[Abyss]

I know there's a certain level of fondness for Cavill bcs he, vocally at least, claimed love for the source material, but let's be honest here, WB/DC movie money is guaranteed multiple millions every 3-4 years, minimum, with loads of time off in between.

Netflix is 'k great work here's your S3 paycheque see you for S4 oh wait maybe not we'll get back to you'.

Cavill has every motive in the world to drop the sword and go full time underoos.

Hemsworth... i'm reasonably sure he can do the roll just fine. I could be wrong, but he's a talented enough actor to fill that roll and keep the fantasy spectacle working. He's not Chris but the Witcher isn't Thor and doesn't need to be.


Speaking as someone who has ambivalence at best for the books/games, i've enjoyed the Netflix series so far. I can ack the highs and lows, but i was entertained til the S2 finale which is more than i can say for some other sf/f episodic works w bigger budgets. If between story, overall cast, and fx, the show can't survive the switch it was unlikely to last much longer in any event.

[QuickTidal]

S2 was MESSY. I think my wife bailed on the show at some point during S2, which should show you where "random" viewers lay on the subject.

[amphibian]

I quite liked Season 2. The only real criticisms I have are that the finale was more of a "here's Season 3's big bads being introduced" than complete in itself and the Geralt + Ciri relationship doesn't really get going until the orb school.

Season 2 presented different relationships very well - especially Jaskier and Geralt, Geralt and Yennefer, or Jaskier and Yennefer.

I think Cavill, if he was involved in punching up Geralt, has the right instincts to push the writers room to better story beats and the two entities combined for several pure fun bits in the show.

[Cause]

Cavill appears to be a guneuine Geek. Witcher, warhammer and world of warcraft he appears to enjoy all of these things and more.

That said the cynic in me couldt help but wonder how much of the outrage is real and how much of it is a PR campaign to get him out of the Netflix contract and keep the love of the fans. I dont know any of the backgrounf details, interviews etc but it was one of my first questions.

Superman wont keep him so busy he doesnt have the time, but it might mean his time is worth more than Netflix would be willing or able to pay.

When I see a Star in a straigh to streaming Netflix movie I cant help but think they had no better offers, it cant be as lucrative as the silver screen.

[Maark Abbott]

QuickTidal, on 31 October 2022 - 01:09 PM, said:

Maark Abbott, on 31 October 2022 - 12:49 PM, said:

I do recall that a friend who loves the books was REALLY unhappy with season 2, so if the writing was an issue and Cavs is a massive Witcher nerd, it would definitely explain it.

writer Beau DeMayo, who's written a couple episodes of The Witcher and also put together the writer's room for the upcoming X-Men '97 show on Disney+.

"My general rule was you HAD to be a fan," he said during an Instagram Q&A session. "No questions."

I've been on show – namely Witcher – where some of the writers were not or actively disliked the books and games, even actively mocking the source material. It's a recipe for disaster and bad morale. Fandom as a litmus test checks egos, and makes all the long nights worth it. You have to respect the work before you're allowed to add to its legacy.

This sounds very much like something that would send Cavill packing since we know he's such a fan.

And if Lauren Schmidt Hissrich as showrunner can't reign in those writers, then the show deserves to fail.

Jeez, that's awful. I can't imagine getting a writer in who hates the subject they're writing for. That's how you get people pronouncing stuff like "Melly Telly".

[Aptorian]

I could see a writing team having issues with translating the books and respecting the source material.

The short stories are great but the main series of books are terrible. And I say that despite having read all five of those books desperately hoping for some payoff.

[amphibian]

The people who can afford to be writers on TV shows is much more of a narrow band of people than would normally feature a genius in the rough or a room full of big time fans who also can work with Hollywood evolutions and current gestalt. A ton of writers are the people who can afford to be in a boom/bust industry long term, interview well on random bullshit, and can make the right connections.

This shapes a ton of how we watch TV. The Good Place only went to the heights it did because they paid the fuck out of their writers and did things to really feature their ideas developed over months.

For the source material, I think the Netflix show has done a quite good job overall. Not Magicians on SyFy level good, but very enjoyable.

[Abyss]

It is fascinating how many people are absolutely certain Cavill bailed bcs the writers weren't staying close enough to the books. Like, he quit on principle and just happened to fall back into a higher profile job that pays way more for less work.

[Tiste Simeon]

Abyss, on 01 November 2022 - 03:04 AM, said:

It is fascinating how many people are absolutely certain Cavill bailed bcs the writers weren't staying close enough to the books. Like, he quit on principle and just happened to fall back into a higher profile job that pays way more for less work.

This. I'm sure there was an element of his love for the books being a big part of why he wanted the role, and finding it wasn't quite what he thought would be a blow... But yeah he's a smart dude he'll be looking at the numbers and it's likely a no brainer.

[QuickTidal]

Abyss, on 01 November 2022 - 03:04 AM, said:

It is fascinating how many people are absolutely certain Cavill bailed bcs the writers weren't staying close enough to the books. Like, he quit on principle and just happened to fall back into a higher profile job that pays way more for less work.

Oh no, I’m sure both were factors, with the Superman role being the bigger of the two, but writing you don’t agree with helps you walk easier I would think. If he wanted to do both, I bet he could have organized that to happen, as it’s not like you scoot a Superman movie every year.

[Maark Abbott]

QuickTidal, on 01 November 2022 - 12:18 PM, said:

Abyss, on 01 November 2022 - 03:04 AM, said:

It is fascinating how many people are absolutely certain Cavill bailed bcs the writers weren't staying close enough to the books. Like, he quit on principle and just happened to fall back into a higher profile job that pays way more for less work.

Oh no, I'm sure both were factors, with the Superman role being the bigger of the two, but writing you don't agree with helps you walk easier I would think. If he wanted to do both, I bet he could have organized that to happen, as it's not like you scoot a Superman movie every year.

That's just it. He had a very clear passion for playing Geralt, did it really well and was generally well regarded for it. Scheduling conflicts would be one thing, but I think if it was that he would be quite likely to just come out and say that scheduling was why. The lack of a given reason makes me suspect.

[Abyss]

Too much overlap in the fan bases. He wouldnt risk alienating the Witcher fans by flat out out saying 'woohoo Superman money so long witches!'. He stays quiet and they fill in the story they want.

[QuickTidal]

Abyss, on 03 November 2022 - 03:37 AM, said:

Too much overlap in the fan bases. He wouldnt risk alienating the Witcher fans by flat out out saying 'woohoo Superman money so long witches!'. He stays quiet and they fill in the story they want.

Well Abyss.

Unfortunately, we were right, and you were wrong (it done't happen often, but we need to note it when it does).

https://geektyrant.c...-witcher-series

[worry]

I haven't read the books or played the games, but the show is overall pretty tight, and Geralt/Cavill is the biggest reason for that. What are the big character differences between the sources and the show, if those can be described without big spoilers?

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 04 November 2022 - 02:04 PM, said:

Abyss, on 03 November 2022 - 03:37 AM, said:

Too much overlap in the fan bases. He wouldnt risk alienating the Witcher fans by flat out out saying 'woohoo Superman money so long witches!'. He stays quiet and they fill in the story they want.

Well Abyss.

Unfortunately, we were right, and you were wrong (it done't happen often, but we need to note it when it does).

https://geektyrant.c...-witcher-series

Not that it matters whether i'm right or wrong about this, but you're citing a blogger, citing another blogger, citing an interview from over a year ago as a basis for speculating that the narrative the witcher fans are clutching is true.

I get it, i get it, people want to believe that Cavill is a regular guy and geek, and i'm sure that on some level he is, but i'm also sure he likes taking moneysbaths in his moneytub while sipping moneytinis and eating fancy canapes of little folded bills of money served to him by people who love him for his money.

[amphibian]

The way Hollywood works, we won't know the real reasons why Cavill left for another 5-10 years. It's too early to be definitively saying "This is the main reason" unless you have contacts in Cavill's camp and get the backstage stuff that a only few hundred people do.

[Abyss]

amphibian, on 05 November 2022 - 01:03 AM, said:

... unless you have contacts in Cavill's camp and get the backstage stuff that a only few hundred people do.

I admit to nothing.

...why yes, these ARE limited edition Superman PJs autographed by the entire Justice League cast, why do you ask?

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

'Henry Cavill Will Not Reprise Role as Superman, DC Comics CEO Confirms'

Henry Cavill Will Not Reprise Role as Superman, DC Comics CEO Confirms

... so if that was his real primary reason for leaving The Witcher... is it too late for him to return for season 4?

[worry]

Wth, now he's down 8 points on the IMDbPro Starmeter...my pension was tied to this...

[Tsundoku]

worry, on 15 December 2022 - 11:59 AM, said:

Wth, now he's down 8 points on the IMDbPro Starmeter...my pension was tied to this...

At least you didn't peg it to Krypto ...