[Imperial Historian]

Just to clarify what is the definition of empty systems in the new warfare?
Blank tiles?
Systems with no units of another player in?
Systems with no space units of another player in?
Systems which don't contain an owned planet?

[D'rek]

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

I'd have 5 planets to your 6,

Yes, but it's not my responsibility to balance out the galaxy's tile placement. You could have negotiated with Twelve or Tapper to not get those blanks. Plus I've got a PITA asteroid field and no WH access.

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

and its easy for me to move from Abyz/Fria one space to take the system.

It'll be easy for me to move there with AMD+GD next round, too.

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

I literally only want to exhaust it once for the tech but if you really want it then i'm sure Sakalug can take the burden.

You're going for an early Quantum Datahub I presume? Or Integrated Economy? (Or both?) What round do you think you you'll be doing that research? I am thinking I will need Mansa III (unexhausted) on round 3 for my own tech flip and if Twelve is looking fierce it might be necessary as a Winnu counter at that same time (w/ DIPLOMACY). So if you think you'll use it before or after then, we could arrange for one of us to have it until then and the other to have it after? I'm not averse to a sharing arrangement.

[Tapper]

 Imperial Historian, on 13 July 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

Just to clarify what is the definition of empty systems in the new warfare?
Blank tiles?
Systems with no units of another player in?
Systems with no space units of another player in?
Systems which don't contain an owned planet?

Ships, I think --> nothing that would initiate combat.

[D'rek]

 Imperial Historian, on 13 July 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

Just to clarify what is the definition of empty systems in the new warfare?
Blank tiles?
Systems with no units of another player in?
Systems with no space units of another player in?
Systems which don't contain an owned planet?

Systems which contain no planets and no units.

And "system you control" means you control all the planets in the system and there are no enemy units in the system.

[Tattersail_]

 D, on 13 July 2018 - 03:22 PM, said:

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

I'd have 5 planets to your 6,

Yes, but it's not my responsibility to balance out the galaxy's tile placement. You could have negotiated with Twelve or Tapper to not get those blanks. Plus I've got a PITA asteroid field and no WH access.

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

and its easy for me to move from Abyz/Fria one space to take the system.

It'll be easy for me to move there with AMD+GD next round, too.

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

I literally only want to exhaust it once for the tech but if you really want it then i'm sure Sakalug can take the burden.

You're going for an early Quantum Datahub I presume? Or Integrated Economy? (Or both?) What round do you think you you'll be doing that research? I am thinking I will need Mansa III (unexhausted) on round 3 for my own tech flip and if Twelve is looking fierce it might be necessary as a Winnu counter at that same time (w/ DIPLOMACY). So if you think you'll use it before or after then, we could arrange for one of us to have it until then and the other to have it after? I'm not averse to a sharing arrangement.

Actually if you allocate yourself speaker would that make me second choice? If it does I won't need QDN early at all, so therefore wouldn't need Mansa 3. I'm not sure how the speaker and strategy is going to work, maybe someone could clarify that for me, because I'm looking at researching on the green side of things to start with.

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but if I cannot grab technology in round two then yes, I'd like to exhaust Mansa and Sakalug for the QDN.

This post has been edited by Tattersail_: 13 July 2018 - 03:26 PM

[Imperial Historian]

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 03:26 PM, said:

 D, on 13 July 2018 - 03:22 PM, said:

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

I'd have 5 planets to your 6,

Yes, but it's not my responsibility to balance out the galaxy's tile placement. You could have negotiated with Twelve or Tapper to not get those blanks. Plus I've got a PITA asteroid field and no WH access.

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

and its easy for me to move from Abyz/Fria one space to take the system.

It'll be easy for me to move there with AMD+GD next round, too.

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

I literally only want to exhaust it once for the tech but if you really want it then i'm sure Sakalug can take the burden.

You're going for an early Quantum Datahub I presume? Or Integrated Economy? (Or both?) What round do you think you you'll be doing that research? I am thinking I will need Mansa III (unexhausted) on round 3 for my own tech flip and if Twelve is looking fierce it might be necessary as a Winnu counter at that same time (w/ DIPLOMACY). So if you think you'll use it before or after then, we could arrange for one of us to have it until then and the other to have it after? I'm not averse to a sharing arrangement.

Actually if you allocate yourself speaker would that make me second choice? If it does I won't need QDN early at all, so therefore wouldn't need Mansa 3. I'm not sure how the speaker and strategy is going to work, maybe someone could clarify that for me, because I'm looking at researching on the green side of things to start with.

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but if I cannot grab technology in round two then yes, I'd like to exhaust Mansa and Sakalug for the QDN.

I think I'm after D'rek if she is speaker, the initiative order is the same as the first post rather than geographically.

And that makes logistics not quite as good as I had thought

[D'rek]

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 03:26 PM, said:

Actually if you allocate yourself speaker would that make me second choice? If it does I won't need QDN early at all, so therefore wouldn't need Mansa 3. I'm not sure how the speaker and strategy is going to work, maybe someone could clarify that for me, because I'm looking at researching on the green side of things to start with.

edit

but if I cannot grab technology in round two then yes, I'd like to exhaust Mansa and Sakalug for the QDN.

IIRC Blend said we would continue using the { Khell > Bliss > ... > Tapper } order anywhere that we would otherwise use clockwise order. So if I make myself Speaker (and I will), strategy card selection order next round would be:

D'rek > IH > Morgoth > Gnaw > Tattersail > Twelve > Tapper > Khellendros > ItWasBliss


So I wouldn't count on getting TECH round 2. Decent odds of getting it round 3, since IH/Morg/Gnaw are likely to take POLITICS and make themselves Speaker for round 3, moving you to an earlier pick.

With that in mind, what round do you think you'd need to be holding Mansa+Sakulag for QDN?

[twelve]

 Imperial Historian, on 13 July 2018 - 03:31 PM, said:

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 03:26 PM, said:

 D, on 13 July 2018 - 03:22 PM, said:

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

I'd have 5 planets to your 6,

Yes, but it's not my responsibility to balance out the galaxy's tile placement. You could have negotiated with Twelve or Tapper to not get those blanks. Plus I've got a PITA asteroid field and no WH access.

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

and its easy for me to move from Abyz/Fria one space to take the system.

It'll be easy for me to move there with AMD+GD next round, too.

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

I literally only want to exhaust it once for the tech but if you really want it then i'm sure Sakalug can take the burden.

You're going for an early Quantum Datahub I presume? Or Integrated Economy? (Or both?) What round do you think you you'll be doing that research? I am thinking I will need Mansa III (unexhausted) on round 3 for my own tech flip and if Twelve is looking fierce it might be necessary as a Winnu counter at that same time (w/ DIPLOMACY). So if you think you'll use it before or after then, we could arrange for one of us to have it until then and the other to have it after? I'm not averse to a sharing arrangement.

Actually if you allocate yourself speaker would that make me second choice? If it does I won't need QDN early at all, so therefore wouldn't need Mansa 3. I'm not sure how the speaker and strategy is going to work, maybe someone could clarify that for me, because I'm looking at researching on the green side of things to start with.

edit

but if I cannot grab technology in round two then yes, I'd like to exhaust Mansa and Sakalug for the QDN.

I think I'm after D'rek if she is speaker, the initiative order is the same as the first post rather than geographically.

And that makes logistics not quite as good as I had thought

That only made sense before home world's were set. I thought we would switch to the person to the left got next choice.

[Tattersail_]

Racial PN IH?

[Tattersail_]

 D, on 13 July 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 03:26 PM, said:

Actually if you allocate yourself speaker would that make me second choice? If it does I won't need QDN early at all, so therefore wouldn't need Mansa 3. I'm not sure how the speaker and strategy is going to work, maybe someone could clarify that for me, because I'm looking at researching on the green side of things to start with.

edit

but if I cannot grab technology in round two then yes, I'd like to exhaust Mansa and Sakalug for the QDN.

IIRC Blend said we would continue using the { Khell > Bliss > ... > Tapper } order anywhere that we would otherwise use clockwise order. So if I make myself Speaker (and I will), strategy card selection order next round would be:

D'rek > IH > Morgoth > Gnaw > Tattersail > Twelve > Tapper > Khellendros > ItWasBliss


So I wouldn't count on getting TECH round 2. Decent odds of getting it round 3, since IH/Morg/Gnaw are likely to take POLITICS and make themselves Speaker for round 3, moving you to an earlier pick.

With that in mind, what round do you think you'd need to be holding Mansa+Sakulag for QDN?

Just round 2, I won't have use for it afterwards

[D'rek]

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 03:36 PM, said:

 D, on 13 July 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 03:26 PM, said:

Actually if you allocate yourself speaker would that make me second choice? If it does I won't need QDN early at all, so therefore wouldn't need Mansa 3. I'm not sure how the speaker and strategy is going to work, maybe someone could clarify that for me, because I'm looking at researching on the green side of things to start with.

edit

but if I cannot grab technology in round two then yes, I'd like to exhaust Mansa and Sakalug for the QDN.

IIRC Blend said we would continue using the { Khell > Bliss > ... > Tapper } order anywhere that we would otherwise use clockwise order. So if I make myself Speaker (and I will), strategy card selection order next round would be:

D'rek > IH > Morgoth > Gnaw > Tattersail > Twelve > Tapper > Khellendros > ItWasBliss


So I wouldn't count on getting TECH round 2. Decent odds of getting it round 3, since IH/Morg/Gnaw are likely to take POLITICS and make themselves Speaker for round 3, moving you to an earlier pick.

With that in mind, what round do you think you'd need to be holding Mansa+Sakulag for QDN?

Just round 2, I won't have use for it afterwards

Alright, then you go ahead and take it. We'll see what Twelve does, and probably need to swap during round 3 or 4.

[Tattersail_]

 D, on 13 July 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 03:36 PM, said:

 D, on 13 July 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 03:26 PM, said:

Actually if you allocate yourself speaker would that make me second choice? If it does I won't need QDN early at all, so therefore wouldn't need Mansa 3. I'm not sure how the speaker and strategy is going to work, maybe someone could clarify that for me, because I'm looking at researching on the green side of things to start with.

edit

but if I cannot grab technology in round two then yes, I'd like to exhaust Mansa and Sakalug for the QDN.

IIRC Blend said we would continue using the { Khell > Bliss > ... > Tapper } order anywhere that we would otherwise use clockwise order. So if I make myself Speaker (and I will), strategy card selection order next round would be:

D'rek > IH > Morgoth > Gnaw > Tattersail > Twelve > Tapper > Khellendros > ItWasBliss


So I wouldn't count on getting TECH round 2. Decent odds of getting it round 3, since IH/Morg/Gnaw are likely to take POLITICS and make themselves Speaker for round 3, moving you to an earlier pick.

With that in mind, what round do you think you'd need to be holding Mansa+Sakulag for QDN?

Just round 2, I won't have use for it afterwards

Alright, then you go ahead and take it. We'll see what Twelve does, and probably need to swap during round 3 or 4.

How about PN's, what do you want to do there?

Surely Twelve wants to go straight for Mec Rex?

[D'rek]

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 03:40 PM, said:

Surely Twelve wants to go straight for Mec Rex?

He might, he might not.

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 03:40 PM, said:

How about PN's, what do you want to do there?

No point in swapping Ceasfire/SftT if we're going to end up probably forced to give one of them back when we swap Mansa III due to activating an owned planet. Anything else you're interested in? I'm certainly interested in your Trade Agreement, naturally.

[Tattersail_]

 D, on 13 July 2018 - 03:50 PM, said:

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 03:40 PM, said:

Surely Twelve wants to go straight for Mec Rex?

He might, he might not.

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 03:40 PM, said:

How about PN's, what do you want to do there?

No point in swapping Ceasfire/SftT if we're going to end up probably forced to give one of them back when we swap Mansa III due to activating an owned planet. Anything else you're interested in? I'm certainly interested in your Trade Agreement, naturally.

So PN's after Mansa 3 is exchanged?

I've allocated my commodities, including 2 to you. Trade Agreement may be something once I am on my feet.

[twelve]

There is a reason I put mansa III where I did. I might want in on the swapping ownership thing.

[D'rek]

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

 D, on 13 July 2018 - 03:50 PM, said:

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 03:40 PM, said:

Surely Twelve wants to go straight for Mec Rex?

He might, he might not.

 Tattersail_, on 13 July 2018 - 03:40 PM, said:

How about PN's, what do you want to do there?

No point in swapping Ceasfire/SftT if we're going to end up probably forced to give one of them back when we swap Mansa III due to activating an owned planet. Anything else you're interested in? I'm certainly interested in your Trade Agreement, naturally.

So PN's after Mansa 3 is exchanged?

I've allocated my commodities, including 2 to you. Trade Agreement may be something once I am on my feet.

Sure, sounds good.

 twelve, on 13 July 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

There is a reason I put mansa III where I did. I might want in on the swapping ownership thing.

Sakulag is closer (kidding, kidding!)

Giving you Mansa III for a turn may be... possible. Not until round 4, though, and there'd be some very specific terms of what you can move there, I think.

[twelve]

It's a maybe at best. Too much will happen that could easily change my need for it plus it's not exactly the easiest for me to get but round 4 will probably work.

[Gnaw]

Tatts, racial PNs or not?

[Tattersail_]

 Gnaw, on 13 July 2018 - 04:50 PM, said:

Tatts, racial PNs or not?

Yes

[twelve]

 Gnaw, on 13 July 2018 - 04:50 PM, said:

Tatts, racial PNs or not?

Gnaw you are up I think.