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Posted 12 March 2019 - 05:47 PM

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View PostBlend, on 12 March 2019 - 02:34 PM, said:

Gnaw, anything I can do to convinve you to leave Lodd Eru in my hands til next round so I can use it again for a tech pre req?


I need it for the PO.


Can't you take Mansa III and Silvano instead? They're both nice and empty and well within your reach.


I have the Experimental Battlestation Action Card I'd be willing to give you in exchange as soon as I can afford Tapper's fees.


Though I guess you couldn't take Silvano now that you've used that carrier to take Herrah VI. I have an Unexpected Action card, I can give that to you if you'll use it to take Silvano and leave me Lodd Eru.
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 05:50 PM

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View PostImperial Historian, on 12 March 2019 - 05:41 PM, said:

Question how do two quantum data hubs interact? Who gets priority?


Goes by initiative order based on Speaker and the initial table initiative order.


So unless Tapper is the speaker, he will always get to use it after Macaw if he wants to. When Tapper's speaker, then Macaw get to use it after Tapper.


I would argue that since it’s used at the end of the strategy phase, it would go by the initiative order of the strategy cards chosen that phase.
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 05:53 PM

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Question how do two quantum data hubs interact? Who gets priority?


Goes by initiative order based on Speaker and the initial table initiative order.


So unless Tapper is the speaker, he will always get to use it after Macaw if he wants to. When Tapper's speaker, then Macaw get to use it after Tapper.


I would argue that since it’s used at the end of the strategy phase, it would go by the initiative order of the strategy cards chosen that phase.


I'll leave it to Khell to decide, but I'd disagree. The initiative order in the strategy phase is always table initiative order and given the ability is used "at the end of the strategy phase" we're still technically in that initiative order. The initiative order determined by the cards chosen during the strategy phase only comes into play when we reach the action phase.
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 05:55 PM

Gnaw, I hope that this growing friendship of yours with Blend doesn't adversely affect our game long, and quite profitable, alliance.
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 05:57 PM

View PostMorgoth, on 12 March 2019 - 05:55 PM, said:

Gnaw, I hope that this growing friendship of yours with Blend doesn't adversely affect our game long, and quite profitable, alliance.


Growing friendship? The Nekro and the Muaat have been working together for several rounds. I can't speak for the Nekro, but I don't intend to turn my back on them unless they give me a good reason to.
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 05:57 PM

View PostBlend, on 12 March 2019 - 05:53 PM, said:

View PostGnaw, on 12 March 2019 - 05:50 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 12 March 2019 - 05:45 PM, said:

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View PostImperial Historian, on 12 March 2019 - 05:41 PM, said:

Question how do two quantum data hubs interact? Who gets priority?


Goes by initiative order based on Speaker and the initial table initiative order.


So unless Tapper is the speaker, he will always get to use it after Macaw if he wants to. When Tapper's speaker, then Macaw get to use it after Tapper.


I would argue that since it’s used at the end of the strategy phase, it would go by the initiative order of the strategy cards chosen that phase.


I'll leave it to Khell to decide, but I'd disagree. The initiative order in the strategy phase is always table initiative order and given the ability is used "at the end of the strategy phase" we're still technically in that initiative order. The initiative order determined by the cards chosen during the strategy phase only comes into play when we reach the action phase.



I agree.
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 06:00 PM

View PostGnaw, on 12 March 2019 - 05:16 PM, said:

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I can't say I noticed that little incursion of Blend's. The price of being distracted I guess. What do you imagine you're going to do with that carrier, Blend, and why shouldn't I swat you out out of the sky?


You should. As a matter of fact you should do that instead of taking Rex this round. 😁


I should be fine doing both I think.
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 06:05 PM

View PostBlend, on 12 March 2019 - 05:53 PM, said:

View PostGnaw, on 12 March 2019 - 05:50 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 12 March 2019 - 05:45 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 12 March 2019 - 05:44 PM, said:

View PostImperial Historian, on 12 March 2019 - 05:41 PM, said:

Question how do two quantum data hubs interact? Who gets priority?


Goes by initiative order based on Speaker and the initial table initiative order.


So unless Tapper is the speaker, he will always get to use it after Macaw if he wants to. When Tapper's speaker, then Macaw get to use it after Tapper.


I would argue that since it’s used at the end of the strategy phase, it would go by the initiative order of the strategy cards chosen that phase.


I'll leave it to Khell to decide, but I'd disagree. The initiative order in the strategy phase is always table initiative order and given the ability is used "at the end of the strategy phase" we're still technically in that initiative order. The initiative order determined by the cards chosen during the strategy phase only comes into play when we reach the action phase.


"Initiative Order" always refers to the strategy cards' numbering. In the Strategy Phase, there is no initiative order (or, at least, not at the start of it). The strategy cards are picked in "Speaker Order".

End-of-strategy-phase effects could be resolved in "Speaker Order" or in "Initiative Order", I'm not sure what the right decision is here, but don't muddle the terminology with "strategy phase initiative order different from initiative order" :p

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 06:10 PM

View PostMorgoth, on 12 March 2019 - 06:00 PM, said:

View PostGnaw, on 12 March 2019 - 05:16 PM, said:

View PostMorgoth, on 12 March 2019 - 07:49 AM, said:

I can't say I noticed that little incursion of Blend's. The price of being distracted I guess. What do you imagine you're going to do with that carrier, Blend, and why shouldn't I swat you out out of the sky?


You should. As a matter of fact you should do that instead of taking Rex this round. 😁


I should be fine doing both I think.


Was afraid you’d say that. QDH + Rex makes for an interesting combo.
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 06:10 PM

There was a question I came across where Quantum Datahub Node and Imperial Arbiter (which is the same ability with an action card, minus having to give trade goods) were both played in the same strategy phase. The answer given was that it was resolved in Speaker Order.
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 06:11 PM

View PostD, on 12 March 2019 - 06:05 PM, said:

"Initiative Order" always refers to the strategy cards' numbering. In the Strategy Phase, there is no initiative order (or, at least, not at the start of it). The strategy cards are picked in "Speaker Order".

End-of-strategy-phase effects could be resolved in "Speaker Order" or in "Initiative Order", I'm not sure what the right decision is here, but don't muddle the terminology with "strategy phase initiative order different from initiative order" :p


I've literally never seen, heard, nor used the term "Speaker Order," so it's not that I'm trying to confuse something, just that we're not all nerds that use all the proper terminology for things! :p My point was clear, though, I think!
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 06:12 PM

View PostMorgoth, on 12 March 2019 - 05:55 PM, said:

Gnaw, I hope that this growing friendship of yours with Blend doesn't adversely affect our game long, and quite profitable, alliance.



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View PostMorgoth, on 12 March 2019 - 05:55 PM, said:

Gnaw, I hope that this growing friendship of yours with Blend doesn't adversely affect our game long, and quite profitable, alliance.


Growing friendship? The Nekro and the Muaat have been working together for several rounds. I can't speak for the Nekro, but I don't intend to turn my back on them unless they give me a good reason to.


I’m perfectly happy being friends with the both of you. It’d be helpful if one of you would grab Light/Wave Deflector.
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 06:16 PM

The interesting question with QDN is can you use it more than once in the same phase (as long as you have the trade goods)? It is not an 'exhaust this card' kind of ability.
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 06:19 PM

View PostGalactic Council, on 12 March 2019 - 06:16 PM, said:

The interesting question with QDN is can you use it more than once in the same phase (as long as you have the trade goods)? It is not an 'exhaust this card' kind of ability.


There’s only one “end of the strategy phase” per person. It just doesn’t feel right to be able to use it more than once.
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 06:20 PM

View PostGalactic Council, on 12 March 2019 - 06:16 PM, said:

The interesting question with QDN is can you use it more than once in the same phase (as long as you have the trade goods)? It is not an 'exhaust this card' kind of ability.


No. Abilities (or more specifically, instances of an ability) can't be used multiple times in the same timing window unless they're tied to a component that you have multiple of.

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 06:21 PM

View PostGalactic Council, on 12 March 2019 - 06:16 PM, said:

The interesting question with QDN is can you use it more than once in the same phase (as long as you have the trade goods)? It is not an 'exhaust this card' kind of ability.


Yeah, there seems to be a lot of back and forth about it online and I haven't found a response from the creators about it yet...
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 06:22 PM

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Gnaw, anything I can do to convinve you to leave Lodd Eru in my hands til next round so I can use it again for a tech pre req?


I need it for the PO.


Can't you take Mansa III and Silvano instead? They're both nice and empty and well within your reach.


I have the Experimental Battlestation Action Card I'd be willing to give you in exchange as soon as I can afford Tapper's fees.


Though I guess you couldn't take Silvano now that you've used that carrier to take Herrah VI. I have an Unexpected Action card, I can give that to you if you'll use it to take Silvano and leave me Lodd Eru.


Gnaw?
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 06:23 PM

View PostGnaw, on 12 March 2019 - 06:12 PM, said:

View PostMorgoth, on 12 March 2019 - 05:55 PM, said:

Gnaw, I hope that this growing friendship of yours with Blend doesn't adversely affect our game long, and quite profitable, alliance.



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View PostMorgoth, on 12 March 2019 - 05:55 PM, said:

Gnaw, I hope that this growing friendship of yours with Blend doesn't adversely affect our game long, and quite profitable, alliance.


Growing friendship? The Nekro and the Muaat have been working together for several rounds. I can't speak for the Nekro, but I don't intend to turn my back on them unless they give me a good reason to.


I’m perfectly happy being friends with the both of you. It’d be helpful if one of you would grab Light/Wave Deflector.


That's too far up the blue tech tree for me unfortunately, I'll be working my way up the red tree for the foreseeable future given you won't leave me Lodd Eru.
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 06:23 PM

D’rek, you know it’s your turn?
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 06:24 PM

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View PostBlend, on 12 March 2019 - 02:34 PM, said:

Gnaw, anything I can do to convinve you to leave Lodd Eru in my hands til next round so I can use it again for a tech pre req?


I need it for the PO.


Can't you take Mansa III and Silvano instead? They're both nice and empty and well within your reach.


I have the Experimental Battlestation Action Card I'd be willing to give you in exchange as soon as I can afford Tapper's fees.


Though I guess you couldn't take Silvano now that you've used that carrier to take Herrah VI. I have an Unexpected Action card, I can give that to you if you'll use it to take Silvano and leave me Lodd Eru.


Gnaw?


Sorry, I need the resources.
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