[Tattersail_]

But to be fair to you Khell it's IH and Nico that have to worry about Morgoth the most;

• You have an agreement with him
• Wormhole B is within his sights

Or not and no one should worry early in the game if he ends up going towards Bereg/Lirta iv.

He has options though because he's last to go.

[Khellendros]

@ Nico:

You still need to correct your post in the game thread.





(Can you tell I'm just waiting around to post my action already?)

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 17 April 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

I'm moving a carrier, a fighter and two infantry to the two planet hex next to mine and occupying both. Will do it on thread when I'm at a computer.

Re negotiations
Blend I notice you have the ability to trade action cards, my whole schtick seems to be have lots of action cards so some sort of deal with you as action card trade arbiter could be beneficial for us both.

Twelve what would it take for you to include me in the free commodity refresh? Could trade with you via blend?

Nico not sure we'll be neighbouring this turn, but would also be happy to trade with you.

Also to everyone my unique tech lets me look at people's action cards and take one, I'm going to be doing that largely at random, but focussing on the point leader/whoever someone pays me to take one from. I can provide info on someone else's action cards for a price. I can also not take action cards from people for a price, since action cards are kind of my thing though I am going to be taking them as I don't have much else going for me!

The Yssaril spy network is open for business

I don't think we are neighbors so can't trade right away as a binding deal. If and when we do how about giving me 3 action cards of your choice.Seems like you shold have plenty by then. If you have a counter offer I'm willing to listen.

[D'rek]

Tapper, on 17 April 2018 - 06:20 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 16 April 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

Thanks for that analysis tapper I had completely misunderstood how this game works and now realise I probably won't be able to do most of what I wanted to. Ah well should have read the rules more closely.

Anyhow...

Ummmm anyone want to trade?

Blend I'll probably be occupying the two planet system next to you so could feasibly trade with you?

I'm also planning to move to sylvan so would happily trade with anyone neighbouring said system.

Also since it doesn't particularly matter to me when I play warfare I'm open to agreements on when to play it.

Sorry to bring the bad news .


For D'rek to answer, regarding Primary of Warfare:
Action 1: IH targets his Cruiser (for the ease of this example) with the Primary of Warfare.
Question: What happens if as Action 2 he activates Wellon and moves a Carrier from his Home System towards it, without moving the Cruiser with it?
Per the wording of the Primary, at the moment of departure, the Carrier has an additional move (1 standard, +1 from Primary of Warfare) so it could theoretically reach Wellon and that makes it a legal move.

However, after its first hop it reaches Gwynan. There, it no longer shares a system with the Cruiser. Would it now lose the move bonus, so that it can no longer reach Wellon by itself?
What happens, 1a or 2a?

1a Is the Carrier now stranded in Gwynan?
1b If so, Gwynan is not the active system, so IH cannot colonize it, right?
1c Gwynan is not activated, correct?
1d So the Carrier could (potentially) be making a second move this round?
2a Or is the whole movement instant, and the bonus only lost when the Carrier concludes its movement (because moving from HS-->Gwynan-->Wellon is considered one move of multiple hexes and the road to it is checked for hostile ships before the move takes place)?
2b therefore from the start to the end of its journey it has the movement and combat bonus, but it loses them directly upon arrival (making the combat bonus irrelevant if there are enemies in the system)?

This won't bring IH extra colonies, I think, but if option 1 is correct, it will be very interesting later in the game for fleet movements with regard to 1d.

Definitely 2a+2b. Anytime you move ships they either complete the intended move successfully (they have sufficient movement rating, they are not pinned by enemy ships en route, etc) or they don't move at all. Movement modifier effects are all figured out/applied before the ship moves and then the movement is instant.

The only effects that are decided "en route" are things that might blow the ship up, like certain action cards or rolling for a ship passing through the Gravity Rift.

But even if you want to think of it in the 1a manner, it could simply be that the move from home system to Gwynan is the bonus +1 move, and then once the carrier is in Gwynan it loses the bonus but still hasn't used its normal 1 move, and now it uses its normal 1 move to reach Wellon.



Though *I* like to think of it as:

Commodore Yessahnossah of the YSS Cruiser Uhhuhuhhuh announces his impending marriage to Baroness Hhellen of Space Troy, the beloved noblewoman/diplomat/fashionista that (Space?) Cosmo magazine titled "The woman who could launch a thousand spaceships". Rumour quickly spreads to all the ships stationed in the home system that Yessahnossah has been showing his fiancee around the fleet, meeting with other captains, and noble as she is even miscellaneous crewmen have gotten the chance to meet her.

Suddenly, every serviceman and -woman is showing up to work hours ahead of schedule. Space decks are being swabbed without complaint. Space masts are being polished and trimmed. Lights that have been burnt out for decades are being replaced, hull patches are finally being properly re-plated, and that one maintenance ticket about the high-pitched electronic screaming noise that emits from any Type-6F Secondary Hydroponics Hypervisor terminal every 427 minutes has actually been fixed and closed. Everyone wants everything to be perfect if the Baroness should happen to visit their little corner of their ship.

Furthermore, there is much talk amongst the crews about what if the Uhhuhuhhuh were sent out on assignment. It's not uncommon for Yssaril captains to bring their spouses with them on campaign. No orders have been hinted at so far, but every member of every crew agrees - if their ship is deployed alongside the Uhhuhuhhuh they'll give no quarter to any enemy who might dare lay a finger concentrated beam weapon upon their idol.

For the crew of the YSS Carrier Thasfineyges, however, they instead receive orders to venture out to the Wellon system, carrying a cadre of diplomats and a battalion of garrison troops to bring the locals there into the fold of the expanding Yssaril empire. With all the maintenance, preparation, and enthusiasm built up over the last couple months the ship is in the best shape it has ever been, and reaches the Wellon system in record time. But as the weeks orbiting Wellon drift by the crew - now isolated and away from the hubbub of the capital - quickly return to their old punctual-but-lazy habits.

[Tapper]

twelve, on 17 April 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 April 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

I'm moving a carrier, a fighter and two infantry to the two planet hex next to mine and occupying both. Will do it on thread when I'm at a computer.

Re negotiations
Blend I notice you have the ability to trade action cards, my whole schtick seems to be have lots of action cards so some sort of deal with you as action card trade arbiter could be beneficial for us both.

Twelve what would it take for you to include me in the free commodity refresh? Could trade with you via blend?

Nico not sure we'll be neighbouring this turn, but would also be happy to trade with you.

Also to everyone my unique tech lets me look at people's action cards and take one, I'm going to be doing that largely at random, but focussing on the point leader/whoever someone pays me to take one from. I can provide info on someone else's action cards for a price. I can also not take action cards from people for a price, since action cards are kind of my thing though I am going to be taking them as I don't have much else going for me!

The Yssaril spy network is open for business

I don't think we are neighbors so can't trade right away as a binding deal. If and when we do how about giving me 3 action cards of your choice.Seems like you shold have plenty by then. If you have a counter offer I'm willing to listen.

Eh, Twelve? The Politics Primary allows everyone to draw 2 cards for 1 CT. A CT is worth roughly 3 goods.

At the rates your asking, it will be significantly cheaper for roughly half of the players to just pay the Command Token to refresh, in which case they don't owe you anything nor will you see anything out of them doing so.

In fact, have you considered giving the refresh to everyone for free? Future holders of the Trade SC (except perhaps a few who you are at war with) will likely repay you in kind - likely saving you multiple Command Tokens over the course of the game.

[D'rek]

I posted for IH. Khell is up next. Back around to ItGnaws

[Tattersail_]

So Morgoth chose to go to Daemon first, and Bereg second, good job you got those extra command tokens Tapper, as your home system is the same jump away from Daemon as Bereg is.

[Blend]

Tapper, on 17 April 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

Eh, Twelve? The Politics Primary allows everyone to draw 2 cards for 1 CT.

You mean the secondary, yeah?

[Blend]

Tapper, on 17 April 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

In fact, have you considered giving the refresh to everyone for free? Future holders of the Trade SC (except perhaps a few who you are at war with) will likely repay you in kind - likely saving you multiple Command Tokens over the course of the game.

This early in the game I wouldn't be terribly opposed to this. I mean, I need other people to have commodities for me to be able to make trades. Having at least have one round of free commodities refreshing will certainly get the economic aspects of this game up and running.

Of course, it's up to you!

If you WERE to limit its use, I would recommend allowing those bordering us to refresh for free, while allowing those on the other side of the galaxy to fend for themselves.

[Blend]

Imperial Historian, on 17 April 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

Re negotiations
Blend I notice you have the ability to trade action cards, my whole schtick seems to be have lots of action cards so some sort of deal with you as action card trade arbiter could be beneficial for us both.

Well, I'll definitely have a couple action cards more than most if not all of you after Round 1 is over, so will definitely be open to discuss trades with you once I have them in my hand!

[Itwæs Nom]

Giving Gnaw some time to show up and confirm before posting the action

[D'rek]

Itwæs Nom, on 17 April 2018 - 04:09 PM, said:

Strategic Action
--play Imperial card

Which parts of the primary are you doing / not doing? (add that to the post)

e.g.:

Itwæs Nom, on 17 April 2018 - 04:09 PM, said:

Strategic Action: IMPERIAL
--Not scoring a public objective
--Draw 1 secret objective

[Imperial Historian]

Blend, on 17 April 2018 - 03:36 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 April 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

Re negotiations
Blend I notice you have the ability to trade action cards, my whole schtick seems to be have lots of action cards so some sort of deal with you as action card trade arbiter could be beneficial for us both.

Well, I'll definitely have a couple action cards more than most if not all of you after Round 1 is over, so will definitely be open to discuss trades with you once I have them in my hand!

Cool I was also thinking you could act as a galactic broker of action cards if you were interested.

[Blend]

Imperial Historian, on 17 April 2018 - 04:26 PM, said:

Blend, on 17 April 2018 - 03:36 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 April 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

Re negotiations
Blend I notice you have the ability to trade action cards, my whole schtick seems to be have lots of action cards so some sort of deal with you as action card trade arbiter could be beneficial for us both.

Well, I'll definitely have a couple action cards more than most if not all of you after Round 1 is over, so will definitely be open to discuss trades with you once I have them in my hand!

Cool I was also thinking you could act as a galactic broker of action cards if you were interested.

The Hacan are always happy to act as an intermediary, for a price!

[Itwæs Nom]

D, on 17 April 2018 - 04:12 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 17 April 2018 - 04:09 PM, said:

Strategic Action
--play Imperial card

Which parts of the primary are you doing / not doing? (add that to the post)

e.g.:

Itwæs Nom, on 17 April 2018 - 04:09 PM, said:

Strategic Action: IMPERIAL
--Not scoring a public objective
--Draw 1 secret objective

Edited

[D'rek]

Itwæs Nom, on 17 April 2018 - 04:32 PM, said:

D, on 17 April 2018 - 04:12 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 17 April 2018 - 04:09 PM, said:

Strategic Action
--play Imperial card

Which parts of the primary are you doing / not doing? (add that to the post)

e.g.:

Itwæs Nom, on 17 April 2018 - 04:09 PM, said:

Strategic Action: IMPERIAL
--Not scoring a public objective
--Draw 1 secret objective

Edited

Looks good, thanks!

Tapper is up next.


So, everyone, a Strategic Action has been played. If you want to perform the secondary effect, you will do so at the start of your next turn (before your own action). If you're skipping it, you don't need to specify at the start of your next post that you are skipping it (but you can if you want).

Also, if you're submitting any provisionals, it'd be a good idea to think about what you want to do if any other strategies are played between now before your action. Even if it won't affect your play at all, doesn't hurt to let me know that. Most of the time, if I have a provisional from you that doesn't mention doing/skipping a secondary I will assume skip and not hold up the game (but if, say, you're getting invaded and it would be helpful, I will most likely wait).

[Imperial Historian]

Tapper, on 17 April 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

twelve, on 17 April 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 April 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

I'm moving a carrier, a fighter and two infantry to the two planet hex next to mine and occupying both. Will do it on thread when I'm at a computer.

Re negotiations
Blend I notice you have the ability to trade action cards, my whole schtick seems to be have lots of action cards so some sort of deal with you as action card trade arbiter could be beneficial for us both.

Twelve what would it take for you to include me in the free commodity refresh? Could trade with you via blend?

Nico not sure we'll be neighbouring this turn, but would also be happy to trade with you.

Also to everyone my unique tech lets me look at people's action cards and take one, I'm going to be doing that largely at random, but focussing on the point leader/whoever someone pays me to take one from. I can provide info on someone else's action cards for a price. I can also not take action cards from people for a price, since action cards are kind of my thing though I am going to be taking them as I don't have much else going for me!

The Yssaril spy network is open for business

I don't think we are neighbors so can't trade right away as a binding deal. If and when we do how about giving me 3 action cards of your choice.Seems like you shold have plenty by then. If you have a counter offer I'm willing to listen.

Eh, Twelve? The Politics Primary allows everyone to draw 2 cards for 1 CT. A CT is worth roughly 3 goods.

At the rates your asking, it will be significantly cheaper for roughly half of the players to just pay the Command Token to refresh, in which case they don't owe you anything nor will you see anything out of them doing so.

In fact, have you considered giving the refresh to everyone for free? Future holders of the Trade SC (except perhaps a few who you are at war with) will likely repay you in kind - likely saving you multiple Command Tokens over the course of the game.

Yeah from my brief survey of action cards I'd value most action cards as worth the equivalent of 2 goods, some more, some less.

I'd certainly offer a free trade refresh to anyone who refreshes me for free if I ever take trade.

Also twelve I think that blend can act as an intermediary to allow people to trade through him, is that right?

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 17 April 2018 - 04:40 PM, said:

Tapper, on 17 April 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

twelve, on 17 April 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 April 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

I'm moving a carrier, a fighter and two infantry to the two planet hex next to mine and occupying both. Will do it on thread when I'm at a computer.

Re negotiations
Blend I notice you have the ability to trade action cards, my whole schtick seems to be have lots of action cards so some sort of deal with you as action card trade arbiter could be beneficial for us both.

Twelve what would it take for you to include me in the free commodity refresh? Could trade with you via blend?

Nico not sure we'll be neighbouring this turn, but would also be happy to trade with you.

Also to everyone my unique tech lets me look at people's action cards and take one, I'm going to be doing that largely at random, but focussing on the point leader/whoever someone pays me to take one from. I can provide info on someone else's action cards for a price. I can also not take action cards from people for a price, since action cards are kind of my thing though I am going to be taking them as I don't have much else going for me!

The Yssaril spy network is open for business

I don't think we are neighbors so can't trade right away as a binding deal. If and when we do how about giving me 3 action cards of your choice.Seems like you shold have plenty by then. If you have a counter offer I'm willing to listen.

Eh, Twelve? The Politics Primary allows everyone to draw 2 cards for 1 CT. A CT is worth roughly 3 goods.

At the rates your asking, it will be significantly cheaper for roughly half of the players to just pay the Command Token to refresh, in which case they don't owe you anything nor will you see anything out of them doing so.

In fact, have you considered giving the refresh to everyone for free? Future holders of the Trade SC (except perhaps a few who you are at war with) will likely repay you in kind - likely saving you multiple Command Tokens over the course of the game.

Yeah from my brief survey of action cards I'd value most action cards as worth the equivalent of 2 goods, some more, some less.

I'd certainly offer a free trade refresh to anyone who refreshes me for free if I ever take trade.

Also twelve I think that blend can act as an intermediary to allow people to trade through him, is that right?

Blend *can* be an intermediary, if he is willing. There will be some delay to it, though, as trades are only resolved on one of the players' turns, and this will also make the deals non-instant therefore non-binding.

[Blend]

Imperial Historian, on 17 April 2018 - 04:40 PM, said:

Tapper, on 17 April 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

twelve, on 17 April 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 April 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

I'm moving a carrier, a fighter and two infantry to the two planet hex next to mine and occupying both. Will do it on thread when I'm at a computer.

Re negotiations
Blend I notice you have the ability to trade action cards, my whole schtick seems to be have lots of action cards so some sort of deal with you as action card trade arbiter could be beneficial for us both.

Twelve what would it take for you to include me in the free commodity refresh? Could trade with you via blend?

Nico not sure we'll be neighbouring this turn, but would also be happy to trade with you.

Also to everyone my unique tech lets me look at people's action cards and take one, I'm going to be doing that largely at random, but focussing on the point leader/whoever someone pays me to take one from. I can provide info on someone else's action cards for a price. I can also not take action cards from people for a price, since action cards are kind of my thing though I am going to be taking them as I don't have much else going for me!

The Yssaril spy network is open for business

I don't think we are neighbors so can't trade right away as a binding deal. If and when we do how about giving me 3 action cards of your choice.Seems like you shold have plenty by then. If you have a counter offer I'm willing to listen.

Eh, Twelve? The Politics Primary allows everyone to draw 2 cards for 1 CT. A CT is worth roughly 3 goods.

At the rates your asking, it will be significantly cheaper for roughly half of the players to just pay the Command Token to refresh, in which case they don't owe you anything nor will you see anything out of them doing so.

In fact, have you considered giving the refresh to everyone for free? Future holders of the Trade SC (except perhaps a few who you are at war with) will likely repay you in kind - likely saving you multiple Command Tokens over the course of the game.

Yeah from my brief survey of action cards I'd value most action cards as worth the equivalent of 2 goods, some more, some less.

I'd certainly offer a free trade refresh to anyone who refreshes me for free if I ever take trade.

Also twelve I think that blend can act as an intermediary to allow people to trade through him, is that right?

The way it would work is you would trade to me, then I would have to trade to Twelve. So you'd be taking the risk that I might decided to just keep what you were trying to trade to Twelve, PLUS I'd get to see what you're trading as it will be in my hand before it gets to Twelve.

It would also be dependent on me not passing or whatever before we can do it. During this round, your turn is after mine, so you'd trade to me on my turn, then it would come all the way back around to my turn, where I *could* trade to Twelve, and then he'd have it on HIS turn.

[Tapper]

Apart from a Promissory Note I am offering to exchange with Morgoth, I am done, and Tattersail is up.

EDIT: just to clarify: no Secondary of Imperial from me.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 17 April 2018 - 04:46 PM