[Khellendros]

Blend, on 29 April 2018 - 02:10 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 29 April 2018 - 02:02 AM, said:

Bloody hell you guys have talked a lot today.

@ Blend: I'm sure the time will come when I will refresh, there was just nothing in it for me this round. I gave you that PN for a measly trade good and an AC - you don't think I would at least choose when it gets used?

As for the agendas, I'm yet to consider them properly. I do have quite a bit of influence to wield now however...

I mean, that is fine. I figured you would rather get it out of the way now if you didn't need the commodities anyway, rather than in the future when you might actually need them. Now if you want me to hold back it will cost you.

Hold back what exactly It's in your interest to keep lobbying for me to get a free refresh now. Come on Blend, wipe away those salty tears. We're all just trying to get by in this crazy galaxy of ours.

[Blend]

Khellendros, on 29 April 2018 - 08:46 AM, said:

Blend, on 29 April 2018 - 02:10 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 29 April 2018 - 02:02 AM, said:

Bloody hell you guys have talked a lot today.

@ Blend: I'm sure the time will come when I will refresh, there was just nothing in it for me this round. I gave you that PN for a measly trade good and an AC - you don't think I would at least choose when it gets used?

As for the agendas, I'm yet to consider them properly. I do have quite a bit of influence to wield now however...

I mean, that is fine. I figured you would rather get it out of the way now if you didn't need the commodities anyway, rather than in the future when you might actually need them. Now if you want me to hold back it will cost you.

Hold back what exactly It's in your interest to keep lobbying for me to get a free refresh now. Come on Blend, wipe away those salty tears. We're all just trying to get by in this crazy galaxy of ours.

Why would I risk worrying about trying to make sure you get a free refresh after that shit you just pulled? If anything I will lobby for you to never get the free refresh.

[Khellendros]

Blend, on 29 April 2018 - 12:58 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 29 April 2018 - 08:46 AM, said:

Blend, on 29 April 2018 - 02:10 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 29 April 2018 - 02:02 AM, said:

Bloody hell you guys have talked a lot today.

@ Blend: I'm sure the time will come when I will refresh, there was just nothing in it for me this round. I gave you that PN for a measly trade good and an AC - you don't think I would at least choose when it gets used?

As for the agendas, I'm yet to consider them properly. I do have quite a bit of influence to wield now however...

I mean, that is fine. I figured you would rather get it out of the way now if you didn't need the commodities anyway, rather than in the future when you might actually need them. Now if you want me to hold back it will cost you.

Hold back what exactly It's in your interest to keep lobbying for me to get a free refresh now. Come on Blend, wipe away those salty tears. We're all just trying to get by in this crazy galaxy of ours.

Why would I risk worrying about trying to make sure you get a free refresh after that shit you just pulled? If anything I will lobby for you to never get the free refresh.

Then unless I get the trade card I expect that you will never see the fruits of that PN. Which, in fairness, is worth more than what you paid for it. I almost suggested giving it for just 1TG, but figured you might find that a little too suspicious.

[Khellendros]

Question: Do wormholes count as adjacent hexes for purposes of deal making? Are Tapper and I adjacent now that he has moved to Mallice?

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 29 April 2018 - 08:33 AM, said:

twelve, on 28 April 2018 - 07:30 PM, said:

Nicodimas, on 28 April 2018 - 06:56 PM, said:

twelve, on 28 April 2018 - 06:54 PM, said:

twelve, on 28 April 2018 - 06:43 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 28 April 2018 - 06:34 PM, said:

twelve, on 28 April 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

Ih Khell played leadership, do you not want to gain back command tokens with your influence?

I completely missed that, whoops I'd set aside 3 influence for it too, anyone mind a retcon?

I hadn't actually specified Silvano as a dnz in my provisional, drek did that not sure why, but if I could have done that I would have!

Not sure what to do given the new directives. Twelve you still willing to support me on a directive?

Which directive? Currently I'm going to vote for Qucen'n for the disarmament and against the Swords so all my planets aren't completely undefended. If you feel strongly about anything else let me know and I probably can be convinced to vote for you for a price.

Actually I think I may have changed my mind on the Swords agenda. I need to talk to the mod to see if what I want to do is viable.

@12 express if you would like me vote a certain way

I would like to know what people are thinking on each of the agendas first to get an idea of if I need to start trying to bribe others to vote a certain way. I'm clearly the player with the most at risk on these agendas so I would like to know where people's heads are at. Do you have any thoughts on either one of them?

Does that not play into morgoths hands with his racial ability?

That said I'm against swords into plowshares and will probably vote against compensated disarmament or for one of my own planets. I could be convinced to voting for another planet, mecatol rex for example would make things interesting but that would be more of a benefit to you, morgoth and nico.

Wishing I'd known agendas could change as I'm guessing we'd have both been a lot more specific in our deal if we had!

With no discussion at all Morgoth has a 50% chance of getting it right. There is bound to be someone who will want something one way or another anyway that will tip the odds in his favor.with the agenda having the potential of wiping out viritually all my ground forces in one series of votes damn right I want to know what people are thinking.

And I agree that realizing agendas could change was a bit surprisong. But now we know for next round.

[twelve]

Khellendros, on 29 April 2018 - 01:50 PM, said:

Question: Do wormholes count as adjacent hexes for purposes of deal making? Are Tapper and I adjacent now that he has moved to Mallice?

I wwould assume so but will leave it to the mod to verify.

[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 29 April 2018 - 01:50 PM, said:

Question: Do wormholes count as adjacent hexes for purposes of deal making? Are Tapper and I adjacent now that he has moved to Mallice?

Yes

[D'rek]

@Tatts: since I still don't see any agreement/resolution/fix of your impossible two commodity deals from you I've edited your last action. You lose the leadership secondary since you're trying to spend TGs that don't exist on it.

From my reading of the thread, looks like you and Blend had agreed to do a 1:1 on your turn, but you still never edited your post to reflect that and kept insisting on 2:2 which is impossible. I'm okay with you switching it back to 1:1 as long as Blend still agrees and you do it quickly, but after another few players' turns I'm just going to chalk this one up to you 2 not reaching agreement on the deal and leave it as is.

[Tattersail_]

D'rek I can pay for it with New Albion, i was saying that both Blend and I agreed to 2 2 on my turn

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

D'rek I can pay for it with New Albion

Sure. Edit it accordingly

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

i was saying that both Blend and I agreed to 2 2 on my turn

And I keep telling you that you don't have 2 commodities left to exchange on your turn.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 29 April 2018 - 04:09 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

D'rek I can pay for it with New Albion

Sure. Edit it accordingly

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

i was saying that both Blend and I agreed to 2 2 on my turn

And I keep telling you that you don't have 2 commodities left to exchange on your turn.

How about the remaining 1:1 on my turn? So in total on turn 3 Blend and I did 2:2. Am I going crazy?

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2018 - 04:14 PM, said:

D, on 29 April 2018 - 04:09 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

D'rek I can pay for it with New Albion

Sure. Edit it accordingly

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

i was saying that both Blend and I agreed to 2 2 on my turn

And I keep telling you that you don't have 2 commodities left to exchange on your turn.

How about the remaining 1:1 on my turn? So in total on turn 3 Blend and I did 2:2. Am I going crazy?

One week ago, you were walking through the woods. You were wearing a long red cape and carrying a basket within which were 4 apples. You saw a cute squirrel and decided to give him 1 apple, and the nice little squirrel in exchange gave you a speedboat. You went home and put the basket of apples on the sofa.

Three days ago, you picked up that same basket of apples and went out fishing with your new speedboat. You used 2 apples as fishing bait, and as it turned out you caught 2 manatees using those 2 apples. You went home and left the apple basket on a bookshelf.

Today, you pick up the apple basket again and go back to the woods. As luck would have it, you see the very same cute squirrel and think you should make additional apple-for-speedboat exchanges.

Now you *could* simply exchange the 1 apple left in your basket for another speedboat...

But instead, you keep telling me that since you and the squirrel had agreed two weeks to exchange two apples for two speedboats, that (forgetting/ignoring/pretending not to think about the 1-apple-to-speedboat exchange 1 week ago) you will somehow magically pull 2 apples out of your basket right now. I just don't see how that is possible when you've already given away 3 of your 4 apples.

You have one apple left. You can trade it away right now, on YOUR turn. You can save it for later and give it away in the future.

You cannot pull 2 apples out of your basket.

You cannot pull out 1 apple and reach through the chasms of space-time to exchange it in some past turn; you can only exchange it now, on this very turn, or on some future turn.

You are not Doctor Who and ergo you cannot reach through the chasms of space-time to reclaim the apple you gave to the squirrel last week in order to have 2 apples now.

I'm the one going crazy.

[Tattersail_]

I'll edit it working the hour.

[Blend]

What is this 1TG that Nico is giving me about? I think maybe that was meant for Twelve

[twelve]

Blend, on 29 April 2018 - 04:37 PM, said:

What is this 1TG that Nico is giving me about? I think maybe that was meant for Twelve

I was just going to ask this as well. And Nico, I want to keep our dealings at a distance. Plus I wouldn't mind having that system myself.

[Imperial Historian]

First combat!

[Blend]

Just so we're clear, this is how things went re: Tatts and my trading, yes?

On turn 2, Tatts had 1/4 Commodities.
On Tatts' turn 3, Trade primary was used, putting Tatts at 4/4 Commodities.
On my turn 3, I trades 1:1 with Tatts, which would leave him at 3/4.
On Twelve's turn 3, he trades 2:2 with Tatts, which would leave him at 1/4.
On Tatts' turn 4, he trades an additional 1:1 with me, putting him at 0/4.

This means that in the end, Tatts and I *did* trade 2:2, just that we did one on my turn, and one on his? I just wanna make sure that I have my TGs correct when it comes back around to me.

[Tattersail_]

Yes. I'll edit it in

[D'rek]

Blend, on 29 April 2018 - 04:37 PM, said:

What is this 1TG that Nico is giving me about? I think maybe that was meant for Twelve

Oops, yeah, it's the 1TG for PN thing Twelve and he worked out earlier. I'll edit.

[D'rek]

Blend, on 29 April 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

Just so we're clear, this is how things went re: Tatts and my trading, yes?

On turn 2, Tatts had 1/4 Commodities.
On Tatts' turn 3, Trade primary was used, putting Tatts at 4/4 Commodities.
On my turn 3, I trades 1:1 with Tatts, which would leave him at 3/4.
On Twelve's turn 3, he trades 2:2 with Tatts, which would leave him at 1/4.
On Tatts' turn 4, he trades an additional 1:1 with me, putting him at 0/4.

This means that in the end, Tatts and I *did* trade 2:2, just that we did one on my turn, and one on his? I just wanna make sure that I have my TGs correct when it comes back around to me.

Correct