[Iron Bars]

There has been alot of discusion on who the second could be but there has never been a definitive answer for it. We just have to wait for SE to reaveal it to us (or ICE).

[Hume]

The two most popular ones are Skinner, an avowed of the crimson guard.
The other being Travellor/Dassem Ultor.


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These two in fact fought each other at some point in time, but it wast definative on exactly how the swordfight went, i got the impression Skinner had to withdraw from Dassem, but it dosent explicitly state that

[Tiste Simeon]

Do we know for definite if the Seguleh 1st is still around? I seem to remember the seguleh 3rd mentioning that no-one knew who he was, or if he was still alive!

[Folken]

It's the 2nd you're refering to monkey...the 1st is clearly alive.

[Tiste Simeon]

Whatever... I need a re-re-read!

[Tiste Simeon]

Do we know if the Seguleh are different to human, or just a super-hard race of humans?

[kaf09]

Tiste Simeon said:

Do we know if the Seguleh are different to human, or just a super-hard race of humans?

It was not explicitly stated that the Segulah were human but I think it was assumed; nevertheless, rank within their society was certainly available to anyone, human or not, who sought it (or didn't seek it cf Rake). When Mok conversed with Lady Envy he said something along the lines of "we know more of the world than you think!" It is probably fairly safe to assume that they are a human society like the Spartans or the Vikings, with the associated slaves of course to do the hewing of wood and drawing of water.

On a recent reread of GotM, I learnt that Seguleh currency was in the form of iron bars (maybe they trade them for making swords with).

[Cause]

No I think that was done to show they care nothing for gold. I believe the spartans did the same thing. Its to show us how martial their culture actually is

[kaf09]

Cause said:

No I think that was done to show they care nothing for gold. I believe the spartans did the same thing. Its to show us how martial their culture actually is

Good call on the Spartan currency; mind you the Seguleh currency was actually traded in Darujhistan. I believe Spartan money was regarded as a bit of a joke by the rest of the Greek cities.

[caladanbrood]

I bet the 1st is a little yoda-esque creature that sits on its throne on the Seguleh isle all day every day;)

[Arkmam]

Gruntle said:

We dont know if the seglugh first or second are of that nationality. Just like the traveller/daseem theory. Just like Rake being 7 and Tool being in top ten somewhere.

Is there any chars that have been unaccounted for??

I hope they come more into play in the next book, even Krul and Envy were cursious why the first sent the third into the pannion.

When are we told that Tool is in the top ten?

[caladanbrood]

Arkmam said:

When are we told that Tool is in the top ten?

I guess when he beat, urm... whatisname. Or rather, when he drew with the other one.

(I'm not so good at remembering names;) the lot travelling with Envy in MoI)

[Cause]

the two he beat were initiates not even ranked.

[Cause]

eleventh level initiate. he was in training. their are hundreds who hold the same rank as him

[Trotts]

senu was an eleventh level initiate
thrurles rank i never saw
and mok was the third

however when tool beat thrurule and said somthing like, that was a tough fight, especially since i was using the back of my blade, that comment startles mok (i think toc says somthing like, wow tool, that was sufficient to give the third pause). that kinda suggest that thrurle was a decent warrior right? or why else would mok care.

[Roland]

It also means Tool was FAR superior than Thurule. but I can't remember if he finally beat Mok?