didn't think so.

You do have a point about fandy there.

[Osseric]

Hanas, I’m going to follow you on Kalse because you’re not going to get off him until he’s gone and because he’s fast approaching modkill. Better to lynch him than that.
Vote Kalse

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 2 hours and 32 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Aranatha, Fanderay, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Merrid, Okaros, Osseric

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Fanderay ( Merrid )
2 Votes for Kalse ( Hanas, Osseric )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Jalan )

Players not voted: Aranatha, Fanderay, Kalse, Okaros