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#121 User is offline   Azath Vitr (D'ivers 

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Posted 23 January 2020 - 02:45 AM

View PostAptorian, on 22 January 2020 - 04:15 AM, said:

So what I'm getting from these examples is that because certain people, typically of eastern descent, were bullied for their culture, now they go around bullying other people, typically white teens, for taking an interest in their culture.

Just seems like a cycle of hatred.


Many of them seem to honestly believe they're battling white supremacy (and sometimes neoliberalism and capitalist exploitation... with 'traditional' hereditary ethnocentric culture being reconceptualized as 'resistance' to the decontextualization associated with abstract capital flows or neoliberal universalizing 'value', etc....).

Bitterness from being bullied in elementary school transformed through the ideological extremes of 'critical theory' (minus critique of the logical or empirical validity of its own claims), campus activism (with students shouting in class and performing disruptive protests to intimidate professors), and Twitter....


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Posted 23 January 2020 - 08:08 AM

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 23 January 2020 - 02:45 AM, said:

View PostAptorian, on 22 January 2020 - 04:15 AM, said:

So what I'm getting from these examples is that because certain people, typically of eastern descent, were bullied for their culture, now they go around bullying other people, typically white teens, for taking an interest in their culture.

Just seems like a cycle of hatred.


Many of them seem to honestly believe they're battling white supremacy (and sometimes neoliberalism and capitalist exploitation... with 'traditional' hereditary ethnocentric culture being reconceptualized as 'resistance' to the decontextualization associated with abstract capital flows or neoliberal universalizing 'value', etc....).

Bitterness from being bullied in elementary school transformed through the ideological extremes of 'critical theory' (minus critique of the logical or empirical validity of its own claims), campus activism (with students shouting in class and performing disruptive protests to intimidate professors), and Twitter....


https://www.ribbonfa...x_cWrwPviRs-1ck


The sad irony is that by trying to enforce an exclusivity on other cultures, they are enforcing a white supremacist viewpoint themselves (cultures being closed off to each other) but very seldom do they realise it.
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Posted 24 January 2020 - 07:03 PM

'There are few sights more cringeworthy than a white man climbing into a rickshaw—a three-wheeled vehicle that’s ubiquitous in South Asia—turning the ignition key, and driving off with his name emblazoned on the license plate. Which is exactly what Jeff Bezos did in a video he tweeted on Sunday, a clip that ends with him leading a fleet of Amazon-branded electric rickshaws with Indian drivers as he lets out his signature cartoonish laugh.'

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 07:12 PM

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 24 January 2020 - 07:03 PM, said:

'There are few sights more cringeworthy than a white man climbing into a rickshaw—a three-wheeled vehicle that's ubiquitous in South Asia—turning the ignition key, and driving off with his name emblazoned on the license plate. Which is exactly what Jeff Bezos did in a video he tweeted on Sunday, a clip that ends with him leading a fleet of Amazon-branded electric rickshaws with Indian drivers as he lets out his signature cartoonish laugh.'

https://slate.com/te...c-rickshaw.html


He really is Lex Luthor.
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 04:56 AM

'Here's What Would Happen If Stephen King Were Treated Like a Latina Writer'
https://www.alisa-va...a-latina-writer

'The controversy over the new immigration novel American Dirt, explained
A non-Mexican author wrote a book about Mexican migrants. Critics are calling it trauma porn.'

https://www.vox.com/...-oprah-flatiron

'It received glowing blurbs from luminaries like Stephen King, John Grisham, and Sandra Cisneros. Early trade reviews were rapturous. The New York Times had it reviewed twice — once in the daily paper, once in the weekly Book Review — in addition to interviewing the author and publishing an excerpt from the novel.

But over the past few days, the narrative around American Dirt has changed. One of those New York Times reviews was a pan, the other was mixed at best. Another critic revealed that she'd written a review panning the book, too, and the magazine that commissioned her review killed it.

All of these negative reviews centered on one major problem: American Dirt is a book about Mexican migrants, and author Jeanine Cummins has identified as white, calling her family mostly white "in every practical way" a few years ago. (She has since begun to discuss a Puerto Rican grandmother.) Cummins had written a story that was not hers — and, according to many readers of color, she didn't do a very good job of it. In fact, she seemed to fetishize the pain of her characters at the expense of treating them as real human beings.

So on Tuesday morning, when Oprah announced that American Dirt would be the next book discussed in her book club, the news was treated not as the crown jewel in the coronation of the novel of the season, but as a slightly awkward development for Oprah.'

[However, the critiques pointed out numerous inaccuracies caused by the author's lack of familiarity with Mexican culture (including Mexican Spanish), and particularly criticized reductive and inaccurate stereotypes. Also, the most prominent writers attacking her for being too 'white', not having the lived experience, and acting as a 'white savior' telling other peoples' stories... themselves have non-Hispanic names, look white in many of their photos and promotional materials (with non-Mexican 'white' U S o An) fathers and mestizo Mexican mothers), and are not immigrants. All of which they fail to disclose.]



'Auntie Sandra's Cabin: Why No One Should Be Surprised Sandra Cisneros Endorsed American Dirt

[...] I came to realize, over time, that Cisneros, Bergholtz and their gang are what my dad calls "ethnic entrepreneurs." Their entire existence is predicated on not only the oversimplification of the "exotic peoples" they purport to represent but about whom they actually know jack shit, but also is dependent upon the continued marginalization and exoticization of said peoples, because without it them fakeass Aztec empresses would have no rebosos at all. My father describes such people as comemierdas, the highly academic Spanish word for shiteaters. He, having grown up in actual Latin America, where there are actual distinct social classes, ethnicities, races and all of the resultant problems that come from real, complex multi-directional oppressions and histories, is deeply amused by people like Cisneros.

"And if the oppression they say they detest were to disappear overnight," he says with a grin, "what then? Who are these comemierdas then? What do they have to talk about, it they aren't talking about 'la causa y la lucha'? They got nothin'. They are no one. They've marginalized themselves and bought into the lie of their comoditized Disneyahuatl mythology." (Okay, that word was mine, clearly, I'm paraphrasing, but I'm sure my dad won't mind - and yes, I called him dad, not papi, gorwing up, fuck you Bergholtz). "Their entire identity is defined in the negative - they struggle against 'white people hating brown people,' therefore they are. But if they had no struggle left, if they actually succeeded at toppling the oppressor, would they have anything at all to say about what it is to be the default person?"

Nope. They would not.

Cisneros, and others like her, are culturally American. Culture and language are not genetic. They are not carried like some distant genetic memory of sunshine in one's melanin or DNA. But because this nation likes to conflate skin tone or last name with actual culture, asserting "difference" where none often resides, in service to the dominant white power structure, Cisneros has accepted that, being brown with a vag, she cannot possibly be the default American like Robert Downey, Jr. is. She underscores this by dressing like what Bergholtz thinks Mexicans dress like, which is to say the way a Mayan woman might have dressed in the 19th century if she shopped at Dollar Tree.

This is exactly the conclusion the dominant class would like all minoritized people to adopt about themselves, because it is disempowerment and invalidation disguised as ethnic pride. Once you convince the oppressed to marginalize themselves, to make themselves small and predictable in the name of some coveted "authenticity," you win. Once you convince them to become professors and appoint themselves the Arbiters of Authenticity, then they begin to police themselves, weeding out people like - well, like me. And so it is that the snake is convinced to eat itself.

Imagine, for a moment, if this notion of white male authenticity were applied to all white male authors, or creatives in general. It becomes obviously absurd. And yet, done to me and others "like me," it is considered to be an exercise in "diversity."'

https://www.alisa-va...d-american-dirt

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 07:37 PM

It's interesting how the people complaining about "identity politics" are almost universally white men.
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 07:59 PM

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 07:37 PM, said:

It's interesting how the people complaining about "identity politics" are almost universally white men.


The author I was quoting is Alisa Valdez. (Not a white man.)

"Almost universally"? Not really. A majority of people who write articles complaining about it, yes, almost certainly. But polls indicate that identity politics (or at least major aspects of it, like preferring a candidate of one's own race/ethnicity or being opposed to cultural appropriation) is not popular among racial minority groups. For example:

https://www.city-jou...entity-politics
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 08:02 PM

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 07:59 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 07:37 PM, said:

It's interesting how the people complaining about "identity politics" are almost universally white men.


The author I was quoting is Alisa Valdez. (Not a white man.)

"Almost universally"? Not really. A majority of people who write articles complaining about it, yes, almost certainly. But polls indicate that identity politics (or at least major aspects of it, like preferring a candidate of one's own race/ethnicity or being opposed to cultural appropriation) is not popular among racial minority groups. For example:

https://www.city-jou...entity-politics


Funny how you think I was actually talking to you.
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#129 User is offline   Azath Vitr (D'ivers 

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 08:14 PM

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 08:02 PM, said:

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 07:59 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 07:37 PM, said:

It's interesting how the people complaining about "identity politics" are almost universally white men.


The author I was quoting is Alisa Valdez. (Not a white man.)

"Almost universally"? Not really. A majority of people who write articles complaining about it, yes, almost certainly. But polls indicate that identity politics (or at least major aspects of it, like preferring a candidate of one's own race/ethnicity or being opposed to cultural appropriation) is not popular among racial minority groups. For example:

https://www.city-jou...entity-politics


Funny how you think I was actually talking to you.


Here are some more prominent non-white-male critics of identity politics:

'Zadie Smith
Zadie Smith, 44, is a British-Jamaican writer whose novels delve into multicultural families. Married to an Irishman, she often teases whites as a group, but she also thinks identity politics — the tendency to form political alliances based on race, religion, gender or sexuality — has been harmful.

[...] An eminent linguist and literature professor at New York's Columbia University, John McWhorter is a sought-after commentator who has described himself as a "cranky liberal Democrat." [... He] has written that anti-racism has become a kind of fundamentalist religion that divides people and aims to destroy those who raise questions.

A Korean-American, Wesley Yang is the award-winning author of The Souls of Yellow Folks: Essays. [...] described identity politics as "a beguiling compound of insight, partial truths, circular reasoning, and dogmatism operating within a self-enclosed system of reference immunized against critique."'

There are many more....

https://vancouversun...ty-and-religion

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 08:17 PM

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 08:14 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 08:02 PM, said:

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 07:59 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 07:37 PM, said:

It's interesting how the people complaining about "identity politics" are almost universally white men.


The author I was quoting is Alisa Valdez. (Not a white man.)

"Almost universally"? Not really. A majority of people who write articles complaining about it, yes, almost certainly. But polls indicate that identity politics (or at least major aspects of it, like preferring a candidate of one's own race/ethnicity or being opposed to cultural appropriation) is not popular among racial minority groups. For example:

https://www.city-jou...entity-politics


Funny how you think I was actually talking to you.


Here are some more prominent non-white-male critics of identity politics:

'Zadie Smith
Zadie Smith, 44, is a British-Jamaican writer whose novels delve into multicultural families. Married to an Irishman, she often teases whites as a group, but she also thinks identity politics — the tendency to form political alliances based on race, religion, gender or sexuality — has been harmful.

[...] An eminent linguist and literature professor at New York's Columbia University, John McWhorter is a sought-after commentator who has described himself as a "cranky liberal Democrat." [... He] has written that anti-racism has become a kind of fundamentalist religion that divides people and aims to destroy those who raise questions.

A Korean-American, Wesley Yang is the award-winning author of The Souls of Yellow Folks: Essays. [...] described identity politics as "a beguiling compound of insight, partial truths, circular reasoning, and dogmatism operating within a self-enclosed system of reference immunized against critique."'

There are many more....

https://vancouversun...ty-and-religion


Again, I was not talking specifically to you.
And tokenization is kinda... not really new? It's basically the political version of "I can't be racist, I have a black friend!"

Laseen did nothing wrong.

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#131 User is offline   Azath Vitr (D'ivers 

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 08:46 PM

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 08:17 PM, said:

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 08:14 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 08:02 PM, said:

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 07:59 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 07:37 PM, said:

It's interesting how the people complaining about "identity politics" are almost universally white men.


The author I was quoting is Alisa Valdez. (Not a white man.)

"Almost universally"? Not really. A majority of people who write articles complaining about it, yes, almost certainly. But polls indicate that identity politics (or at least major aspects of it, like preferring a candidate of one's own race/ethnicity or being opposed to cultural appropriation) is not popular among racial minority groups. For example:

https://www.city-jou...entity-politics


Funny how you think I was actually talking to you.


Here are some more prominent non-white-male critics of identity politics:

'Zadie Smith
Zadie Smith, 44, is a British-Jamaican writer whose novels delve into multicultural families. Married to an Irishman, she often teases whites as a group, but she also thinks identity politics — the tendency to form political alliances based on race, religion, gender or sexuality — has been harmful.

[...] An eminent linguist and literature professor at New York's Columbia University, John McWhorter is a sought-after commentator who has described himself as a "cranky liberal Democrat." [... He] has written that anti-racism has become a kind of fundamentalist religion that divides people and aims to destroy those who raise questions.

A Korean-American, Wesley Yang is the award-winning author of The Souls of Yellow Folks: Essays. [...] described identity politics as "a beguiling compound of insight, partial truths, circular reasoning, and dogmatism operating within a self-enclosed system of reference immunized against critique."'

There are many more....

https://vancouversun...ty-and-religion


Again, I was not talking specifically to you.
And tokenization is kinda... not really new? It's basically the political version of "I can't be racist, I have a black friend!"



It's hardly tokenism when polls indicate that more Black, Latino, Native, and Asian Americans oppose identity politics (or at least its extreme forms) than support it.

If you'd like to try to find a statistical analysis of what percentage of articles or forum or social media posts critiquing identity politics are by white men, have at it. Perhaps the numbers will indicate that it really is 'almost universally white men', but I doubt it would be as high as, say, 99%. And there are many, many other prominent examples. Including Andrew Yang.
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 08:47 PM

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 08:46 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 08:17 PM, said:

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 08:14 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 08:02 PM, said:

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 07:59 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 07:37 PM, said:

It's interesting how the people complaining about "identity politics" are almost universally white men.


The author I was quoting is Alisa Valdez. (Not a white man.)

"Almost universally"? Not really. A majority of people who write articles complaining about it, yes, almost certainly. But polls indicate that identity politics (or at least major aspects of it, like preferring a candidate of one's own race/ethnicity or being opposed to cultural appropriation) is not popular among racial minority groups. For example:

https://www.city-jou...entity-politics


Funny how you think I was actually talking to you.


Here are some more prominent non-white-male critics of identity politics:

'Zadie Smith
Zadie Smith, 44, is a British-Jamaican writer whose novels delve into multicultural families. Married to an Irishman, she often teases whites as a group, but she also thinks identity politics — the tendency to form political alliances based on race, religion, gender or sexuality — has been harmful.

[...] An eminent linguist and literature professor at New York's Columbia University, John McWhorter is a sought-after commentator who has described himself as a "cranky liberal Democrat." [... He] has written that anti-racism has become a kind of fundamentalist religion that divides people and aims to destroy those who raise questions.

A Korean-American, Wesley Yang is the award-winning author of The Souls of Yellow Folks: Essays. [...] described identity politics as "a beguiling compound of insight, partial truths, circular reasoning, and dogmatism operating within a self-enclosed system of reference immunized against critique."'

There are many more....

https://vancouversun...ty-and-religion


Again, I was not talking specifically to you.
And tokenization is kinda... not really new? It's basically the political version of "I can't be racist, I have a black friend!"



It's hardly tokenism when polls indicate that more Black, Latino, Native, and Asian Americans oppose identity politics (or at least its extreme forms) than support it.

If you'd like to try to find a statistical analysis of what percentage of articles or forum or social media posts critiquing identity politics are by white men, have at it. Perhaps the numbers will indicate that it really is 'almost universally white men', but I doubt it would be as high as, say, 99%. And there are many, many other prominent examples. Including Andrew Yang.


Andrew Yang is a silicon valley shill.
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Posted 31 January 2020 - 08:40 AM

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 08:47 PM, said:

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 08:46 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 08:17 PM, said:

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 08:14 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 08:02 PM, said:

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 07:59 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 07:37 PM, said:

It's interesting how the people complaining about "identity politics" are almost universally white men.


The author I was quoting is Alisa Valdez. (Not a white man.)

"Almost universally"? Not really. A majority of people who write articles complaining about it, yes, almost certainly. But polls indicate that identity politics (or at least major aspects of it, like preferring a candidate of one's own race/ethnicity or being opposed to cultural appropriation) is not popular among racial minority groups. For example:

https://www.city-jou...entity-politics


Funny how you think I was actually talking to you.


Here are some more prominent non-white-male critics of identity politics:

'Zadie Smith
Zadie Smith, 44, is a British-Jamaican writer whose novels delve into multicultural families. Married to an Irishman, she often teases whites as a group, but she also thinks identity politics — the tendency to form political alliances based on race, religion, gender or sexuality — has been harmful.

[...] An eminent linguist and literature professor at New York's Columbia University, John McWhorter is a sought-after commentator who has described himself as a "cranky liberal Democrat." [... He] has written that anti-racism has become a kind of fundamentalist religion that divides people and aims to destroy those who raise questions.

A Korean-American, Wesley Yang is the award-winning author of The Souls of Yellow Folks: Essays. [...] described identity politics as "a beguiling compound of insight, partial truths, circular reasoning, and dogmatism operating within a self-enclosed system of reference immunized against critique."'

There are many more....

https://vancouversun...ty-and-religion


Again, I was not talking specifically to you.
And tokenization is kinda... not really new? It's basically the political version of "I can't be racist, I have a black friend!"



It's hardly tokenism when polls indicate that more Black, Latino, Native, and Asian Americans oppose identity politics (or at least its extreme forms) than support it.

If you'd like to try to find a statistical analysis of what percentage of articles or forum or social media posts critiquing identity politics are by white men, have at it. Perhaps the numbers will indicate that it really is 'almost universally white men', but I doubt it would be as high as, say, 99%. And there are many, many other prominent examples. Including Andrew Yang.


Andrew Yang is a silicon valley shill.


What a sterling rebuttal citing sources as per Azath's request
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Posted 31 January 2020 - 03:06 PM

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 08:17 PM, said:

Again, I was not talking specifically to you.


If you're posting in the discussion board of this forum... then yes you are talking to the members of this forum. If you want to have a 1-on-1 conversation with someone, send them a PM or tweet at them or call them on the phone or something.

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 08:46 PM, said:

If you'd like to try to find a statistical analysis of what percentage of articles or forum or social media posts critiquing identity politics are by white men, have at it. Perhaps the numbers will indicate that it really is 'almost universally white men', but I doubt it would be as high as, say, 99%.


I doubt it would be even close to 50%. White men is something like 10% of the world population. There's a loooooot of Asian bloggers, article writers, etc.

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 31 January 2020 - 05:04 PM

View PostMaark Abbott, on 31 January 2020 - 08:40 AM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 08:47 PM, said:

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 08:46 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 08:17 PM, said:

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 08:14 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 08:02 PM, said:

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 30 January 2020 - 07:59 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 07:37 PM, said:

It's interesting how the people complaining about "identity politics" are almost universally white men.


The author I was quoting is Alisa Valdez. (Not a white man.)

"Almost universally"? Not really. A majority of people who write articles complaining about it, yes, almost certainly. But polls indicate that identity politics (or at least major aspects of it, like preferring a candidate of one's own race/ethnicity or being opposed to cultural appropriation) is not popular among racial minority groups. For example:

https://www.city-jou...entity-politics


Funny how you think I was actually talking to you.


Here are some more prominent non-white-male critics of identity politics:

'Zadie Smith
Zadie Smith, 44, is a British-Jamaican writer whose novels delve into multicultural families. Married to an Irishman, she often teases whites as a group, but she also thinks identity politics — the tendency to form political alliances based on race, religion, gender or sexuality — has been harmful.

[...] An eminent linguist and literature professor at New York's Columbia University, John McWhorter is a sought-after commentator who has described himself as a "cranky liberal Democrat." [... He] has written that anti-racism has become a kind of fundamentalist religion that divides people and aims to destroy those who raise questions.

A Korean-American, Wesley Yang is the award-winning author of The Souls of Yellow Folks: Essays. [...] described identity politics as "a beguiling compound of insight, partial truths, circular reasoning, and dogmatism operating within a self-enclosed system of reference immunized against critique."'

There are many more....

https://vancouversun...ty-and-religion


Again, I was not talking specifically to you.
And tokenization is kinda... not really new? It's basically the political version of "I can't be racist, I have a black friend!"



It's hardly tokenism when polls indicate that more Black, Latino, Native, and Asian Americans oppose identity politics (or at least its extreme forms) than support it.

If you'd like to try to find a statistical analysis of what percentage of articles or forum or social media posts critiquing identity politics are by white men, have at it. Perhaps the numbers will indicate that it really is 'almost universally white men', but I doubt it would be as high as, say, 99%. And there are many, many other prominent examples. Including Andrew Yang.


Andrew Yang is a silicon valley shill.


What a sterling rebuttal citing sources as per Azath's request


His referencing of Yang signals that we're too fundamentally opposed to reach any sort of resolution.

Also, yes, Andrew Yang is a technocrat. I don't see why something that obvious needs a source.

Laseen did nothing wrong.

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Posted 31 January 2020 - 05:05 PM

View PostD, on 31 January 2020 - 03:06 PM, said:

View PostKanese S, on 30 January 2020 - 08:17 PM, said:

Again, I was not talking specifically to you.


If you're posting in the discussion board of this forum... then yes you are talking to the members of this forum. If you want to have a 1-on-1 conversation with someone, send them a PM or tweet at them or call them on the phone or something.




Hey, he's the one who responded to me as if I was replying to specifically his post.
Laseen did nothing wrong.

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#137 User is offline   Aptorian 

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Posted 31 January 2020 - 05:43 PM

You made a broad sweeping statement and then Azath refuted your statement. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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#138 User is offline   Kanese S's 

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Posted 31 January 2020 - 06:07 PM

View PostAptorian, on 31 January 2020 - 05:43 PM, said:

You made a broad sweeping statement and then Azath refuted your statement. Don't hate the player, hate the game.


He didn't refute it, he engaged in typical tokenism.
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Posted 31 January 2020 - 06:30 PM

View PostAptorian, on 31 January 2020 - 05:43 PM, said:

You made a broad sweeping statement and then Azath refuted your statement. Don't hate the player, hate the game.


Apt, I threw you an upvote to counteract Kanese's knee-jerk downvote.

Seriously Kanese...if you want to have a discussion on the discussion boards...then engage with those willing to do so, if not, don't. Downvoting someone for commenting on that doesn't help your case.

You're dropping bomb-posts and they when they are engaged with you go "I wasn't talking to you"...

Like what even? You even had a Mod tell you to cool it and you're doubling down.
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Posted 31 January 2020 - 06:42 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 31 January 2020 - 06:30 PM, said:

View PostAptorian, on 31 January 2020 - 05:43 PM, said:

You made a broad sweeping statement and then Azath refuted your statement. Don't hate the player, hate the game.


Apt, I threw you an upvote to counteract Kanese's knee-jerk downvote.

Seriously Kanese...if you want to have a discussion on the discussion boards...then engage with those willing to do so, if not, don't. Downvoting someone for commenting on that doesn't help your case.

You're dropping bomb-posts and they when they are engaged with you go "I wasn't talking to you"...

Like what even? You even had a Mod tell you to cool it and you're doubling down.


I don't recall a mod telling me to cool it.
Laseen did nothing wrong.

I demand Telorast & Curdle plushies.
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