[Imperial Historian]

Twelve if imperial comes round to me I'm picking it. I'm the extremely unlikely event morgoth doesn't pick it first...

[Itwæs Nom]

twelve, on 07 May 2019 - 05:02 PM, said:

So switch your pick and I'll give you my trade agreement pn.

Imperial Historian, on 07 May 2019 - 05:11 PM, said:

Twelve if imperial comes round to me I'm picking it. I'm the extremely unlikely event morgoth doesn't pick it first...

Yeah, thought you'd want to use your racial for the switch?

[Imperial Historian]

And since I'm unlikely to get a refresh for trade unless the resources don't go to me... Nom I'd offer you my trade agreement to pick and keep imperial as otherwise morgoth is going to pick it and win!

[Itwæs Nom]

Itwæs Nom, on 07 May 2019 - 05:16 PM, said:

twelve, on 07 May 2019 - 05:02 PM, said:

So switch your pick and I'll give you my trade agreement pn.

Imperial Historian, on 07 May 2019 - 05:11 PM, said:

Twelve if imperial comes round to me I'm picking it. I'm the extremely unlikely event morgoth doesn't pick it first...

Yeah, thought you'd want to use your racial for the switch?

Yeah but then trade isn't guaranteed to be left either

[Itwæs Nom]

Imperial Historian, on 07 May 2019 - 05:16 PM, said:

And since I'm unlikely to get a refresh for trade unless the resources don't go to me... Nom I'd offer you my trade agreement to pick and keep imperial as otherwise morgoth is going to pick it and win!

Well unless twelve comes up with some feasible strategy for him to get imperial and me trade and his pn I will accept i guess

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 07 May 2019 - 05:11 PM, said:

Twelve if imperial comes round to me I'm picking it. I'm the extremely unlikely event morgoth doesn't pick it first...

Why? It does you no good. You have CT tokens for days (because of your trade good situation) so even getting a new secret objective shouldn't be that hard. I figured you would want construction with Tatts having the destroy pds action card or diplomacy to protect your home world over Imperial.

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 07 May 2019 - 05:16 PM, said:

And since I'm unlikely to get a refresh for trade unless the resources don't go to me... Nom I'd offer you my trade agreement to pick and keep imperial as otherwise morgoth is going to pick it and win!

He is not If Morgoth picks Imperial I would attack him as my first action and take even more planets off of him. He knows that so will likely take a low initiative strategy card so he goes before me and kick me off of the planets I took from him last round. Also Gnaw took politics as he finally realized the POS he needs to win actually happened so will likely also work to stop Morgoth this round as well.

[twelve]

Well Nom go ahead and keep Imperial. If by some miracle trade makes it to me I'll give you my racial so we can swap and my trade agreement on your first turn to finish the trade. But just know by taking Imperial you won't score any points off of Imperial by owning Rex.

[Gnaw]

D, on 07 May 2019 - 03:23 AM, said:

Ooo politics. Gnaw, since I'm right before you in strategy order I'll definitely be interested in trading you something in exchange for making me speaker, and I'll not pick whatever SC you want. Like, say, my research PN (helps getting the technology PO).

Light/Wave Deflector
3 votes placed when and where I say.
And a freebie on PDS fire should I decide to appropriate your destroyer in the asteroid field.

IH, should she agree I’d appreciate you taking the commodity rather than a TG.

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 07 May 2019 - 09:08 PM

[D'rek]

twelve, on 07 May 2019 - 05:50 PM, said:

Well Nom go ahead and keep Imperial. If by some miracle trade makes it to me I'll give you my racial so we can swap and my trade agreement on your first turn to finish the trade.

Isn't your racial only useable in the strategy phase? How are you going to trade it in the first round of the action phase and then use it?

[D'rek]

Gnaw, on 07 May 2019 - 09:04 PM, said:

D, on 07 May 2019 - 03:23 AM, said:

Ooo politics. Gnaw, since I'm right before you in strategy order I'll definitely be interested in trading you something in exchange for making me speaker, and I'll not pick whatever SC you want. Like, say, my research PN (helps getting the technology PO).

Light/Wave Deflector
3 votes placed when and where I say.
And a freebie on PDS fire should I decide to appropriate your destroyer in the asteroid field.

Hmmm, okay, but with the added caveat that you'll send no more than 2 ships against the destroyer (or only 1 ship if it's a war sun / flagship). More than that looks too much like an invasion force and I can't withhold PDS. Besides, you need to leave 1 behind to blockade IH anyways, right? (Also, note it's a fighter in the asteroid field, not a destroyer.) Deal?

[twelve]

D, on 07 May 2019 - 09:06 PM, said:

twelve, on 07 May 2019 - 05:50 PM, said:

Well Nom go ahead and keep Imperial. If by some miracle trade makes it to me I'll give you my racial so we can swap and my trade agreement on your first turn to finish the trade.

Isn't your racial only useable in the strategy phase? How are you going to trade it in the first round of the action phase and then use it?

It's a moot point now that Nom has to pick something else if he doesn't have a sabotage but I was going to trade him my racial on my turn to select a strategy as I can only trade 1 pn per trade and then was going to give him my trade agreement at the next available opportunity.

[twelve]

IH now that Nom will likely have to pick something else I seem to recall that as part of the deal to attack Morgoth in Rex last round you agreed to not pick Imperial. Are you breaking that deal for just a free secret objective?

[Gnaw]

D, on 07 May 2019 - 09:09 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 07 May 2019 - 09:04 PM, said:

D, on 07 May 2019 - 03:23 AM, said:

Ooo politics. Gnaw, since I'm right before you in strategy order I'll definitely be interested in trading you something in exchange for making me speaker, and I'll not pick whatever SC you want. Like, say, my research PN (helps getting the technology PO).

Light/Wave Deflector
3 votes placed when and where I say.
And a freebie on PDS fire should I decide to appropriate your destroyer in the asteroid field.

Hmmm, okay, but with the added caveat that you'll send no more than 2 ships against the destroyer (or only 1 ship if it's a war sun / flagship). More than that looks too much like an invasion force and I can't withhold PDS. Besides, you need to leave 1 behind to blockade IH anyways, right? (Also, note it's a fighter in the asteroid field, not a destroyer.) Deal?

2 cruisers might not survive IH’s PDS fire. Not certain I want to do that anyways. But deal if I do.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 07 May 2019 - 09:16 PM, said:

D, on 07 May 2019 - 09:06 PM, said:

twelve, on 07 May 2019 - 05:50 PM, said:

Well Nom go ahead and keep Imperial. If by some miracle trade makes it to me I'll give you my racial so we can swap and my trade agreement on your first turn to finish the trade.

Isn't your racial only useable in the strategy phase? How are you going to trade it in the first round of the action phase and then use it?

It's a moot point now that Nom has to pick something else if he doesn't have a sabotage but I was going to trade him my racial on my turn to select a strategy as I can only trade 1 pn per trade and then was going to give him my trade agreement at the next available opportunity.

That doesn't make any sense, though

Strategy Phase
> Nom picks an SC
> Twelve picks an SC
{end of strategy phase} Nom can't use Acquiesence because he doesn't have it yet
Action Phase
> Twelve's turn -> trade Twelve's racial PN to Nom
> Nom's turn -> Nom can't use Acquiesence becauase it's no longer the end of the strategy phase


The timing on the card is quite clear. End of the strategy phase only.

[D'rek]

Gnaw, on 07 May 2019 - 09:26 PM, said:

D, on 07 May 2019 - 09:09 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 07 May 2019 - 09:04 PM, said:

D, on 07 May 2019 - 03:23 AM, said:

Ooo politics. Gnaw, since I'm right before you in strategy order I'll definitely be interested in trading you something in exchange for making me speaker, and I'll not pick whatever SC you want. Like, say, my research PN (helps getting the technology PO).

Light/Wave Deflector
3 votes placed when and where I say.
And a freebie on PDS fire should I decide to appropriate your destroyer in the asteroid field.

Hmmm, okay, but with the added caveat that you'll send no more than 2 ships against the destroyer (or only 1 ship if it's a war sun / flagship). More than that looks too much like an invasion force and I can't withhold PDS. Besides, you need to leave 1 behind to blockade IH anyways, right? (Also, note it's a fighter in the asteroid field, not a destroyer.) Deal?

2 cruisers might not survive IH’s PDS fire. Not certain I want to do that anyways. But deal if I do.

Alright, well let me know. If we are, it'll have to be on your first turn - wait until my first turn or later and Tech might already have been played.

[twelve]

D, on 07 May 2019 - 09:26 PM, said:

twelve, on 07 May 2019 - 09:16 PM, said:

D, on 07 May 2019 - 09:06 PM, said:

twelve, on 07 May 2019 - 05:50 PM, said:

Well Nom go ahead and keep Imperial. If by some miracle trade makes it to me I'll give you my racial so we can swap and my trade agreement on your first turn to finish the trade.

Isn't your racial only useable in the strategy phase? How are you going to trade it in the first round of the action phase and then use it?

It's a moot point now that Nom has to pick something else if he doesn't have a sabotage but I was going to trade him my racial on my turn to select a strategy as I can only trade 1 pn per trade and then was going to give him my trade agreement at the next available opportunity.

That doesn't make any sense, though

Strategy Phase
> Nom picks an SC
> Twelve picks an SC
{end of strategy phase} Nom can't use Acquiesence because he doesn't have it yet
Action Phase
> Twelve's turn -> trade Twelve's racial PN to Nom
> Nom's turn -> Nom can't use Acquiesence becauase it's no longer the end of the strategy phase


The timing on the card is quite clear. End of the strategy phase only.

I can trade during the strategy phase on my turn to pick a strategy. We are neighbors after all.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 07 May 2019 - 09:35 PM, said:

I can trade during the strategy phase on my turn to pick a strategy. We are neighbors after all.

You can't trade during the strategy phase. (Remember, Khell said he wanted to stick to the actual transaction rules closely in this game)

[twelve]

D, on 07 May 2019 - 10:05 PM, said:

twelve, on 07 May 2019 - 09:35 PM, said:

I can trade during the strategy phase on my turn to pick a strategy. We are neighbors after all.

You can't trade during the strategy phase. (Remember, Khell said he wanted to stick to the actual transaction rules closely in this game)

The rules specifically states you can't trade during this phase when you can trade during all the others? That's dumb. I specifically didn't try to make deals during the agenda phase so I could have some leeway to play it by ear during this phase. Are you sure we can't make trades during this phase?

This post has been edited by twelve: 07 May 2019 - 10:18 PM

[D'rek]

twelve, on 07 May 2019 - 10:17 PM, said:

The rules specifically states you can't trade during this phase when you can trade during all the others?

You can't trade during Status Phase either. Nor between phases. Nor when it isn't your turn. Nor during the Agenda Phase when it's not the appropriate time for trading.

Don't think of it as "you can always trade, except during _____". Think of it as "You can never trade, except during ____". And that blank is:

{a} the active player's turn during the action phase
{b} the negotiation step of the agenda phase (after agendas have been revealed and after riders have been played, before/during votes are cast)

twelve, on 07 May 2019 - 10:17 PM, said:

Are you sure we can't make trades during this phase?

Yes. The rules are quite clear that the Status Phase and Strategy Phases do not have "turns" or an "active player"