[nacht]

Nicodimas, on 22 May 2019 - 05:34 AM, said:

Wow was this ever a terrible ending to a show.

Glad we got the books.

Glad we have Hollywood and will get a

Game of thrones: Brotherhood.


Alternatively I console myself thinking

Arya goes west to find west world.

Hollywood and GRRM.
You are setting yourself you for more disappointment (or maybe you were being sarcastic).

Mr.Erikson, please give us Shadow so that we can move past all this.

[Tiste Simeon]

Yeah thinking that the books will ever be finished is just asking for disappointment.

[Gorefest]

Well, the next one is mostly in place, so one way or another that one will get published at some point, even if it is posthumously. Then whomever holds the rights will doubtlessly get another writer in to finish off the last one. There is a fair bit of money in this franchise, whether GRRM himself wants it directly or not.

[Cause]

Tiste Simeon, on 22 May 2019 - 07:55 AM, said:

Yeah thinking that the books will ever be finished is just asking for disappointment.

I am thinking of assembling a strike team, membership is entirely voluntary of course but I have some ideas. Essentially however we have one mission, kidnap important writers and encourage them to finish. GRRM martin clearly requires some motivation and perhaps a health intervention, forced diet and exercise. Butcher can see his family again when peace talks is done and not before.

Tiste- Your knowledge of law enforcement will help us frustrate law enforcements efforts to capture us
Nico- We may need guns and definitely a bunker
Abyss- Worse case scenario we need you to eat their brains and finish the books for them
Quicktidal- We don't know how they should end but we know how they shouldn't, your job is to prevent the bad endings. Argue until they see reason

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

TRB: Can successfully handle a range of very intimidating birds of prey, to be placed in eye line of said authors and be considered "gentle encouragement".

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[Maark Abbott]

Cause, on 22 May 2019 - 09:43 AM, said:

Tiste Simeon, on 22 May 2019 - 07:55 AM, said:

Yeah thinking that the books will ever be finished is just asking for disappointment.

I am thinking of assembling a strike team, membership is entirely voluntary of course but I have some ideas. Essentially however we have one mission, kidnap important writers and encourage them to finish. GRRM martin clearly requires some motivation and perhaps a health intervention, forced diet and exercise. Butcher can see his family again when peace talks is done and not before.

Tiste- Your knowledge of law enforcement will help us frustrate law enforcements efforts to capture us
Nico- We may need guns and definitely a bunker
Abyss- Worse case scenario we need you to eat their brains and finish the books for them
Quicktidal- We don't know how they should end but we know how they shouldn't, your job is to prevent the bad endings. Argue until they see reason

I don't need encouragement, just head pats.

[Gorefest]

Cause, on 22 May 2019 - 09:43 AM, said:

Tiste- Your knowledge of law enforcement will help us frustrate law enforcements efforts to capture us

So essentially the first thing that jumps to mind for you when trying to plan an illicit kidnap ploy is to recruit a policeman into the fold because 'they know the law'? That ranks pretty high up the list of 'kidnap non-noes' in my book, probably right underneath announcing your fiendish scheme on a public forum for all the world to see and record for posterity.


So I won't declare any support for this and I publicly denounce such heinous activities. Happy to catch up over a beer sometime though to discuss totally unrelated ideas and suggestions I may have which are not at all even remotely relevant to any kidnap or whom to target and how to hide the bodies. There will be no bodies. Nobody can prove anything. I didn't even write this.

[Abyss]

...brainzzzzzzzzzzzezzz....


In other news, watched the finale.


DANY - i'm left divided on this.... Zany Tary' Dany was a logical place for her storyline to go, but i feel like they didn't give it enough build, so i'm left unsatisfied but not fan-angry.

JON - well, it took pretty much the entire series but he finally won a fight. meh. I did like how his exile to the Nights Watch turned to a re-union with Ghost and departure to join the Wildlings tho'.

SANSA - am totally satisfied with this end to her story. also, "Uncle, sit the fuck down and shut up" was wonderful.

ARYA - same. more than satisfied actually, i love the notion of her as master explorer.

TYRION - same. he gets a chance to get it right, after making such a mess of it the last time he was the King's Hand.

SAM - same. tho i'm reasonably certain the whole 'vows of chastity' thing doesn't apply.

BRONN - same, plus laughing myself silly.

BRAN - meh. nothing about Bran's plotline makes me buy his being made King, and it makes the whole 'The North Stays Independent' thing make no sense because wouldn't Ned Stark's kid becoming King of Westeros be considered a win? meh.

BRIENNE - all good.

DAVOS - same.

GREY WORM - fine.


DROGON - Melting the throne made no sense whatsoever, it was unnecessary drama verging on silly, especially since they could so easily have given him a valid reason to do it. Otherwise Big D he dominated every scene he was in. The Dany-dragon-wings thing was utterly contrived but Drogon is such a great actor that he made it work.



....so on the balance i am satisfied. Not as blown away as i really wanted to be, but not signing any stupid petitions either.

If we never ever see the end of the books (tho i would bet solid money that the next book will out within a year of GRRM's eventual death, but probably not before then) i can live with having seen this end of this story.

[QuickTidal]

Well this is brilliant.

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[worry]

This show at its worst was never as bad as Westworld at its best. It has at least that.


And I've been thinking about Drogon...even though it was on the nose, and kinda goofy, and something of a minor 'twist' with no buildup...I think in the end it just means the dragons were smarter than we thought. They're not Smaug smart, but they're not just beasts of burden, or large lizard-cats, etc. And why wouldn't they be? Just cuz they don't speak human language? It doesn't even require Drogon to fully understand symbolism as a human would though -- it could just be that he knew from his supernatural connection to his mother that the throne was an obsession.

[Abyss]

worry, on 22 May 2019 - 06:26 PM, said:

...
And I've been thinking about Drogon...even though it was on the nose, and kinda goofy, and something of a minor 'twist' with no buildup...I think in the end it just means the dragons were smarter than we thought. They're not Smaug smart, but they're not just beasts of burden, or large lizard-cats, etc. And why wouldn't they be? Just cuz they don't speak human language? It doesn't even require Drogon to fully understand symbolism as a human would though -- it could just be that he knew from his supernatural connection to his mother that the throne was an obsession.

It's as good an explanation as we're likely to get, just not really supported by anything in the show. If Drogon were as smart as that, he probably would have bbq'd Jon too.

[Tiste Simeon]

You mean Drogdor the Burninator? The throne was just the precursor to him burninating the countryside, peasants and THATCH ROOF COTTAGES!!!

[polishgenius]

Abyss, on 22 May 2019 - 06:38 PM, said:

It's as good an explanation as we're likely to get, just not really supported by anything in the show. If Drogon were as smart as that, he probably would have bbq'd Jon too.

Yeah, so much of the problem with this finale isn't what happened but how it was made to happen. You can justify and handwave just about everything, we just shouldn't have to.


Although in this particular instance I do think that Drogon burning the throne was ham-handed symbolism of the worst sort.

[worry]

To me, it was ham-handed symbolism of the goofy-but-I-liked-it-anyway-est sort.

[Abyss]

It wasn't entirely eye-rolling, but mostly.

[worry]

If anyone's still interested in a longer take on S8 (<10 minutes, but still), I thought this was an interesting angle: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-real-reason-fans-hate-the-last-season-of-game-of-thrones/

[Serenity]

[amphibian]

worry, on 22 May 2019 - 06:26 PM, said:

This show at its worst was never as bad as Westworld at its best. It has at least that.

I actually think Westworld was better than GoT in several spots. However, it was frequently worse.

What it hasn't done yet is completely rewrite a character to stop caring about what they care about or smash events so closer together that they become nonsense. That happened a bunch in GoT and I genuinely think it's because the show runners don't have the same sociological viewpoint of the story they're trying to tell as Martin does or the Westworld show runners do.

[nacht]

worry, on 22 May 2019 - 07:47 PM, said:

To me, it was ham-handed symbolism of the goofy-but-I-liked-it-anyway-est sort.

When I saw it the first time, it seemed that he started wanting to burn Jon, changed his mind, moved his head and burned the throne by accident, and the director made a show of the symbolism.
Never occurred to to me that Drogon thought through all this.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

worry, on 22 May 2019 - 06:26 PM, said:

And I've been thinking about Drogon...even though it was on the nose, and kinda goofy, and something of a minor 'twist' with no buildup...I think in the end it just means the dragons were smarter than we thought. They're not Smaug smart, but they're not just beasts of burden, or large lizard-cats, etc. And why wouldn't they be? Just cuz they don't speak human language? It doesn't even require Drogon to fully understand symbolism as a human would though -- it could just be that he knew from his supernatural connection to his mother that the throne was an obsession.