[Jalan]

2nd time lucky:

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 09:34 AM, said:

Jalan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

Do you think scum get involved in dragonsex banter? I'd have thought D1 avoid anything that could draw the random lynch

Nice way to rule yourself out there. Though I also notice that your banter amounted to a couple of half-hearted posts.

Again light jibe my way. Thyrs banter was little more than mine. Of those heavily dragonsexing: Ampelas, Rashan, Barghast. 2 CF'd town of 3. Those touching the edges: Jalan, Thyrllan, Merrid (with 1 post), Kilava. 1 CF'd town of 4.

I'll stand by the heavy dragon sex not being a scum place to be thanks.

[Jalan]

Mentalist, on 07 April 2017 - 05:28 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 07 April 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

Having said which, I'd prefer to have a bit more response than just 'I can switch', which just makes me nervous at this point in the game.

I had a busy morning. lemme go find my Day 2 posts on Jalan and Cast.

Also log back into your alt dude

[Jalan]

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 12:09 AM, said:

Okay, so I am sceptical about Silchas slipping. It would have to be a super dumb slip too, after all what are scum most focused on if not kills. But I also don't see the vig being a vengeance/list thing - I think most likely they just wanted to pop one off before being knocked off themselves...premature yes, but stil somewhat understandable.


Anyhoo, my thought (and apologies if this has been already posited) is that there was a lot of positive-to-sure why not attitude toward lynching Rashan yesterday. The lack of a real alternative also made them an even likelier lynch. Thus, scum may have felt little pressure to contribute by jumping on the train, as the lynch seemed likely regardless. My suspicion then is that at least one, if not both, killers would have stayed off the train, and that's a manageable number of players to look at. I'm confident at least one of Ampelas, Denul, Jalan or Merrid will turn out scum. I'll be having a look at them tomorrow.

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 02:35 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 15 minutes since time out

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Osseric, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Rashan ( Barghast, Kilava, Cast, Osseric, Thyrllan, Nimander Golit, Silchas Ruin )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Galain )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Rashan )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Denul, Jalan, Merrid


Rashan has been lynched. He was ItWasNom and a Roleless Innocent.

Woah there with the underlined. D1 and scum are both off the slow train? Like hell they are. D1 random is worst time for scum, they'd be sure as hell on any train not them. One or both ON the train. So quick check of that and living now are: Kilava, Cast, Thyrllan, Silchas. Of those 4 one if not two scum (discounting symp) are guaranteed to be. I'm getting symp from this whole post of yours. Both masters on or one on one off. With you as symp that means 1+ of Kilava, Cast, Silchas. Putting out everyone not on the train then has one or no scum on.

Getting this one out by itself as it stood out a mile on re-reading.

[Kilava]

Kilava, on 06 April 2017 - 01:42 PM, said:

Finally @ the office, getting re-caffeinated, gonna read up on Cast, Jalan and Merrid.

Kilava, on 06 April 2017 - 01:46 PM, said:

Jalan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 04 April 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 04 April 2017 - 10:55 AM, said:

Care to explain the connections? Because most of what I see in that nested quote is dragonsex banter.

Scum team getting early interactions on thread through dragonsex banter.

Kilava's response that you quoted was already replied to by Rashan. Then Thyr, Bargy, Rashan, myself all have quotes/posts since which are ignored by you but reply to that one post and disappear.

I more like the Rashan/Kilava connection but you are involved in it, and was also quoted by Osseric. Not sure who is signalling who here, but there's something there.

Do you think scum get involved in dragonsex banter? I'd have thought D1 avoid anything that could draw the random lynch

I personally disagree with this, but what's interesting is that Jalan himself fits how he describes a scum would play Day1

Kilava, on 06 April 2017 - 02:07 PM, said:

Jalan, on 05 April 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

Merrid, on 05 April 2017 - 08:54 AM, said:

Jalan, on 05 April 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

Sorry I missed EoD yesterday, totally knackered out, dinner out and went to bed straight after. Should be around a little this PM.

Slow clap for the premature Vig.

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 02:39 AM, said:

Nimander Golit has been killed. He was Siergiej and a Roleless Innocent.
Barghast has been killed. He was Vengeance the Dr. Whitby Lodge.

Silchas Ruin, on 05 April 2017 - 02:43 AM, said:

On day fucking one Vig? Really?

Someone just put a cross in their list that is really helpful to us.

I don't think Siergiej had made any lists therefore you must be talking about Venge. Now how would you know that the Vig kill was on Venge unless you were scum?

Vote Silchas Ruin

Feeling tired. Mind explaining the logic here?

A few people want Venge dead for old games. Silchas is saying that rather than vigging him for a game reason he was vigged because someone wanted revenge and that this was to the detriment of town (as Venge was the Healer and all.)

Now this only works if you know for sure that it was Venge who was vigged. Both CFs say "has been killed." There is no indication of which was scum and which was Vig. For Silchas to be sure that Venge was killed by the Vig then he must *know* which alt was killed by scum ergo he is a killer. I'm discounting him being the Vig because you'd have to be pretty special to Vig Venge and then say it was someone else getting even for a past game and a bad move.

Okay, on my second read of this, I don't like this. It's tenuous, and wifomic. If I was a vig that vigged him, damn right I'd be one of the first few to complain about the vig wasting their load.

This now feels like a distraction case to me.

Kilava, on 06 April 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

Jalan, on 06 April 2017 - 01:21 PM, said:

So Kilava and Merrid agree that Silchas could be a slip. Thyrllan and Osseric don't.

Thyrllan immediately feels the need to keep looking elsewhere, if SR is scum then I bet they're symp:

Osseric, on 05 April 2017 - 07:33 PM, said:

So to compound my feeling that Merrid isn't pulling their weight as town, they go and put a vote down on an existing train at the slightest sign of pressure. I had a look back at his posts early in the day and there's a lot of quoting, but not a lot of analysis...getting an "I must try to appear to be doing something, even though I have nothing really to say" kind of vibe. I'm happy with where my vote is for now. What do other people think?

Galain, on 05 April 2017 - 09:00 PM, said:

The Silchas Ruin case is something I need to go read over his post again to pull the wording of it apart to see if its relevant or just something Jalan and Merrid have jumped on as it looks like an easy sell

Uhh.. I didn't jump on because it was an easy sell, I "jumped on" my own case because I made the point and voted.


Amp/Kilava back & forth could be distancing - neither has tried seriously to get the other lynched so they could be preparing the way for later


Silchas makes a reasonable rebuttal in defence of his slip.

Merrid, on 06 April 2017 - 01:50 AM, said:

Since a lot of people are taking issue with my Silchas vote I went back and took a look at this.

In the light of the morning, I can say I missed something.

Jalan is both right and wrong.

Silchas should not know Venge was a vig kill unless he is scum.

But how did the Vig know who was Venge?

Hole in the logic.

Remove Vote

What? You don't alt-guess? I'm seriously crap at it but can generally spot a few players. Now I don't play the meta-game at all because I suck at it but others do.

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 02:05 AM, said:

Explica por favor. I know what I am, so I know there are people dancing around it with possible scum, possible well intentioned town. I never knew vig attempt person, never cared, 3 town down in one night is what I cared about and knew one of those was a shit Vig shot.

Also, you should take shit for that vote. It was easy and stupid. Scum isn't stupid (generally.) Big generally.

You need to logically connect these in an A, B, C scenario with actual game names and not intersperse them. That confuses things. Or at least confuses me. And when someone tries to confuse me I get suspicious.

I'm liking SR more after this post.

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 09:34 AM, said:

Jalan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

Do you think scum get involved in dragonsex banter? I'd have thought D1 avoid anything that could draw the random lynch

Nice way to rule yourself out there. Though I also notice that your banter amounted to a couple of half-hearted posts.

One of which was prompted by Merrid saying I looked like their neighbours dog. I responded and they dropped it. I'd noted it as random but trying to draw me into the dragon sex, getting everyone involved is pro-town.


So, after that skim, I'm not sold on SR anymore. I've generally avoided digging into the Kilava/Ampelas drivel but until it is late game I'm not going to try and figure out that shit. I'm going to switch vote to Merrid as I'm not liking their interactions much at the moment. I'll try and check in before timeout on my phone for any switching but don't count on it.


Remove Vote

Vote Merrid

This seems more wishy-washy then Merrid's remove post, tbh. Galain, I'd like to get your opinion on this.

Here's a compilation of my posts re: Jalan for your perusal (part 1). my willingness to switch certainly isn't out of the blue.

[Kilava]

Part 2:

Kilava, on 06 April 2017 - 02:24 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

I'm just waiting for Kilava to finish before voting.

My general manager impression that merrid is the least suspicious of the 3 I looked at. I have most questions about cast, and Jalan + merrid are interchangeable for no 2, with Jalan edging out by the virtue of Merrid trying to participate.

The other person I might want to analyze is you, actually, ass I'm not sure where you stand.

Kilava, on 06 April 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

That's helpful Kilava. Any more to add?

Can't tell if serious. My top 2 are cast (for saying he felt Barg was inno, then labelling his as symp to justify Rashan vote, all over an hour + the day 2 driveby (as noted by Amp) & Jalan- for generally posting ony when addressed + a sketchy Day 2 case/remove.

Thyr is one I have no read on and need a re-read, but as it stands, those are my top 2. It can be said that Merrid did some deflecting off them, but that's niether here nor there.

Kilava, on 06 April 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

I'm curious of your opinion on Jalan's post 281.

On the same page, post 289, I looked @ Cast's. Day 1 posts. Does my analysis make sense?

Currently those are my 2 suspects, not sure what to make of SR's sudden panic vote on me yet.

[Kilava]

Jalan, on 07 April 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 12:09 AM, said:

Okay, so I am sceptical about Silchas slipping. It would have to be a super dumb slip too, after all what are scum most focused on if not kills. But I also don't see the vig being a vengeance/list thing - I think most likely they just wanted to pop one off before being knocked off themselves...premature yes, but stil somewhat understandable.


Anyhoo, my thought (and apologies if this has been already posited) is that there was a lot of positive-to-sure why not attitude toward lynching Rashan yesterday. The lack of a real alternative also made them an even likelier lynch. Thus, scum may have felt little pressure to contribute by jumping on the train, as the lynch seemed likely regardless. My suspicion then is that at least one, if not both, killers would have stayed off the train, and that's a manageable number of players to look at. I'm confident at least one of Ampelas, Denul, Jalan or Merrid will turn out scum. I'll be having a look at them tomorrow.

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 02:35 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 15 minutes since time out

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Osseric, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Rashan ( Barghast, Kilava, Cast, Osseric, Thyrllan, Nimander Golit, Silchas Ruin )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Galain )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Rashan )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Denul, Jalan, Merrid


Rashan has been lynched. He was ItWasNom and a Roleless Innocent.

Woah there with the underlined. D1 and scum are both off the slow train? Like hell they are. D1 random is worst time for scum, they'd be sure as hell on any train not them. One or both ON the train. So quick check of that and living now are: Kilava, Cast, Thyrllan, Silchas. Of those 4 one if not two scum (discounting symp) are guaranteed to be. I'm getting symp from this whole post of yours. Both masters on or one on one off. With you as symp that means 1+ of Kilava, Cast, Silchas. Putting out everyone not on the train then has one or no scum on.

Getting this one out by itself as it stood out a mile on re-reading.

You're skipping Amp again. Sigh, this is why I said PS should edit the bloody lynch post.

[Jalan]

Kilava, on 07 April 2017 - 05:41 PM, said:

You're skipping Amp again. Sigh, this is why I said PS should edit the bloody lynch post.

Better?

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 12:09 AM, said:

Okay, so I am sceptical about Silchas slipping. It would have to be a super dumb slip too, after all what are scum most focused on if not kills. But I also don't see the vig being a vengeance/list thing - I think most likely they just wanted to pop one off before being knocked off themselves...premature yes, but stil somewhat understandable.


Anyhoo, my thought (and apologies if this has been already posited) is that there was a lot of positive-to-sure why not attitude toward lynching Rashan yesterday. The lack of a real alternative also made them an even likelier lynch. Thus, scum may have felt little pressure to contribute by jumping on the train, as the lynch seemed likely regardless. My suspicion then is that at least one, if not both, killers would have stayed off the train, and that's a manageable number of players to look at. I'm confident at least one of Ampelas, Denul, Jalan or Merrid will turn out scum. I'll be having a look at them tomorrow.

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 02:35 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 15 minutes since time out

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Osseric, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Rashan ( Barghast, Kilava, Cast, Osseric, Thyrllan, Nimander Golit, Silchas Ruin )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Galain )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Rashan )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Denul, Jalan, Merrid


Rashan has been lynched. He was ItWasNom and a Roleless Innocent.

Woah there with the underlined. D1 and scum are both off the slow train? Like hell they are. D1 random is worst time for scum, they'd be sure as hell on any train not them. One or both ON the train. So quick check of that and living now are: Kilava, Cast, Thyrllan, Ampelas Silchas. Of those 4 one if not two scum (discounting symp) are guaranteed to be. I'm getting symp from this whole post of yours. Both masters on or one on one off. With you as symp that means 1+ of Kilava, Cast, Silchas. Putting out everyone not on the train then has one or no scum on.

Getting this one out by itself as it stood out a mile on re-reading.

[Jalan]

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 09:18 AM, said:

Osseric, on 03 April 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

[sarcasm]
Yeah, I'm symp-y McSymperson, and by chance all of my three masters have dark coloured avatars so I just thought I'd point that out on thread!
[/sarcasm]

This would be the greatest overt signal of all time Not only calling yourself a symp, but also using tags which aren't really tags (i.e. not really sarcasm). Of course, you ruined it all by naming people who are now mostly dead. Boo.

Or, you know, symping Ampelas. Although that's a whole different direction to what I'm looking at at the moment.

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

Osseric makes a bit of a song and dance about voting at the end of day 1, asking for other people's opinions, asking questions they know the answer to (vote count), but eventually laying down the same vote as everyone else. Barghast dying also vindicates them regarding their doubt about that train also. What they say regarding the Barghast/Rashan cases were certainly valid doubts, I don't really have a problem with that. It's more how it's spread over a series of posts as if to highlight how they struggle with an eventual Rashan vote.

How does this feel now Osseric is dead, Thyr?

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 12:46 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 12:09 AM, said:

Okay, so I am sceptical about Silchas slipping. It would have to be a super dumb slip too, after all what are scum most focused on if not kills. But I also don't see the vig being a vengeance/list thing - I think most likely they just wanted to pop one off before being knocked off themselves...premature yes, but stil somewhat understandable.


Anyhoo, my thought (and apologies if this has been already posited) is that there was a lot of positive-to-sure why not attitude toward lynching Rashan yesterday. The lack of a real alternative also made them an even likelier lynch. Thus, scum may have felt little pressure to contribute by jumping on the train, as the lynch seemed likely regardless. My suspicion then is that at least one, if not both, killers would have stayed off the train, and that's a manageable number of players to look at. I'm confident at least one of Ampelas, Denul, Jalan or Merrid will turn out scum. I'll be having a look at them tomorrow.

Underlined: No. It's not understandable. If you consider balance, the Vig is there to take their best shot a scum towards mid or end-game. Just using it "because you can" is completely selfish behaviour that does nothing for town other than reduce its chances when it's fired off like this.

That said, it's over and done with. Player fucked up and now it's time to get real. We've lost our healer and vig.

I don't like this post by you. You are setting up numerous low target options for the day (other than Amp which pings a non-member of the group), rather than actually looking at play styles and interactions.

As of right now, I'd put my vote on you as scum because you know I'm innocent and defending me will make you look better.

Whatever floats your boat. My guess is still that the vig just had a strong day 1 vibe and went with it. To be frank, vigs only rarely come up trumps, whether they blow their load on day 1 or day 5. It's not something to rely on and therefore it's not something to get massively worked up about either.

You say I'm setting up low target options and yet the only low target in the players I named is Denul, so that doesn't really work. I'm also prepared to ignore Denul for now from that list because they're such a non-entity. Neither am I defending you - I'm pointing out the flaw in the reasoning that's been given. There may very well be, however, better reasons for voting for you

As it is, I think I'd be happy with either a Jalan or Merrid vote. The latter always seems to perk up when their name is mentioned, the former has coasted throughout the game so far. Both have given pretty similar reasons for being absent from the day 1 vote, which makes me think they don't work as partners. So need to decide which is more town. In that sense, there's more to work with from Merrid, who has attempted some analysis of others' play. Jalan just has the Silchas thing and has disappeared ever since.

Putting the SR firmly down as dumb. Again side swipe at me in passing. If symp then SR is possibly a master given the firm defence of SRs slip.

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

I'm just waiting for Kilava to finish before voting.

I'm waiting for you to give me a proper justification to jump on whilst still seeming like a good town?

Thyrllan, on 07 April 2017 - 10:34 AM, said:

Here now, going to have a look through. As I said yesterday, I felt good about either a Merrid or a Jalan vote at that time. In fact by the end, based on Merrid's responses, I was quite confident that Merrid would come up scum. So the scumdar's taken a bit of a blow on that one. Still, I think there's a fair bit to say about Jalan. I'm gonna take a look through.

A fair bit in my few posts? So I must have provided a reasonable amount of content then Thyr? You know, like we should all do?

Thyrllan, on 07 April 2017 - 10:51 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 06 April 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

WCS today is d day. If symp is alive and we lynch wrong then it is 3 vs 3.

Denul won't be voted for.
Galain is on my town read.

Maybe I am guilty of over posting, but I am going to present a challenge.

Cast my vote goes on to you today unless you come up with a compelling case on who you think is scum. Day one you got away with hiding for the most part and same day two. You voted on both days but your day one vote had holes, in that you thought Barghast was town but voted Rashan off the back of him (Barghast) being scum. Day two quick drive by. It's not good enough.

Yeah, I won't be voting for Denul today. If they turn out to have been scum, then that's too bad. But by this point you have to put the silence down to RL issues, and the likelihood is they're getting modkilled anyway.

As for Galain, I agree with you, they're the one other player alongside myself I consider strongly to be town at the moment (watch that statement spectacularly blow up in my face).

I'm not sure about the Cast 'challenge' That's got a real blinkered feel to it, and apparently makes you the judge of what is a valuable contribution (though I do not disagree that Cast has been peripheral). But it is a nice way for you to ultimately lay down an easy vote with the excuse of, 'well, look, I tried to get him to play, he didn't, and I said I would do this.' But at the moment I still consider you lower down on the scum suspicion-o-meter. If scum, you've played a pretty ballsy game.

I'll agree on Galain, I figure they were Vig. Fits Galains MO and choice of target. Others, what do you think? Also explains the silence after getting ridiculed for blowing N1.

Side note of Cast here, this might be the first time in game?

Thyrllan, on 07 April 2017 - 10:57 AM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 04:15 PM, said:

Cast, on 06 April 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

I'm sorry. But the fact that fucking DRAGONSEX is the starter on most of these cases is fucking ridiculous. Yes it can provide connections between symp and master, but for fucks sake you dumb fucks it's day one role play. It's supposed to be fucking stupid. Look how well this shit has panned out for town so far trying to use it.

God damn I suck at building cases, but I wouldn't start with fucking dragon sex bullshit antics.

I'm going where I let yesterday on actual posting style and gameplay yesterday. If I'm wrong at least it isn't from fucking dragonsex.

Vote Thyrllan

Also, Ampetatts make a case please.

Calm down. I'm not making a case TODAY based on dragonsex. I made a case day 1 on it when there really wasn't more information to go on. Yes, it's supposed to be stupid day one rp, but that's why one can safely signal with it. And we HAVE seen players do so in multiple games recently.

Noted. Problem being our MAFIA almost always consist on carry over cases from day to day.

Also, I'm calm. Just kind of frustrated. Partially my own problem as I couldn't be around to help early, partially at this game for so many low posters, and partially at Malazan Mafia which doesn't seem to be doing all that well. Scum win nearly all the time because we've lost the ability to make compelling cases.

I don't disagree with your statement. But, where's your compelling case then? I'll also note that technically you haven't been on either lynch train.

"Master, please make a case I can vote on and also get your ass in gear and at least *try* and lynch some town"?

Thyrllan, on 07 April 2017 - 11:01 AM, said:

Cast, on 06 April 2017 - 04:22 PM, said:

Some facts for consideration.

Day 1 lynch: Rashan - Barghast, Kilava, Cast, Ampelas, Osseric, Thyrllan, Nimander, Silchas (in for a "hammer" after a miscounted vote by PS)

Day 2 lynch: Merrid - Osseric, Galain, Ampelas, Jalan, Cast, Kilava

Note there are three remaining players that were on both innocent trains - myself, Kilava, Ampelas. I think we should narrow our vote today to one of the three of us. For me, since I know I'm not scum, that narrows it to Kilava or Ampelas.

Second thought- Why are you so jumpy Ampelas? Over the two days in game so far you've voted for 6 different players, with two (three for me since I know my innocence) revealing innocent. This looks to me like you're spreading wifom and that you don't actually cadre adhere your vote lands. I also find it interesting that you've placed your second vote each day on Kilava. Getting in some early distancing while it's safe to leave a vote there for awhile?

Amp's votes day 1 - Osseric, Kilava, Rasan.

Amp's votes day 2 - Silchas, Kilava, Cast, Merrid.

Interesting that you put yourself in a small group of people to look at. Runs the risk of people singling you out, perhaps not something scum would do. On the other hand, it's also interesting that you don't stop at saying that one of Kilava or Ampelas could be a killer, but rather posit that they could be partners (which seems unlikely to me). So basically saying that, whichever one of those two we choose, we'll hit a killer, leaving yourself the one townie in the group.

Symping hard here

Thyrllan, on 07 April 2017 - 11:14 AM, said:

Cast, on 06 April 2017 - 08:31 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

Cast, on 06 April 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

I'm also willing to lay a vote now because I really do believe they are either paired killers or killer/symp. I prefer an Amp vote, but I don't think it will gain the needed votes. I will back a Kilava vote.

Vote Kilava

Remove Vote

I'm an idiot. Who would agree with me?

Who said you're an idiot? You have said you're only willing to place a vote on Kilava today. She is one of two players that I have made damn clear that I believe to be scum. I'm willing to place my vote there as we need all 4 remaining town to agree on a lynch as I believe there is a real chance that Amp is the symp.

Hell, watch how fast Amp and whomever their third is pile on after one of you vote me.

This is an intriguing reaction to Silchas' vote removal. It almost reads a little panicky, like you were really hoping there would be a quick pile on on to Kilava and now Silchas has stalled that.

Distancing SR from Cast.

[Path-Shaper]

Kilava, on 07 April 2017 - 05:41 PM, said:

Sigh, this is why I said PS should edit the bloody lynch post.

I'm gonna do it in a few minutes.

- the gloomy pimp

[Jalan]

Thyrllan, on 07 April 2017 - 11:18 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 07 April 2017 - 11:04 AM, said:

Cast I think I always see as scummy even when they aren't so I admit there may be a cloud over this player but I am sticking in likely town after my rereads.

Can you expand on what in your reread made you think this? Because currently I am thinking Jalan and Cast as partners.

Getting someone else to defend Cast for them.

And I'm up as far as his case on me.

MY over-riding impression of Thyr is symp. From the Cast avoidance then sly defence of and the dismissing of the SR slip I think Cast and SR are the masters.

Others have noted Cast and I'm willing to change to a Cast vote at the moment.

I'm going to get another coffee and maybe some dinner soon, will see how much of the case on me I can get through.

[Galain]

Doing tax return.

Would most likely vote thyr right now gun to my head.

But won't be voting until I've finished reading the thread again

[Jalan]

Thyrllan, on 07 April 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

Alright, Jalan:


I've mentioned this before, but it's worth reiterating. Jalan talks about how scum *would* act, and frames it in a way which handily takes them out of the reckoning, as they had already engaged in this a bit when they first checked in and also talking with Merrid. I know that Kilava and I differ on our interpretation on this (but oddly come to similar conclusions). In a way, that says a lot about Jalan - hard to pin down, where do they stand, what is their opinion/belief? All of their play so far has been a mix of coasting and coolly sitting on the fence.

I tend to think of people playing scum as acting rationally and coherently (unless Venge is scum and we've all seen him CF) as they sort of want to live to endgame? I know it's silly of me.

Thyrllan, on 07 April 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

Now for Jalan's main contribution this game - the 'case' and vote on Silchas Ruin. Silchas seems to have their back up at me calling this out for what it is, but I'm clearly not the only one who thinks so. This was a cheap, easy, and ultimately illogical way to decide upon a vote. The one question mark I'd have about calling this scummy (well, two, the other being that Silchas could actually be scum, but it's not this post that demonstrates it), is that it comes early on on day 2, looking to lead the thread quite early in the game (though it doesn't come off). Whether scum would do that is ultimately subjective, however. Rather than looking at this post in isolation, though, put it together with the rest of Jalan's play.

Completely sidesteps the SR slip that you'd have expected him to comment on more given that he's looking at me. Unless you're looking for it do you even notice it's not there? "Lets look at the rest of Jalans play..." ...because I know SR actually did slip up.

Thyrllan, on 07 April 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

I've snipped a lot of the post below because it had a lot of quotes in it. So I've just got the parts I want to highlight here. First, notice that Jalan makes the Amp/Kilava combo mention, just gently puts it out there. This has now been suggested by Cast also, more forcefully. Personally, I just don't see it, and I find it interesting that they've both been pushing it. Second, the switch to Merrid carries little explanation about 1) why they're no longer sold on their own Silchas case, other than 'reasonable rebuttal' and 2) what exactly it is about Merrid's interactions that makes the switch worth it. Could Jalan have jumped on because it was a more likely lynch? Having said that, I do have to admit that by the end of the day I was pretty convinced of Merrid's guilt myself - but the switch here still strikes me as odd.

Underlined: "They're both saying the same thing so by coming down on Jalan I can have his CF back up Cast"
Blue: As I said before, if enough people don't believe it to be a slip then I'm probably wrong. Although you're one of theones saying it was wrong...
Red: There was a bit of that too, but when thread is heading one way and my own direction has been cut off I can either go with the flow or try and stall it. Why would I try and stall a lynch?

Thyrllan, on 07 April 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

Two things: Testament to Jalan's lack of real contribution, and second, guess who stepped up to do it: Cast.

Jalan, on 06 April 2017 - 04:13 PM, said:

Oh great, this means I'm going to have to follow through looking at Amp/Kilv doesn't it. Sigh. Give me a day unless anyone else fancies it.

Is Denul playing at all?

Jalan then does make a semi-analysis of Kilava, who they say they'll be happy to vote for. Laying on the pressure together with Cast.

And also Silchas, although I've only said I would, not actually piled on like they have.

Thyrllan, on 07 April 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

We've also seen a bit more activity from Jalan today - endgame excitement, is it? Jalan has around 20 posts, of which maybe 6-8 tell us something about Jalan's thoughts which are not to do with RL or fooling around. Their one independent contribution is cheap reasoning. They have the Amp/Kilava link like Cast. I'll be very interested to see how Jalan responds to this.

Vote Jalfrezi

We've also seen a lot more activity from you. Pot, kettle? Again dismissing the SR slip. And you know what, D-Day is when all of town should be stepping up their damned play. Anyone not is seriously crippling to us, if this is endgame do you want to leave people around you're not absolutely sure on?


I think that's me up to date. From all that

Vote Cast

[Kilava]

Yeah, as I've said earlier, I'm not sure on Thyr yet. So I'm not super-keen on following the Jalan vote, when Cast is doing things that seem more suspicious to me.

The time out is at 1030 EST, and i'll be going to the pool about 2 hours before then. So my final vote will have to be in place in the next 6 hours or so. Till then I'll probably be around-ish

[Kilava]

hmm, interesting.

Jalan, what do you make of SR's anti-me paranoia this day?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 8 hours and 9 minutes remaining

7 Players still alive: Ampelas, Cast, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Kilava ( Cast, Silchas Ruin )
2 Votes for Jalan ( Thyrllan, Ampelas )
2 Votes for Cast ( Kilava, Jalan )

Players not voted: Galain

[Jalan]

Kilava, on 07 April 2017 - 06:20 PM, said:

hmm, interesting.

Jalan, what do you make of SR's anti-me paranoia this day?

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

The fact that Kilava thinks that Thyr is worth looking at makes me more wary of Kilava.

I always find "Kilava" guilty when in fact he is town. When the opposite is true I'm blind to it.

Hrrrm.

Remove vote

Meta. I don't really do meta but I know what she's on about. You have that effect on some people.

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

Kilava and Cast from vote spreads are at least scum and symp mix.

Remove Vote

Vote Kilava

Well I think Cast is scum so half right but if SR is only going off of two lynch trains that's not enough basis that early in the day.

Worth noting I think here is that most of the realy Day posts were Cast yet it is Kilava that is voted for.

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 07:07 PM, said:

If it's D-Day I watch and wait for players to try to take over the thread. You two have. Thus the vote and accusation.

Make fun, laugh, shrug it off: I ain't care. It's sticking.

SR has a good point with this at this point in Day. However most others have stepped up and there doesn't look to have been anyone else around. That being said it was my thought reading that too.

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 07:18 PM, said:

Keep it up. Barring a believable reveal, which no longer exist in this game, my vote sticks.

Scum has rolled so many last few games by simply outlasting town and if not overwhelming them with posts on D-Day. I'll at least vote for what I think this game. If I'm wrong I don't give a fuck. I've at least put a vote in place.

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

Cast, on 06 April 2017 - 07:33 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 07:07 PM, said:

If it's D-Day I watch and wait for players to try to take over the thread. You two have. Thus the vote and accusation.

Make fun, laugh, shrug it off: I ain't care. It's sticking.

That's the thing, I'm asking for a case. I'm not just trying to shrug or laugh it off. FFS use your logic man. The only thing that links her and I is me ignoring a case she tried to lay day 1 on me for low-posting that I ignored.

Look at the Kilava/Amp combo though. Please. Just give it honest thought and consideration.

I ain't got nothing on lock other than Kilava. I'll consider everything else, including your pleas.

The only thing I care about right now is what I'm voting.

But not enough to look at other people. Tunnel-visioned. If paired then this is a planned post.

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

Cast, on 06 April 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

I'm also willing to lay a vote now because I really do believe they are either paired killers or killer/symp. I prefer an Amp vote, but I don't think it will gain the needed votes. I will back a Kilava vote.

Vote Kilava

Remove Vote

I'm an idiot. Who would agree with me?

And distancing from Cast. This actually ties in neatly to what I thought of Thyr as symp so far.

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 10:22 PM, said:

Vote Kilava

I removed to let you hang yourself. You are desperately posting to end game to strangle the thread.

Well played. Don't know your partner yet, but we'll get it

I thought she removed because Cast the idiot was agreeing with her?


I was quite happy to vote you Kilava, for reasons given before. That stance stands but I think Cast a better bet. I can see where SR is coming from but they're not backing it up at all. They're so set on you or Cast they should put something together on D-Day of all days. Their single-mindedness on you is actually making you less suspicious in my books.

[Jalan]

Now I'm going to head off now, I'll probably check in again a time or two in the next 2-3 hours but I'm happy where my vote is now.

[Cast]

Hey Silchas, you're about the only one in here I most trust at the moment.

What do you think of the case on Jalan? I'm still convinced that Kilava is scum, but do you think of a Jalan/Kilava connection?

[Cast]

Also, Ment is playing, and Venge turns up dead N1. Ment has not claimed Vig. Why in the hell have we not lynched him yet? I'm pretty sure that's in the 101.

[Ampelas]

What do you make of Galain then Cast? Just curious as to that question you just asked Silchas.