[WhiskeyJohn]

Who are they? Kaminsod is one of them? Probably all Azathanai too?

Even Osserc and Olar Ethil are afraid to cross Edgewalker. Who is he? Ruled Shadow and now serving it?

[Abyss]

Elemental forces are aspects, not individuals.

Kaminsod was a love god whose aspect was warped when he was yanked out of his world and dropped from orbit onto Malazanland.

We don't know who Edgy is. Hints suggest he tried to rule Shadow, failed, and now is one of its strongest guardians.

[WhiskeyJohn]

Edgewalker in BH says to call him a elemental force. So was curious.

[D'rek]

It's quite possible Edgewalker wasn't even all that particularly aspected to Shadow before he tried to take the throne of Shadow (or whatever went down that ended up with him shackled to the warren), but he's been stuck in that situation for so long that he considers himself so aspected to Shadow that he even calls himself an "elemental force".

Though one must wonder if there is really any clear line between what is and isn't an "element", either. Is love really an element in the same way light or fire are? If so, why not chance and war and farming and breakdancing, too?

[Siergiej]

Edgewalker is Yedan Narad.

I really need SE to finish Walk in Shadow so I can feel the vindication when it's confirmed

[Abyss]

WhiskeyJohn, on 17 January 2019 - 03:39 AM, said:

Edgewalker in BH says to call him a elemental force. So was curious.

Sure, that's what he says. What it means is likely not what's being suggested.

Siergiej, on 18 January 2019 - 08:26 AM, said:

Edgewalker is Yedan Narad.

I really need SE to finish Walk in Shadow so I can feel the vindication when it's confirmed

It does seem possible he'll turn out to be a Tiste character from that series, if we ever get to see the end.

[WhiskeyJohn]

Siergiej, on 18 January 2019 - 08:26 AM, said:

Edgewalker is Yedan Narad.

I really need SE to finish Walk in Shadow so I can feel the vindication when it's confirmed

What's the link? He has never been powerful enough to be feared by the likes of Sister of Cold Nights (Azathanai), Jenna (Jaghut) or Telorast and Curdle (Dragons). That's a pretty heady company who's wary of him. He surely must have been a powerful character at least same level as Rake.

Also was he guardian of shadow when Ampelas and other 2 dragons were chained? He claims he was guardian for long time...but when Rake and Kilmandaros cleansed Emurlhan....was he there?

.

And a corollary question...Shadow is Meanas, right?

This post has been edited by WhiskeyJohn: 20 January 2019 - 08:12 AM

[D'rek]

WhiskeyJohn, on 20 January 2019 - 08:05 AM, said:

And a corollary question...Shadow is Meanas, right?

Meanas is just Meanas, I'd say, and Emurlahn is Emurlahn, neither of them being (or having ever been) the whole of "shadow", though Emurlahn might once have contained all of the physical shadow world. However Meanas came to be, it's now a distinct warren that contains some (shadow-flavoured) physical living space and it can be channeled by humans (and others) for some magic effects, most of which are related to shadows, deception, and illusion. A lot of that physical world within Meanas seems like it might have previously been a part of the shadow realm/Emurlahn, but that may not be all of it, and it might be pretty hard to ever make definitive statement about the whole arrangement since it is a... well, shadowy place, that borders other shadowy places. The whole aspect of deception and illusions seems to be much more prominent in Meanas than it was in Emurlahn, emphasizing its distinctive and different nature from the older shadow warren/holds.

[neo era]

Siergiej, on 18 January 2019 - 08:26 AM, said:

Edgewalker is Yedan Narad.

yep I think so too. at least is probably a tiste male.

WhiskeyJohn, on 20 January 2019 - 08:05 AM, said:

And a corollary question...Shadow is Meanas, right?

shadow could be used interchangeably with meanas I suppose, but if we're talkin about the hold, meanas is a derivative.

[NefaraisBredd]

There was a good discussion quite some time ago on this forum related to this very topic:

https://forum.malaza...m-house-shadow/

[Kanese S's]

WhiskeyJohn, on 20 January 2019 - 08:05 AM, said:

Siergiej, on 18 January 2019 - 08:26 AM, said:

Edgewalker is Yedan Narad.

I really need SE to finish Walk in Shadow so I can feel the vindication when it's confirmed

What's the link? He has never been powerful enough to be feared by the likes of Sister of Cold Nights (Azathanai), Jenna (Jaghut) or Telorast and Curdle (Dragons). That's a pretty heady company who's wary of him. He surely must have been a powerful character at least same level as Rake.

Also was he guardian of shadow when Ampelas and other 2 dragons were chained? He claims he was guardian for long time...but when Rake and Kilmandaros cleansed Emurlhan....was he there?

.

And a corollary question...Shadow is Meanas, right?

Meanas is a major portion of elder shadow.

There are many.

[Keysi]

Abyss, on 17 January 2019 - 01:32 AM, said:

Elemental forces are aspects, not individuals.

Kaminsod was a love god whose aspect was warped when he was yanked out of his world and dropped from orbit onto Malazanland.

We don't know who Edgy is. Hints suggest he tried to rule Shadow, failed, and now is one of its strongest guardians.

I could be being really silly here but.... his aspect was love? You're pulling my leg, right?

[sigpig]

IIRC, Emurlahn was "shattered" and the individual pieces became their own Warrens (Meneas, Rashan, "Shadow", Whirlwind, Nascent, etc).Which makes me wonder if they are within K'Rul at all, since it was an Elder Warren in the first place; althought he carved out a section of his body for the so-called "Imperial" Warren in order to "heal" Jacuruku after it got Kallored...
"Kallored" - to be effed-up so royally by one person that it needs to be hidden from the entire world for all time...