[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

polishgenius, on 18 February 2025 - 06:09 AM, said:

Tiste Simeon, on 18 February 2025 - 04:45 AM, said:

Link doesn't work for me can someone provide context please?

The internet is chatting about a now-deleted Naomi King video admitting she made up the sexual assault, so I'm assuming it's that.

Do you have a link to the internet?

Oh wait, here's one (this is just the top Google result):

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King made a new video insinuating the Fantasy BookTuber paid her for sex, before going into multiple reenactments and frantic graphic descriptions [...]

[The sexual assault allegation] was followed by his entire Discord moderation team turning against him, several podcasts and fantasy institutions[...] virtue signaling against him ["virtue signaling" is a bit of a loaded term, IDK about this blog], and even Brandon Sanderson unfollowing him on Instagram.

Now, she's come out with a new twenty-minute video incoherently rambling about the situation where she's changed her tune to a point where this appears more and more like a situation where a woman was used, discarded, and is seeking revenge for not being able to be with the man she wanted.

https://fandompulse....ideo-on-fantasy

First Google Reddit result:

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People that come forward with accusations should be BELIEVED. This is very important and the lack of belief in a victim coming forward is why so many people get away with horrible crimes.

Consent is given not taken. And you can withdraw consent at any point, even during consensual moments. [Not after the fact, though.]

That being said.

People in the fantasy book community, booktok and so called "friends" of Daniel Greene have been absolutely disgusting in their vilification and immediate tearing down of this man's career.

https://www.reddit.c..._daniel_greene/

If you commit to 100% belief in every sexual assault claim and your actions are consistent with your beliefs you will act as if they're true. But you don't have to "believe" in sexual assault claims to take them seriously and believe that they may be true, and that you have an ethical imperative to treat them as probably true. (While the percentage of sexual assault claims without clear evidence of nonconsensual violence which have been proven false beyond a reasonable doubt is low, that's not enough to rigorously conclude that most are true, even though it seems intuitively plausible to assume that most are, if only because of the severity of the accusation and the pressure under which SA have historically been placed---although the former may be mitigated by the assumption that "they said - they said" cases will fail to breach the US justice system's "beyond a reasonable doubt" requirement or the well-publicized reluctance of US police to fully investigate sexual assault claims, and the latter mitigated or reversed by the positive attention and power that sexual assault victims are accorded by many now.)

Top comment in the Reddit thread:

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I watched her video. It was incredibly difficult to listen to. It was an incredibly emotional and if I'm being honest, convincing, portrayal of somebody who's been SA'd. I've met and talked with people before who have been through similar situations and it felt extremely familiar.

I'll admit, it didn't look great for him, and his very "legal" response was a similar approach to what somebody else I followed that has been the subject of drama (Iskall85) took, and with Iskall's fairly obvious guilt, I think I just dismissed this situation more than I should have.

Wonder if those "Allegedly" t-shirts will be enough to keep him "canceled"...

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 18 February 2025 - 01:25 PM

[worry]

What I posted was her third video (hadn't seen the second one, yikes to that). The third video was a brief and essentially self-serving (imo) "apology" video to Daniel Greene, his wife, and SA victims generally. It was full of "I never said he did ____ but I'm sorry everyone took it that way". All the videos are private now so it's difficult to convey how much the first video was very much a direct accusation with intense pained behavior (I hesitate to call it acting, but it was at least deceptive) and 'receipts' that -- as it turns out -- she deliberately mis-framed or outright lied about. I don't want to belabor the point, because given the whole string of events I'm not sure if she might not have a serious mental illness.

I will post Daniel Greene's detailed response below, just in case anyone wishes to see it. Obviously this is not plain 'internet drama' but some very serious and potentially triggering and/or life-wrecking subject matter.

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Interesting is how his lawyer(s), rather than tell their client to shut up and then start launching (more) cease/desists and threats of defamation or other civil proceedings on the accuser, it seems they dug in on the internet side and coached him through preparing/recording/publicizing this video response, which, from the limited coverage i've seen and her last response, appears to have worked. It's a shift from the usual where a US lawyer is engaged, vs take the lawyer out and it's the we said-they said that plays out among cosplayers youtubers etc etc a few times a year).

Now she's retreated and withdrawn and looks discredited. Curious to see whether she launches another volley or goes quiet.


He seems to be in the clear from her nastier allegations, and outted as a cheater.


No one seems to be drawing any Gaiman comparisons (not that i've looked very hard), but i wonder whether that prompted her to start this.

[HoosierDaddy]

What a shit show. I'm sure this won't have reverberations that echo in the sexual assault allegations public marketplace.

[polishgenius]

Abyss, on 18 February 2025 - 04:23 PM, said:

He seems to be in the clear from her nastier allegations, and outted as a cheater.

This reminds me a bit of the Lynch/Bear/Alexandra Rowland thing a few years ago (though Rowland never recanted their accusation so it's still open for people to decide if they were telling the truth- I don't for a few reasons but some might differ) where it seemed to become fairly clear that Lynch definitely behaved badly but on a level that was really just between himself, his wife and Rowland and the rest was things twisted or made up. King hasn't come out of this looking good, but unless there's further wild twists he doesn't seem to have abused anyone.

[QuickTidal]

worry, on 18 February 2025 - 02:39 PM, said:

What I posted was her third video (hadn't seen the second one, yikes to that). The third video was a brief and essentially self-serving (imo) "apology" video to Daniel Greene, his wife, and SA victims generally. It was full of "I never said he did ____ but I'm sorry everyone took it that way". All the videos are private now so it's difficult to convey how much the first video was very much a direct accusation with intense pained behavior (I hesitate to call it acting, but it was at least deceptive) and 'receipts' that -- as it turns out -- she deliberately mis-framed or outright lied about. I don't want to belabor the point, because given the whole string of events I'm not sure if she might not have a serious mental illness.

I will post Daniel Greene's detailed response below, just in case anyone wishes to see it. Obviously this is not plain 'internet drama' but some very serious and potentially triggering and/or life-wrecking subject matter.

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Cripes, I go to Mexico for a week and this whole thing unrolls way further!

Yeah, their other video in conjunction with his receipts tells me that Naomi has got DEEEEEP mental health issues. That first video was VERY believable, and that’s kinda scary that they were able to not only present their supposed receipts as truth, but tailors their physical response like they did to truly make it seem like assault…

I’m glad Daniel was able to present his side and let the chips fall where they may, and his receipts definitely paint more of a picture of a cheaty weekend than assault.

This kind of thing really makes life so much tougher for real survivors, and Naomi should be ashamed of that(it seems like they are; but we will see how far that goes).

That Kayla has forgiven Daniel and that they clearly are still working towards trust is palpable.

I don’t feel as bad about owning his book anymore. This has really thrown me for a loop though…Naomi’s video convinced a LOT of people he was terrible. But to actually see the videos of them admitting what they did…wild shit. Like admitting ON VIDEO to a consensual affair you feel bad about that you sent to his girlfriend ….and then trying to release a video claiming SA? Fucking hell…

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: Today, 04:25 PM

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Mental health issues aren't off the table but there's a sense of badly planned vengeance/attention scam gone wrong.