[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 25 February 2019 - 09:37 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 25 February 2019 - 08:25 AM, said:

I'm intending to refresh anyway and because D'rek was mean, my next action is quite funny. Petty revenge really.

Tapper are we able to trade or not? I get 4:4 is out of the question with your new trading strategy.

Sorry, a 4:4 is indeed impossible. I am surprised you ask, though.

Since you are bordering IH through a wormhole, are you sure you want to even refresh? I am not sure if IH agreed to not pirate you the entire round or just on that one transaction you made with him, but if he can pirate your trades, you'd spend a CT for a refresh and end up with 3 TG, the exact equivalent of that CT. Keeping the CT would allow you to fulfill Lead from the Front, while still allowing you to build in Arnor/Lor through exhausting Jord, if you so fancy.

As you can only build 1 extra ship in Arnor/Lor before you reach your cap (although that could be a Carrier with fighters, of course), I really do not see a big short term benefit for you in refreshing commodities this round.
So, what are your plans? And why should I help you out, after your about-face earlier this round with regard to Mallice?

I saw your plan with commodities regarding pillaging and was pretty impressed Imust say. Although when you do want a lot of TG's that may become problematic for you. I'd assume that big transaction would offset this for you but you know better.

I can score LftF or Develop weapons so I have flexibility there. I cannot activate Arnor/Lor as I have already done that. I was going to build my Flagship in Jord but with IH pillaging me I don't think I can afford to do that this round. I am not bothered about using a CT to use trade as the commodities will help me build ships but I may just build 6 fighters in Jord this round not "needing" the commodities. However next round if I do want to build, the TG's from this round may come in handy.

Mallice is protected from IH right now and a few others won't want to move into it knowing they will then be bordering IH and his pillaging ability. If Twelve moves there then you already have a non hostile agreement with him. You can see the predicament I am in at the moment. D'rek has decided that I am meat for her BBQ, she is protected from IH and has no inclination to attack him, with wormholes being the way they are no one can really reach D'rek to scare her/upset her plans.

Right now if anyone does attack her she gets 4 TG's, she's sitting on 9 with 6 PDS shots protected her home system with GLS. There's no way I can win a prolonged fight with her. I can make my systems quite formidable but doing anything that may cause her concern will need multiple players helping out. IH pillaging me does not help me in anyway in this situation.

My plan in short terms goals is to score PO which I can do. Long term is problematic as I will have to block ships entering my territory if able. I will try to place extra ships in Mallice next round and more infantry. It depends on the PO that comes out, I've resigned the fact I ain't able to achieve the tech planet objective any time soon.

No point in popping trade secondary if I am not able to trade them all. I don't mind the pillaging but pay a pillage fee without actually having 3 TG's can fuck right off.

[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 25 February 2019 - 09:48 AM, said:

Anyway, if you want to trade, Tatts: I'll give you 3 TG for your Trade Agreement PN.
The three can be paid however you want - 2 upfront so you can spend them, then 1 later (Status Phase?), or as a lump sum of 3.

To compare IH's offer to mine:
He asks 3 commodities, gives you 2 TG and leaves you with 1 untraded commodity.
If you trade that one, he can potentially pirate either your side of the deal, the player you trade with, or both. In that scenario, you have a net gain of 2 or 3 TG out of 4 while making you spend a CT.

I give you 3, one of which may be pirated, depending on how you want the pay-off.
The big advantage I offer is that I will now save you the CT you'd need to spend for refreshing commodities. It also becomes my headache to secure you a refresh of commodities to get my reward. The big downside for you is of course that you forego 4 commodities somewhere down the line.

I'll give this some thought, I appreciate the offer. This does seem quite a good deal.

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 25 February 2019 - 10:06 AM, said:

Tapper, on 25 February 2019 - 09:48 AM, said:

Anyway, if you want to trade, Tatts: I'll give you 3 TG for your Trade Agreement PN.
The three can be paid however you want - 2 upfront so you can spend them, then 1 later (Status Phase?), or as a lump sum of 3.

To compare IH's offer to mine:
He asks 3 commodities, gives you 2 TG and leaves you with 1 untraded commodity.
If you trade that one, he can potentially pirate either your side of the deal, the player you trade with, or both. In that scenario, you have a net gain of 2 or 3 TG out of 4 while making you spend a CT.

I give you 3, one of which may be pirated, depending on how you want the pay-off.
The big advantage I offer is that I will now save you the CT you'd need to spend for refreshing commodities. It also becomes my headache to secure you a refresh of commodities to get my reward. The big downside for you is of course that you forego 4 commodities somewhere down the line.

I'll give this some thought, I appreciate the offer. This does seem quite a good deal.

It's still a deal on which you make a long term loss, mind. Take your time in reaching a decision

[Tattersail_]

@IH what would those 2 TG and no pillaging cost me on my turn?

Edit, let me amend that for clarification

If I trade with Tapper my trade PN for 3 TG

Would you consider trading me 2 TG and no pillage for my Political Secrets PN and Ceasefire?

I'm wanting to build my flagship in Jord next go. You'd be a big help.

This post has been edited by Tattersail_: 25 February 2019 - 06:47 PM

[Imperial Historian]

I'd trade you 2tg for your ceasefire, racial, political pn and no pillaging either your trade with tapper or my trade with you (ie effectively 4tg) I can also promise not to use your racial PN whilst you have strategic tokens so it doesn't cost you anything.

[Galactic Council]

Although Nom has passed, I would suggest waiting for him, as since then Diplomacy, Politics, Trade, Logistics, and Imperial have all been played and he may want to do secondary actions on some of those.

[Galactic Council]

@ Gnaw:

I have you as having 1 token left in tactical, not two as in your last post. That right?

[Galactic Council]

Oh and map has been updated to beginning of turn 4.

[Galactic Council]

Could you please try to put your trades on separate lines (good example, Blend) - it just makes it easier for me to follow or find if I ever need to check back on it.

[Gnaw]

Galactic Council, on 25 February 2019 - 07:41 PM, said:

@ Gnaw:

I have you as having 1 token left in tactical, not two as in your last post. That right?

You right. We wrong.

[Gnaw]

Galactic Council, on 25 February 2019 - 07:37 PM, said:

Although Nom has passed, I would suggest waiting for him, as since then Diplomacy, Politics, Trade, Logistics, and Imperial have all been played and he may want to do secondary actions on some of those.

Can you not just put a placeholder in for him? I can’t imagine anything he would do affecting anyone else. Could be wrong about that...

[Blend]

Gnaw, on 25 February 2019 - 09:06 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 25 February 2019 - 07:37 PM, said:

Although Nom has passed, I would suggest waiting for him, as since then Diplomacy, Politics, Trade, Logistics, and Imperial have all been played and he may want to do secondary actions on some of those.

Can you not just put a placeholder in for him? I can’t imagine anything he would do affecting anyone else. Could be wrong about that...

I imagine he'll want to use the Logistics secondary to further reinforce Nestphar.

[Tattersail_]

IH that's a deal as long as you wait for me to have no strategic counters left.

Tapper we have a deal my trade PN for 3 TG.

[Itwæs Nom]

@Tapper can we trade 3:3?

Sorry if you've answered that already, haven't read through the thread

[Gnaw]

Itwæs Nom, on 25 February 2019 - 09:37 PM, said:

@Tapper can we trade 3:3?

Sorry if you've answered that already, haven't read through the thread

He’ll do 2 at best to keep from getting pillaged, er, protected.

[Tapper]

Itwæs Nom, on 25 February 2019 - 09:37 PM, said:

@Tapper can we trade 3:3?

Sorry if you've answered that already, haven't read through the thread

I am currently at 2 TG and 1 C. I'll trade you my 2 TG for 2 of your commodities (so a 2:2).
During Tatts' next turn, he'll trade me for everything I have left, so I'll go to 0 TG and 0 commodities and I get the Sol trade PN.

In essence, you'll thus need to make a trade with Blend 1:1 if he's up for it.

[Itwæs Nom]

Still appreciated

Turn completed, will try to prettify today

[Itwæs Nom]

@Blend feel like changing my commodity to a tg?

[Tapper]

On a somewhat related note:




1. Playing Hacan, I start to appreciate the rulebook's directive of "during the active player's turn, he may resolve up to one transaction with deal with each of his neighbors.".

I haven't really explored all the options (and certainly not turned transactions into auctions like Blend did in game 1) because I have limited time I can spend on thread, but imho there is currently just a little too much room for gaming the system as it works in table top.
Shenanigans like the one I am pulling with multiple 2:2 trades of commodities in the same turn before and after building are perfectly legal as the timing of the table top is much looser than what forum play allows (you can even make transactions during combat), but our system for example allows me to do a 2:2 exchange, take my tactical, then do a 2:2 with the same player again. I haven't exploited that particular loophole yet, but it has crossed my mind.

I would suggest that we try next game the rule as written, especially if/when Hacan and Mentak are played, to gauge the effect of it.

2. I think Hacan's Guild Ships has been misplayed at times over the last few games: it specifically says: "You can negotiate transactions with players who are not your neighbor."
This does not allow others to initiate transactions with me during their turn unless they neighbor me.

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 25 February 2019 - 09:18 PM, said:

IH that's a deal as long as you wait for me to have no strategic counters left.

Tapper we have a deal my trade PN for 3 TG.

Cool, we neighbor through Mallice/Lodor, so you can initiate it.