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the warrens of K'rul

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Posted 16 September 2005 - 10:52 AM

the warrens are a part of K'rul but which ones, is it all of them?

Is it just the ones accessible to humans or is it the elder warrens as well.
Or for example, we here about Hoods warren, is this a part of K'rul or does this stem from hood himself in some way?

Also where did the elder gods like draconus draw their power?

And if it is all of them, does this mean that he is older than mother dark and the dragons and everyone else?

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Posted 16 September 2005 - 12:16 PM

All warrens are born of one - Starvald Demelain.
K'rul, like Draconus is part eleint.. ergo - Starvald Demelain.. with Kurald Galain ...
Osric is Starvald Demelain and Kurald Thyrllan.

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Posted 20 September 2005 - 12:27 PM

And Rake is Starvald Demelain and Kuruld Galain, right?

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Posted 20 September 2005 - 01:12 PM

Aye, the warrens in this system are atleast. We don't know wether the system of warrens the Crippled God comes from is part of K'Rul or not.

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Posted 20 September 2005 - 01:13 PM

Rather not, I think. Since his House of Chains was not sanctioned and he wasn't accepted as a player before Paran allowed him to become one...

I mean, everyone is treating him like a stranger and he seems to be using the Warrens of Chaos... I don't thinkhe is a "part of the system" so to speak.

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Posted 20 September 2005 - 01:21 PM

Is there a warren for Chaos? I thought that Chaos was beneath all the warrens...

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Posted 20 September 2005 - 01:33 PM

Yes, but the place is called (and I think NOT only in GotM) "the warrens of Chaos"

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Posted 20 September 2005 - 02:37 PM

OK, my mistake... Though technically it isn't a "normal" (as it were) warren...

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Posted 20 September 2005 - 02:38 PM

I never said it were

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Posted 20 September 2005 - 02:54 PM

OK, OK... Just wanted to make sure...

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Posted 20 September 2005 - 09:17 PM

Roland said:

ALL warrens are born of Starvald Demelain.
that would include chaos?

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Posted 20 September 2005 - 09:28 PM

"maybe in the BEGINNING of it all there was chaos and then out of chaos came mother dark and the dragons and whatnotelse which in the end created the malazan world...

maybe from chaos other beings came as well who had no contact to mother dark and created other different worlds "somewhere out there" one of these worlds could be the one the CG comes from
now if the mages who conjured the CG to the malazan world were using chaos-magic they could have had a link to these other worlds as all worlds originate from chaos...

so they yanked him from for all we know was heaven to a place that is so alien to him (the CG) and that crippled him to madness"

I'm quoting myself here from another thread... my point is that chaos is all around the warrens. it kind of is the background for all other warrens ... and is in itself accessible via the path of warrens because it is LIKE a warren but it was there before them all... that was what I thought it is...

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Posted 20 September 2005 - 09:47 PM

It was darkness first, then chaos.
Hence K'rul's formation of order on the warrens.
Twin hearts of Kurald Emurlahn and Starvald Demelain
therefore SD = chaos...
However, there are many forms of chaos - as there are different forms of the warren of darkness, the warren of shadow etc with Meanas and Rashan...therefore the Crippled God's use of chaos is probably one particular aspect of chaos.. as opposed to pure SD.