[Thyrllan]

Sorry, had to go away (turns out I have a job which expects work???), but back again now and gonna write up the Jalan case.

[Thyrllan]

Alright, Jalan:


I've mentioned this before, but it's worth reiterating. Jalan talks about how scum *would* act, and frames it in a way which handily takes them out of the reckoning, as they had already engaged in this a bit when they first checked in and also talking with Merrid. I know that Kilava and I differ on our interpretation on this (but oddly come to similar conclusions). In a way, that says a lot about Jalan - hard to pin down, where do they stand, what is their opinion/belief? All of their play so far has been a mix of coasting and coolly sitting on the fence.

Jalan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 04 April 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 04 April 2017 - 10:55 AM, said:

Care to explain the connections? Because most of what I see in that nested quote is dragonsex banter.

Scum team getting early interactions on thread through dragonsex banter.

Kilava's response that you quoted was already replied to by Rashan. Then Thyr, Bargy, Rashan, myself all have quotes/posts since which are ignored by you but reply to that one post and disappear.

I more like the Rashan/Kilava connection but you are involved in it, and was also quoted by Osseric. Not sure who is signalling who here, but there's something there.

Do you think scum get involved in dragonsex banter? I'd have thought D1 avoid anything that could draw the random lynch

Example of a typical post by Jalan below - looks like they're contributing something but actually only pointing out things already known.

Jalan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:56 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

The Osseric post naming three alts caught my eye too. Would be ballsy though.

Also wrong since we have 3 scum *including* the symp

Now for Jalan's main contribution this game - the 'case' and vote on Silchas Ruin. Silchas seems to have their back up at me calling this out for what it is, but I'm clearly not the only one who thinks so. This was a cheap, easy, and ultimately illogical way to decide upon a vote. The one question mark I'd have about calling this scummy (well, two, the other being that Silchas could actually be scum, but it's not this post that demonstrates it), is that it comes early on on day 2, looking to lead the thread quite early in the game (though it doesn't come off). Whether scum would do that is ultimately subjective, however. Rather than looking at this post in isolation, though, put it together with the rest of Jalan's play.

Jalan, on 05 April 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

Sorry I missed EoD yesterday, totally knackered out, dinner out and went to bed straight after. Should be around a little this PM.

Slow clap for the premature Vig.

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 02:39 AM, said:

Nimander Golit has been killed. He was Siergiej and a Roleless Innocent.
Barghast has been killed. He was Vengeance the Dr. Whitby Lodge.

Silchas Ruin, on 05 April 2017 - 02:43 AM, said:

On day fucking one Vig? Really?

Someone just put a cross in their list that is really helpful to us.

I don't think Siergiej had made any lists therefore you must be talking about Venge. Now how would you know that the Vig kill was on Venge unless you were scum?

Vote Silchas Ruin

I've snipped a lot of the post below because it had a lot of quotes in it. So I've just got the parts I want to highlight here. First, notice that Jalan makes the Amp/Kilava combo mention, just gently puts it out there. This has now been suggested by Cast also, more forcefully. Personally, I just don't see it, and I find it interesting that they've both been pushing it. Second, the switch to Merrid carries little explanation about 1) why they're no longer sold on their own Silchas case, other than 'reasonable rebuttal' and 2) what exactly it is about Merrid's interactions that makes the switch worth it. Could Jalan have jumped on because it was a more likely lynch? Having said that, I do have to admit that by the end of the day I was pretty convinced of Merrid's guilt myself - but the switch here still strikes me as odd.

Jalan, on 06 April 2017 - 01:21 PM, said:

[snip]

Galain, on 05 April 2017 - 09:00 PM, said:

The Silchas Ruin case is something I need to go read over his post again to pull the wording of it apart to see if its relevant or just something Jalan and Merrid have jumped on as it looks like an easy sell

Uhh.. I didn't jump on because it was an easy sell, I "jumped on" my own case because I made the point and voted.


Amp/Kilava back & forth could be distancing - neither has tried seriously to get the other lynched so they could be preparing the way for later


Silchas makes a reasonable rebuttal in defence of his slip.

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 02:05 AM, said:

Explica por favor. I know what I am, so I know there are people dancing around it with possible scum, possible well intentioned town. I never knew vig attempt person, never cared, 3 town down in one night is what I cared about and knew one of those was a shit Vig shot.

Also, you should take shit for that vote. It was easy and stupid. Scum isn't stupid (generally.) Big generally.

You need to logically connect these in an A, B, C scenario with actual game names and not intersperse them. That confuses things. Or at least confuses me. And when someone tries to confuse me I get suspicious.

I'm liking SR more after this post.

[snip]


So, after that skim, I'm not sold on SR anymore. I've generally avoided digging into the Kilava/Ampelas drivel but until it is late game I'm not going to try and figure out that shit. I'm going to switch vote to Merrid as I'm not liking their interactions much at the moment. I'll try and check in before timeout on my phone for any switching but don't count on it.


Remove Vote

Vote Merrid

Two things: Testament to Jalan's lack of real contribution, and second, guess who stepped up to do it: Cast.

Jalan, on 06 April 2017 - 04:13 PM, said:

Oh great, this means I'm going to have to follow through looking at Amp/Kilv doesn't it. Sigh. Give me a day unless anyone else fancies it.

Is Denul playing at all?

Jalan then does make a semi-analysis of Kilava, who they say they'll be happy to vote for. Laying on the pressure together with Cast.


We've also seen a bit more activity from Jalan today - endgame excitement, is it? Jalan has around 20 posts, of which maybe 6-8 tell us something about Jalan's thoughts which are not to do with RL or fooling around. Their one independent contribution is cheap reasoning. They have the Amp/Kilava link like Cast. I'll be very interested to see how Jalan responds to this.

Vote Jalfrezi

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 11 hours and 35 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Kilava ( Cast, Silchas Ruin )
1 Vote for Cast ( Kilava )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Thyrllan

[Path-Shaper]

Denul has been mod-killed for inactivity.

[Thyrllan]

Oh fine

Vote Jalan

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 11 hours and 16 minutes remaining

7 Players still alive: Ampelas, Cast, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Jalan ( Thyrllan )
2 Votes for Kilava ( Cast, Silchas Ruin )
1 Vote for Cast ( Kilava )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Galain, Jalan

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 07 April 2017 - 03:23 PM

[Ampelas]

Heading home, I will keep an eye out on the thread

Vote Jalan

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 10 hours and 36 minutes remaining

7 Players still alive: Ampelas, Cast, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Jalan ( Thyrllan, Ampelas )
2 Votes for Kilava ( Cast, Silchas Ruin )
1 Vote for Cast ( Kilava )

Players not voted: Galain, Jalan

[Kilava]

Is there gonna be a freeze before timeout, PS?

[Jalan]

Just checking in quickly, Amp that driveby is suspicious as hell.

I'll be around properly some time in the next 3-4 hours.

[Path-Shaper]

Kilava, on 07 April 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

Is there gonna be a freeze before timeout, PS?

No, I will start the freeze at the end of Day 3.

[Kilava]

Mmkay, then I'll be around sporadically to switch to Jalan, but I'd prefer Cast still.

[Thyrllan]

Kilava, on 07 April 2017 - 04:25 PM, said:

Mmkay, then I'll be around sporadically to switch to Jalan, but I'd prefer Cast still.

I believe they're both scum, so fundamentally I'm good with either. The Jalan suspicion has been there longer, but once I started putting the case together, the links to Cast started appearing.

[Thyrllan]

Having said which, I'd prefer to have a bit more response than just 'I can switch', which just makes me nervous at this point in the game.

[Ampelas]

Ampelas, on 07 April 2017 - 11:04 AM, said:

Players that were inactive start of day one, Galain, Cast and Silchas. All three ended the day with a vote, and an opinion. The most dubious of these being Cast with his Barghast is innocent, then Barghast is scum, vote his master.

Galain has pushed his opinions onto thread and stuck with it, Cast I think I always see as scummy even when they aren't so I admit there may be a cloud over this player but I am sticking in likely town after my rereads. Silchas also gets put into the town category for me, he has not tried to control the thread and has stuck with his opinions throughout the game. Finally, Thyrllan, he is the player that I think is town who could be scum. I have read all their posts and votes and discussions and believe they are also town.

It leaves me with Denul, Jalan and Kilava. I have said a lot about Kilava throughout the game, and I can see Osseric as the symp of Kilava and Denul. Osseric voted Denul early game, like a get your ass onto thread vote. Then mentions him on day two whilst voting for Merrid and plops Jalan in with them.

I wouldn't vote off a symp case though.

I won't vote for Denul and appeal to PS that they get modkilled at the end of day as a non entity.

Now like I said yesterday, Jalan went through all of day one without a serious thought, he basically joined in the banter, d/sex but no vote and no accusation followed.

Day two they focus on the night kill or more specifically Silchas' stance on the night kill.

Quote

A few people want Venge dead for old games. Silchas is saying that rather than vigging him for a game reason he was vigged because someone wanted revenge and that this was to the detriment of town (as Venge was the Healer and all.)

Now this only works if you know for sure that it was Venge who was vigged. Both CFs say "has been killed." There is no indication of which was scum and which was Vig. For Silchas to be sure that Venge was killed by the Vig then he must *know* which alt was killed by scum ergo he is a killer. I'm discounting him being the Vig because you'd have to be pretty special to Vig Venge and then say it was someone else getting even for a past game and a bad move.

he then drops his thoughts on Silchas but later picks it back up...

Jalan, on 06 April 2017 - 01:21 PM, said:

So, after that skim, I'm not sold on SR anymore. I've generally avoided digging into the Kilava/Ampelas drivel but until it is late game I'm not going to try and figure out that shit. I'm going to switch vote to Merrid as I'm not liking their interactions much at the moment. I'll try and check in before timeout on my phone for any switching but don't count on it.

Remove Vote

Vote Merrid

Jalan, on 07 April 2017 - 09:47 AM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 10:22 PM, said:

Vote Kilava

I removed to let you hang yourself. You are desperately posting to end game to strangle the thread.

Well played. Don't know your partner yet, but we'll get it

I still think it is you. I'll have to check back and see if Kilava was one supporting your slip as scum or as not as that'll be telling.

So my main suspect today is Jalan.

I have done around four rereads this morning. So I know a lot of the above is vague re Galain, Silchas and Thyr but I don't want to focus on why I think they are town, more on why I think someone is scum. Cast is on the fence and is sitting behind Kilava, Jalan and Denul.

You miss this Jalan?

Cast you and kilava are the last places to look.

[Jalan]

Going to be a slow catchup now, less busy. Also, coffee.

Also you're just going to get this dumped at random intervals as I go through pages so tough shit.

So Thyrllan has a thing for me. Lets look into their posts a little closer.

Thyrllan, on 03 April 2017 - 04:21 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 03 April 2017 - 03:04 PM, said:

I don't think I have ever seen a dragon vagina/hole. Have you?

Yes I have. On Mrs Ampelas.

1st post, playing into the dragonsex, plays with Barghasts penis:

Thyrllan, on 03 April 2017 - 09:19 PM, said:

Anyone who wants to get rid of an orgy cult deserves to be strung up.

Thyrllan, on 03 April 2017 - 09:22 PM, said:

Barghast claims a lot of things but provides no proof of anything. Typical Barghast boasting.

Thyrllan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

The Osseric post naming three alts caught my eye too. Would be ballsy though.

Doesn't note there's three names mentioned.

Thyrllan, on 04 April 2017 - 04:32 PM, said:

Jalan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:56 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

The Osseric post naming three alts caught my eye too. Would be ballsy though.

Also wrong since we have 3 scum *including* the symp

Are you being dense on purpose? It's like Ampelas said, it might include an inno with the scum.

Gets his first dig in at me. Worth noting here is that Ampelas's post saying this is *after* my post quoted. Now if I'd come on after Amp and said that then fine. I said it before, prompting people to actually use their brain for half a second - which at this point in game hadn't been done by anyone.

Thyrllan, on 04 April 2017 - 10:54 PM, said:

Had a quick scan again, and nope, nothing further to add. Except that Rashan seems to be accepting their fate.

Vote Rashan

How often do scum do this yet you still vote for them?

Long absence followed by

Thyrllan, on 05 April 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:

Just a post to say I won't be around till late tonight. Had a quick scan and am not sold on the Silchas case - slips are extremely rare in normal games.

Now Thyr has the cheek to call me out on low posting when I signed up as a low poster Mon-Weds? And doing it himself?

[Jalan]

Ampelas, on 07 April 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

You miss this Jalan?

Cast you and kilava are the last places to look.

Yeah I did sort of miss that. Going to look at Cast and Kilava then?

[Jalan]

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 09:34 AM, said:

Jalan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

Do you think scum get involved in dragonsex banter? I'd have thought D1 avoid anything that could draw the random lynch

Nice way to rule yourself out there. Though I also notice that your banter amounted to a couple of half-hearted posts.

Again light jibe my way. Thyrs banter was little more than mine. Need to check who was dragonsexing D1 to see if mostly town or scum...

[Jalan]

Fucking hell I make notes for myself and submit. Grrr

[Mentalist]

Thyrllan, on 07 April 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

Having said which, I'd prefer to have a bit more response than just 'I can switch', which just makes me nervous at this point in the game.

I had a busy morning. lemme go find my Day 2 posts on Jalan and Cast.