[Gintokian]

I agree, I'm actually really looking forward to this one. It's nice to see some other stories told that aren't related to the jedi, an evil empire, and a band of rebels. It's cool to have something new and different in the star wars universe.

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Traveller, on 08 May 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

I would have thought that supporting the movies that are more like this and Rogue One would be more beneficial in the long run. Especially if you don't want more like tLJ!

Personally I'd rather have more individual SW movies from different directors set in and around the existing timeline, so I'll be there.

The problem with this notion is that supporting this out of the gate on opening weekend gives Disney/LFL the idea that TLJ didn't burn those of us it clearly burned. They could then be like "See?! All the complainers were just sexist fanboys who can't get over themselves. A drop in the bucket!" which isn't the case.

I'll still be supporting it monetarily eventually...but my little act of protest after TLJ will be to keep my money from the first weekend (and possibly second weekend) grosses, in the hopes that if there are enough of us, Kat Kennedy and Bob Iger (especially) get the idea that TLJ didn't sit well with everyone.

It likely won't do a damned thing...but I will at least feel good about the decision to do so.

Also, let's not forget that Kennedy and Johnson essentially tried to sell us "Forget the past, kill it if you have to! The future is the new way the force is going. Forget the OT!"....pause...."Oh, but please go see our needless Han Solo prequel in May, which takes place in the past and concerns some of those OT characters, just played by new people...please still do that! But afterwards FORGET THE PAST....oh, until the KENOBI movie..."

You get the picture. LOL

[Gintokian]

I feel like the backlash against TLJ was already enough to let them know people didn't like it. What I don't want to happen is for them to think these anthology films aren't popular and they stop doing them. If anything don't see the next episodic movie when it comes out but support these ones. If they do end up doing a Kenobi movie I would be so happy, Ewan McGregor deserves to be in an actually GOOD star wars movie.

[QuickTidal]

Gintokian, on 08 May 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

I feel like the backlash against TLJ was already enough to let them know people didn't like it.

They haven't felt it properly yet. That's why the reception of SOLO is important. Part of the problem though is that SOLO never should have been made. It's the backstory of a character that never needed one. Who Han WAS was never important, since we saw the tail end of that behaviour in ANH. Han was about who he BECOMES. But for some reason they decided that they would recast the most iconic character in the OT, and make a prequel about the very time we don't need to know about. Like I said, it looks good...but that doesn't mean it's not a needless anthology movie. There are FAR better subjects to make Anthology movies about.

Gintokian, on 08 May 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

What I don't want to happen is for them to think these anthology films aren't popular and they stop doing them.

They won't. This one will still make decent bank (probably not ROGUE ONE numbers, but still decent). They will pump them out methodically until they get a true flop....and even that won't stop them....they will just course correct.

Gintokian, on 08 May 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

If anything don't see the next episodic movie when it comes out but support these ones.

Actually, my hope is that JJ sets out to rectify the things I don't like about TLJ...and if I see those aspects present in the trailers for IX, I will happily patronize that film opening weekend. The problem is that JJ likes his secrets too much, so the chances those things will show up in the trailers is SLIM.

Gintokian, on 08 May 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

If they do end up doing a Kenobi movie I would be so happy, Ewan McGregor deserves to be in an actually GOOD star wars movie.

He would argue that he was. He's one of the staunchest defenders of the Prequels, and gets really upset when people talk smack about them.

[Traveller]

Yeah, I remember years back when people were wishing they could have some SW stories, under the direction of someone other than just Lucas. We've now got R1 from Gareth Edwards, and now a Ron Howard movie... good times!

The reason I love Clones Wars and Rebels is the way they tell their own stories with their own cast, but include enough of the OT to tie it all in. Clone Wars added much needed depth to the PT; I'm hoping Resistance will do the same for the latest trilogy. These spin-off movies are just like longer episodes; so much potential for good stories in the SW universe that are not bound by progressing the series so much but are just set within it.

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QuickTidal, on 08 May 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

They haven't felt it properly yet. That's why the reception of SOLO is important. Part of the problem though is that SOLO never should have been made. It's the backstory of a character that never needed one. Who Han WAS was never important, since we saw the tail end of that behaviour in ANH. Han was about who he BECOMES. But for some reason they decided that they would recast the most iconic character in the OT, and make a prequel about the very time we don't need to know about. Like I said, it looks good...but that doesn't mean it's not a needless anthology movie. There are FAR better subjects to make Anthology movies about.

I'm not so sure about that, I feel like Disney is definitely putting some serious pressure on Kennedy and JJ to get the next one right after the shit kicking TLJ got.


I would argue that it is not a needless anthology movie, at least from Disney's perspective. I feel like they're making these movies about characters we love (Han Solo, Kenobi/Boba Fett?) and plot lines we wanted to know (Rogue one) to get people interested in these one off movies. I bet they thought that if they started with a more obscure story line, then the general public wouldn't be as interested in seeing it. Sure, as star wars fans you and I would for sure go see it but they're trying to reach as many as possible.
It's also possible they could have jumped right in to all new stuff and done well but they're probably looking to make as much money as possible, and throwing in some nostalgia with new stories would do that.

QuickTidal, on 08 May 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

Actually, my hope is that JJ sets out to rectify the things I don't like about TLJ...and if I see those aspects present in the trailers for IX, I will happily patronize that film opening weekend. The problem is that JJ likes his secrets too much, so the chances those things will show up in the trailers is SLIM.

So to protest your distaste in TLJ you're going to skip the Han Solo one, which is totally different and separate, but still go see IX opening weekend? I'm not sure I understand the logic, to me that's like saying I didn't like Thor 2 so I'm not seeing the new spiderman, sure they're in the same world but they're completely different movies with different writers and directors.

QuickTidal, on 08 May 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

He would argue that he was. He's one of the staunchest defenders of the Prequels, and gets really upset when people talk smack about them.

He would argue that, but it would be nice if the fans could agree, I mean how many of us watch the prequels over again like the OT? It would be nice to see him in a good movie for his sake and for the fans.

[QuickTidal]

Gintokian, on 08 May 2018 - 01:41 PM, said:

So to protest your distaste in TLJ you're going to skip the Han Solo one, which is totally different and separate, but still go see IX opening weekend? I'm not sure I understand the logic, to me that's like saying I didn't like Thor 2 so I'm not seeing the new spiderman, sure they're in the same world but they're completely different movies with different writers and directors..

Yes, because I want LFL to feel the impact of a less than stellar opening weekend in ticket sales. And SOLO is the next movie going out from them, so it's the one that takes the hit. Shrug.

AFTER that hit is felt, perhaps there is a course correction in IX at LFL to try to appeal more broadly to audiences with IX than it did in VIII.

And I actually LIKE JJ Abrams (my issues with TFA aside, I found it a decent and enjoyable movie...if tromping over very similar ground as ANH)...I've never really liked Rian Johnson. I think LOOPER is an overrated piece of shit movie full of plot holes and inconsistencies. If JJ tweaks things back into what he started them out as in TFA and ignores what Rian attempted, I would be willing to see it opening weekend....but again that would hinge on what I saw in the trailers...and I doubt retcons like that would show up in the trailers anyways. I won't see IX opening weekend if it looks like status quo continuing on the path TLJ set the series off on. JJ has a STEEP road to climb to win me back as it is....what they did to Luke is UNFORGIVABLE in my eyes, and the entire Sequel Trilogy so far is an exercise in "resetting the table at zero with OUR cast, not yours."

And I NEVER said I'd skip SOLO. I said I would not see it on opening weekend. Again, they still get my money eventually. The point is to send a message (minor as it may be, I accept that. It's my own little protest, whatever good it will or won't do) that I'm not just going to blindly accept what they throw on the screen just because it's Star Wars.

[Traveller]

I wouldnt say that no one 'needing' a Solo movie is a reason not to have one. We don't 'need' any of them - but when we were kids playing Star Wars in the playground, everyone wanted to be Han Solo.

We've already seen where he goes, we've seen him make his ultimate choice. Now we get to see a whole movie about him, Chewie, Lando, Falcon and all. Like watching Obi wan in the prequels, it will add something extra to the other movies too. I also don't have a problem with Alden - they're casting Solo, not Harrison Ford. (I mean, Obi wan appears in Clone Wars, Prequels, Rebels and OT, all in a slightly different form on screen, but it's still Obi wan. I don't see the difference with Solo.)

May not need it but it looks damn fun.

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Traveller, on 08 May 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

I wouldnt say that no one 'needing' a Solo movie is a reason not to have one. We don't 'need' any of them - but when we were kids playing Star Wars in the playground, everyone wanted to be Han Solo.

We've already seen where he goes, we've seen him make his ultimate choice. Now we get to see a whole movie about him, Chewie, Lando, Falcon and all.

May not need it but it looks damn fun.

I don't disagree at all. It DOES look fun.

I just come at it from the POV of opening up Han Solo's past is an exercise in relative pointlessness, since it's something that in ANH needed to change for him to be who he was meant to be and him to be a hero. Han Solo as he was circa ANH was not a very good person, and only comes around after being prodded into doing the right thing. We care about Han because of who he becomes. Who he was at the end of ANH, and in TESB and ROTJ and after...who he was before that is both irrelevant and only compelling if the film pulls off a solid secondary story with all the side characters.

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QuickTidal, on 08 May 2018 - 02:47 PM, said:

Traveller, on 08 May 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

I wouldnt say that no one 'needing' a Solo movie is a reason not to have one. We don't 'need' any of them - but when we were kids playing Star Wars in the playground, everyone wanted to be Han Solo.

We've already seen where he goes, we've seen him make his ultimate choice. Now we get to see a whole movie about him, Chewie, Lando, Falcon and all.

May not need it but it looks damn fun.

I don't disagree at all. It DOES look fun.

I just come at it from the POV of opening up Han Solo's past is an exercise in relative pointlessness, since it's something that in ANH needed to change for him to be who he was meant to be and him to be a hero. Han Solo as he was circa ANH was not a very good person, and only comes around after being prodded into doing the right thing. We care about Han because of who he becomes. Who he was at the end of ANH, and in TESB and ROTJ and after...who he was before that is both irrelevant and only compelling if the film pulls off a solid secondary story with all the side characters.

That may be true, but I wouldn't say it's an exercise in pointlessness. They want to make a fun movie with one of the most beloved sw characters. We do care about him because of who he becomes but that also means we care about his story and how he ended up where he was in ANH in the first place. And like I said, it's to get people hyped up for star wars again for when they want to make more new anthology movies with new stories.

[Traveller]

QuickTidal, on 08 May 2018 - 02:47 PM, said:

Traveller, on 08 May 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

I wouldnt say that no one 'needing' a Solo movie is a reason not to have one. We don't 'need' any of them - but when we were kids playing Star Wars in the playground, everyone wanted to be Han Solo.

We've already seen where he goes, we've seen him make his ultimate choice. Now we get to see a whole movie about him, Chewie, Lando, Falcon and all.

May not need it but it looks damn fun.

I don't disagree at all. It DOES look fun.

I just come at it from the POV of opening up Han Solo's past is an exercise in relative pointlessness, since it's something that in ANH needed to change for him to be who he was meant to be and him to be a hero. Han Solo as he was circa ANH was not a very good person, and only comes around after being prodded into doing the right thing. We care about Han because of who he becomes. Who he was at the end of ANH, and in TESB and ROTJ and after...who he was before that is both irrelevant and only compelling if the film pulls off a solid secondary story with all the side characters.

I don't know, I don't think having a movie expanding on a characters previously unknown past is pointless and irrelevant. And does it even have to be, if the point is to tell a decent story about what characters were up to at a stage before they were originally introduced?

When Solo swaggers into aNH, he's been places, knows shit, and makes Luke look like the farmer he is. Ok, he's selfish and out for number one, and we get to see him change, but it doesn't make a movie about what lead him there pointless.

It's just a good excuse to have a movie with Han and Chewie flying about in the falcon getting into trouble. Kind of what I've wanted for years.

[Traveller]

Briar King, on 08 May 2018 - 03:05 PM, said:

*cough Vader killing fleeing Jedi like dogs for 2+hrs/Yoda doing something Yoday

Ha, yes, Vader Down on screen would be a blast.

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Traveller, on 08 May 2018 - 03:28 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 08 May 2018 - 02:47 PM, said:

Traveller, on 08 May 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

I wouldnt say that no one 'needing' a Solo movie is a reason not to have one. We don't 'need' any of them - but when we were kids playing Star Wars in the playground, everyone wanted to be Han Solo.

We've already seen where he goes, we've seen him make his ultimate choice. Now we get to see a whole movie about him, Chewie, Lando, Falcon and all.

May not need it but it looks damn fun.

I don't disagree at all. It DOES look fun.

I just come at it from the POV of opening up Han Solo's past is an exercise in relative pointlessness, since it's something that in ANH needed to change for him to be who he was meant to be and him to be a hero. Han Solo as he was circa ANH was not a very good person, and only comes around after being prodded into doing the right thing. We care about Han because of who he becomes. Who he was at the end of ANH, and in TESB and ROTJ and after...who he was before that is both irrelevant and only compelling if the film pulls off a solid secondary story with all the side characters.

I don't know, I don't think having a movie expanding on a characters previously unknown past is pointless and irrelevant. And does it even have to be, if the point is to tell a decent story about what characters were up to at a stage before they were originally introduced?

When Solo swaggers into aNH, he's been places, knows shit, and makes Luke look like the farmer he is. Ok, he's selfish and out for number one, and we get to see him change, but it doesn't make a movie about what lead him there pointless.

It's just a good excuse to have a movie with Han and Chewie flying about in the falcon getting into trouble. Kind of what I've wanted for years.

The mystique about that (Han's past) is a good trait, not a flaw that needed explaining/exploitation. That's my issue. Han having a somewhat mysterious, somewhat nefarious criminal past is interesting....unless you dig in and explore it...because then you rob it of anything interesting. Just MHO.

[Gintokian]

QuickTidal, on 08 May 2018 - 03:46 PM, said:

Traveller, on 08 May 2018 - 03:28 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 08 May 2018 - 02:47 PM, said:

Traveller, on 08 May 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

I wouldnt say that no one 'needing' a Solo movie is a reason not to have one. We don't 'need' any of them - but when we were kids playing Star Wars in the playground, everyone wanted to be Han Solo.

We've already seen where he goes, we've seen him make his ultimate choice. Now we get to see a whole movie about him, Chewie, Lando, Falcon and all.

May not need it but it looks damn fun.

I don't disagree at all. It DOES look fun.

I just come at it from the POV of opening up Han Solo's past is an exercise in relative pointlessness, since it's something that in ANH needed to change for him to be who he was meant to be and him to be a hero. Han Solo as he was circa ANH was not a very good person, and only comes around after being prodded into doing the right thing. We care about Han because of who he becomes. Who he was at the end of ANH, and in TESB and ROTJ and after...who he was before that is both irrelevant and only compelling if the film pulls off a solid secondary story with all the side characters.

I don't know, I don't think having a movie expanding on a characters previously unknown past is pointless and irrelevant. And does it even have to be, if the point is to tell a decent story about what characters were up to at a stage before they were originally introduced?

When Solo swaggers into aNH, he's been places, knows shit, and makes Luke look like the farmer he is. Ok, he's selfish and out for number one, and we get to see him change, but it doesn't make a movie about what lead him there pointless.

It's just a good excuse to have a movie with Han and Chewie flying about in the falcon getting into trouble. Kind of what I've wanted for years.

The mystique about that (Han's past) is a good trait, not a flaw that needed explaining/exploitation. That's my issue. Han having a somewhat mysterious, somewhat nefarious criminal past is interesting....unless you dig in and explore it...because then you rob it of anything interesting. Just MHO.

Except in the old EU where everything was explained. Unless they cover his entire life up to ANH there could still be lots of room for mystery and what not. We won't really know until the movie comes out I suppose.

[Traveller]

I do know what you mean, QT, and Vader is the best example. In aNH he was a powerful but mysterious black knight, who was weirdly subservient to Tarkin. He was great because we knew literally nothing about him. Then the movie sums up his past perfectly in a few lines from Obi wan to Luke - and that's all we needed to know. We really, really didn't need to see him as a kid.

I see Solo differently though - whereas the prequels were George's attempt at explaining Vader, spoiling the mystique in the process, Solo isn't attempting to do anything like that. It's not trying to explain anything, it's making use of an already established cast to make a new adventure. It won't ruin any mystique anyway, as there was very little about Han in the first place - you get an easy, quick grasp of his character and motives in about three scenes between Mos Eisley and the Death Star.

[QuickTidal]

The early reaction are out (mostly positive, if not overly glowing)....but the best info that came out was the super secret cameo has been revealed.

Spoiler

Darth Maul is in SOLO.

Apparently he's a hologram in the criminal underworld section. Played by Ray Park (who WAS at the premiere apparently)m and voiced by Sam Witwer, so the voice lines up with how he sounds on REBELS.

So Cool, I LOVE Darth Maul!

[Gintokian]

QuickTidal, on 11 May 2018 - 05:08 PM, said:

The early reaction are out (mostly positive, if not overly glowing)....but the best info that came out was the super secret cameo has been revealed.

Spoiler

Darth Maul is in SOLO.

Apparently he's a hologram in the criminal underworld section. Played by Ray Park (who WAS at the premiere apparently)m and voiced by Sam Witwer, so the voice lines up with how he sounds on REBELS.

So Cool, I LOVE Darth Maul!

Wow so apparently when you quote someone the spoiler is there, I probably should have known that...
I was GOING to say that is was taking all of my mental willpower not to look at that spoiler but too late now

[QuickTidal]

Gintokian, on 11 May 2018 - 05:34 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 11 May 2018 - 05:08 PM, said:

The early reaction are out (mostly positive, if not overly glowing)....but the best info that came out was the super secret cameo has been revealed.

Spoiler

Darth Maul is in SOLO.

Apparently he's a hologram in the criminal underworld section. Played by Ray Park (who WAS at the premiere apparently)m and voiced by Sam Witwer, so the voice lines up with how he sounds on REBELS.

So Cool, I LOVE Darth Maul!

Wow so apparently when you quote someone the spoiler is there, I probably should have known that...
I was GOING to say that is was taking all of my mental willpower not to look at that spoiler but too late now

Yeah, sorry man. I found that out myself a number of years ago making the same mistake.

[Gintokian]

QuickTidal, on 11 May 2018 - 05:36 PM, said:

Gintokian, on 11 May 2018 - 05:34 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 11 May 2018 - 05:08 PM, said:

The early reaction are out (mostly positive, if not overly glowing)....but the best info that came out was the super secret cameo has been revealed.

Spoiler

Darth Maul is in SOLO.

Apparently he's a hologram in the criminal underworld section. Played by Ray Park (who WAS at the premiere apparently)m and voiced by Sam Witwer, so the voice lines up with how he sounds on REBELS.

So Cool, I LOVE Darth Maul!

Wow so apparently when you quote someone the spoiler is there, I probably should have known that...
I was GOING to say that is was taking all of my mental willpower not to look at that spoiler but too late now

Yeah, sorry man. I found that out myself a number of years ago making the same mistake.

sigh, oh well, I imagine it's not going to be a major plot point so I should be ok. That is really cool though, makes me more excited to see it now.

[QuickTidal]

Gintokian, on 11 May 2018 - 05:38 PM, said:

sigh, oh well, I imagine it's not going to be a major plot point so I should be ok. That is really cool though, makes me more excited to see it now.

It won't be a big plot point, just a cool cameo...and yeah it makes me more excited too.