[Kilava]

Merrid, on 15 June 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 June 2017 - 01:44 PM, said:

Merrid, on 15 June 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 15 June 2017 - 12:41 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 June 2017 - 12:19 PM, said:

There's a good 12+ hours left in the day.

Need more from Jalan. A modkill warning should prompt participation, not just "here I am to avoid a modkill. See you in another 36."

I think your math might be off. Depending on whether PS update was mistaken or correct, we're like 3 or 30 hours from timeout.

To more important matters: I'm bloody sure we should be lynching Lock. Jalan is a total deadweight though and keeping him around is less than ideal, so if there's a push that way, I will vote there too.

As for me, well, it's all on thread. The whole case on me was built on Lock's accusation which is simply impossible. If that doesn't convince you, nothing will, so there's no point in further debate.

Actually I have found a way that the accusation against you can be true and possible.

Lets say we start off with 2 vamps, Spike and Drusilla.

Lets say they have an alternating kill/recruit NA.

They recruit on Night 1, no deaths.

Night 2 Drusilla dies, no NA, with the kill the recruit inherits the power.

Night 3 the recruit kills, which is spotted by Lock.

And so, yeah, you can be a vampire and killer.

Spike was the inheritor of the kill power. Of course, I can't be sure of that, but I have my reasons for thinking that.

And two vampires to start seems too low in a 12 player game.

How do you know this? Please clarify.

As to the Spike inheritance, I can't clarify due to the non-reveal clause in the rules. But it's what I'm led to believe and what makes sense to me.

If you're talking about two vampires being too low to start, even with a recruitment mechanic, I can only say that it's my opinion based on minimal experience, so I could be so not right that I'm not even wrong.

[Merrid]

I think we need to lynch Nimander.

This Lock-Nimander thing has been going on for too long. The only way to resolve it is by testing Lock's claim and to do that, we need to lynch Nimander.

Why Nimander? Because his claim, that it is impossible he has a kill power is wrong.

This is a game with recruitment mechanics and potential inheritance mechanics.

Hell, there could have been a third starting vamp with a one-time kill ability.

We cannot reasonably rule out Nimander has a kill ability. Doing so would be irresponsible.

But why not lynch Lock? Because of a comparative BCS-WCS scenario.

We lynch Nimander. BCS he is a vamp. WCS he is RI.

We lynch Lock. BCS he is a vamp. WCS he is roled town.

I will take an RI lynch over a roled Town lynch anyday.

We need to lynch Nimander.

Vote Nimander.

[Kilava]

Or I'm so not right that I'm wronger than wrong, which is probably more accurate. But of Spike inheriting, I'm pretty confident in that, even if it turns out to be wrong.

[Kilava]

Merrid, on 15 June 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

I think we need to lynch Nimander.

This Lock-Nimander thing has been going on for too long. The only way to resolve it is by testing Lock's claim and to do that, we need to lynch Nimander.

Why Nimander? Because his claim, that it is impossible he has a kill power is wrong.

This is a game with recruitment mechanics and potential inheritance mechanics.

Hell, there could have been a third starting vamp with a one-time kill ability.

We cannot reasonably rule out Nimander has a kill ability. Doing so would be irresponsible.

But why not lynch Lock? Because of a comparative BCS-WCS scenario.

We lynch Nimander. BCS he is a vamp. WCS he is RI.

We lynch Lock. BCS he is a vamp. WCS he is roled town.

I will take an RI lynch over a roled Town lynch anyday.

We need to lynch Nimander.

Vote Nimander.

Why is your WCS for Nimander that he is RI? He could be Buffy for all we know.

[Merrid]

Kilava, on 15 June 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

Merrid, on 15 June 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

I think we need to lynch Nimander.

This Lock-Nimander thing has been going on for too long. The only way to resolve it is by testing Lock's claim and to do that, we need to lynch Nimander.

Why Nimander? Because his claim, that it is impossible he has a kill power is wrong.

This is a game with recruitment mechanics and potential inheritance mechanics.

Hell, there could have been a third starting vamp with a one-time kill ability.

We cannot reasonably rule out Nimander has a kill ability. Doing so would be irresponsible.

But why not lynch Lock? Because of a comparative BCS-WCS scenario.

We lynch Nimander. BCS he is a vamp. WCS he is RI.

We lynch Lock. BCS he is a vamp. WCS he is roled town.

I will take an RI lynch over a roled Town lynch anyday.

We need to lynch Nimander.

Vote Nimander.

Why is your WCS for Nimander that he is RI? He could be Buffy for all we know.

He has given zero indication of that. He came pretty close to being lynched and could have hinted at a role.

[Kilava]

He hasn't come anywhere near being lynched. He has been under siege for days though.

I've got to go do things I don't want to do. Be back later.

[Rashan]

Kilava, on 15 June 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

He hasn't come anywhere near being lynched. He has been under siege for days though.

Agree but

Merrid, on 15 June 2017 - 02:28 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 June 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

Why is your WCS for Nimander that he is RI? He could be Buffy for all we know.

He has given zero indication of that. He came pretty close to being lynched and could have hinted at a role.

Off the top of my hat, is him claiming to be positive that I'm not a vampire not a hint at being roled?

[Rashan]

Rashan, on 15 June 2017 - 02:50 PM, said:

Off the top of my hat

That wasn't autocorrect, haha

[Jalan]

Rashan, on 15 June 2017 - 02:50 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 June 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

He hasn't come anywhere near being lynched. He has been under siege for days though.

Agree but

Merrid, on 15 June 2017 - 02:28 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 June 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

Why is your WCS for Nimander that he is RI? He could be Buffy for all we know.

He has given zero indication of that. He came pretty close to being lynched and could have hinted at a role.

Off the top of my hat, is him claiming to be positive that I'm not a vampire not a hint at being roled?

In a game with recruitment, it is wise to take any and all claims of innocence with a grain of salt. Though you may not have been a vamp/whatever yesterday, it doesn't mean you weren't recruited.

[Rashan]

Jalan, on 15 June 2017 - 03:50 PM, said:

Rashan, on 15 June 2017 - 02:50 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 June 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

He hasn't come anywhere near being lynched. He has been under siege for days though.

Agree but

Merrid, on 15 June 2017 - 02:28 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 June 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

Why is your WCS for Nimander that he is RI? He could be Buffy for all we know.

He has given zero indication of that. He came pretty close to being lynched and could have hinted at a role.

Off the top of my hat, is him claiming to be positive that I'm not a vampire not a hint at being roled?

In a game with recruitment, it is wise to take any and all claims of innocence with a grain of salt. Though you may not have been a vamp/whatever yesterday, it doesn't mean you weren't recruited.

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about

And nevermind that I told exactly the same thing to Nimander recently

[Jalan]

Yeah, well, I'm coming from behind here.

[Galain]

Merrid, on 15 June 2017 - 02:28 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 June 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

Merrid, on 15 June 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

I think we need to lynch Nimander.

This Lock-Nimander thing has been going on for too long. The only way to resolve it is by testing Lock's claim and to do that, we need to lynch Nimander.

Why Nimander? Because his claim, that it is impossible he has a kill power is wrong.

This is a game with recruitment mechanics and potential inheritance mechanics.

Hell, there could have been a third starting vamp with a one-time kill ability.

We cannot reasonably rule out Nimander has a kill ability. Doing so would be irresponsible.

But why not lynch Lock? Because of a comparative BCS-WCS scenario.

We lynch Nimander. BCS he is a vamp. WCS he is RI.

We lynch Lock. BCS he is a vamp. WCS he is roled town.

I will take an RI lynch over a roled Town lynch anyday.

We need to lynch Nimander.

Vote Nimander.

Why is your WCS for Nimander that he is RI? He could be Buffy for all we know.

He has given zero indication of that. He came pretty close to being lynched and could have hinted at a role.

While I am likely to vote Nimander, I have to disagree on your final statement.

Nimander definitely did suggest that (remember them urging us to go look at the previous game roles/mechanics?) They strongly hinted that was the case (and that's what Thyrllan backed them up on).

[Jalan]

Galain, on 15 June 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

Merrid, on 15 June 2017 - 02:28 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 June 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

Merrid, on 15 June 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

I think we need to lynch Nimander.

This Lock-Nimander thing has been going on for too long. The only way to resolve it is by testing Lock's claim and to do that, we need to lynch Nimander.

Why Nimander? Because his claim, that it is impossible he has a kill power is wrong.

This is a game with recruitment mechanics and potential inheritance mechanics.

Hell, there could have been a third starting vamp with a one-time kill ability.

We cannot reasonably rule out Nimander has a kill ability. Doing so would be irresponsible.

But why not lynch Lock? Because of a comparative BCS-WCS scenario.

We lynch Nimander. BCS he is a vamp. WCS he is RI.

We lynch Lock. BCS he is a vamp. WCS he is roled town.

I will take an RI lynch over a roled Town lynch anyday.

We need to lynch Nimander.

Vote Nimander.

Why is your WCS for Nimander that he is RI? He could be Buffy for all we know.

He has given zero indication of that. He came pretty close to being lynched and could have hinted at a role.

While I am likely to vote Nimander, I have to disagree on your final statement.

Nimander definitely did suggest that (remember them urging us to go look at the previous game roles/mechanics?) They strongly hinted that was the case (and that's what Thyrllan backed them up on).

Damnit, this actually makes a lot of sense. There are only a few characters/roles that crossover between the seasons and Buffy would very likely function the same way she did in the first game.

[Jalan]

Thyrllan, on 08 June 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

I can't say I like your "I just fake_symped a human for teh lulz" answer, Rash. But I also find it to be too ballsy, dumb attention-drawing a move for a vamp to make.

Currently I feel that Merrid needs a closer look. Hopefully I have time to do that tomorrow.

Hmm, Thyr was Spike. Thyr had already protected an innocent player once, did he really do it twice, or was he distancing?

Do you have fangs there Rash?

[Rashan]

Jalan, on 15 June 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 08 June 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

I can't say I like your "I just fake_symped a human for teh lulz" answer, Rash. But I also find it to be too ballsy, dumb attention-drawing a move for a vamp to make.

Currently I feel that Merrid needs a closer look. Hopefully I have time to do that tomorrow.

Hmm, Thyr was Spike. Thyr had already protected an innocent player once, did he really do it twice, or was he distancing?

Do you have fangs there Rash?

If you're assuming that either Nim or Lock are scum then these two are same things

Fangs where?

[Kilava]

Let's keep in mind that Spike voted for Lock. There are any number of reasons for him to do that, but the most obvious one is that he knew he was voting for a human.

[Kilava]

And Thyr/Spike/Ment at least professed a willingness to switch to Nimander if necessary.

[Jalan]

Kilava, on 15 June 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

Let's keep in mind that Spike voted for Lock. There are any number of reasons for him to do that, but the most obvious one is that he knew he was voting for a human.

That is a fair point.

One thing I was noticing over a reread though, is just how many times players kept mentioning doubts about Rash's allegiance, but how he kept dodging anything solid sticking to him. That paired with defence from a known fanger makes me nervous.

I'll take a closer look at the Silchas/Lock clusterfuck.

[Rashan]

Everyone who is alive at this point should be a recruit right?

I'm hesitant about voting Nimander because of his claimed find on me. He had expressed his suspicions of me multiple times before the day he said I'm not a vampire, so that fits. And if we're to go by the Buffy last game and I'm correct then it should be only Buffy who has a find and is most likely RP. If this wasn't as likely as it seems to me now I'd probably be all for lynching Nim. Maybe Galain's really been correct whole this time...

I was hesitant to post this becuase I didn't want to just add to the fire under Nim by looking like I'm defending him again, but that's just my thoughts and main reason why I'm so indecisive.

[Jalan]

Does anyone have a quick reference handy as to which characters have appeared? I can dig it up if no one does, but I don't really want to at the moment.