[Silchas Ruin]

Merrid, on 06 April 2017 - 01:50 AM, said:

Jalan, on 05 April 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

Sorry I missed EoD yesterday, totally knackered out, dinner out and went to bed straight after. Should be around a little this PM.

Slow clap for the premature Vig.

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 02:39 AM, said:

Nimander Golit has been killed. He was Siergiej and a Roleless Innocent.
Barghast has been killed. He was Vengeance the Dr. Whitby Lodge.

Silchas Ruin, on 05 April 2017 - 02:43 AM, said:

On day fucking one Vig? Really?

Someone just put a cross in their list that is really helpful to us.

I don't think Siergiej had made any lists therefore you must be talking about Venge. Now how would you know that the Vig kill was on Venge unless you were scum?

Vote Silchas Ruin

Since a lot of people are taking issue with my Silchas vote I went back and took a look at this.

In the light of the morning, I can say I missed something.

Jalan is both right and wrong.

Silchas should not know Venge was a vig kill unless he is scum.

But how did the Vig know who was Venge?

Hole in the logic.

Remove Vote

Explica por favor. I know what I am, so I know there are people dancing around it with possible scum, possible well intentioned town. I never knew vig attempt person, never cared, 3 town down in one night is what I cared about and knew one of those was a shit Vig shot.

Also, you should take shit for that vote. It was easy and stupid. Scum isn't stupid (generally.) Big generally.

You need to logically connect these in an A, B, C scenario with actual game names and not intersperse them. That confuses things. Or at least confuses me. And when someone tries to confuse me I get suspicious.

[Merrid]

I can't quote what I want to. Too many nested quotes I think, but look up Ampelas quotes 75 and 76.

So this is Ampelas starting in on Kilava. And its very strange.

"Good understanding of the game setup? More like a basic understanding.

And the rest of it is drawing connections to Osseric's initial post and to Rashan, and given Day 1 CFs, we know these to be innocuous.

So the starting point of Ampelas on Kilava seems pretty wobbly.

[Merrid]

Ampelas, on 04 April 2017 - 09:14 PM, said:

Interesting vote count. Cannot decide where the scum are. I know I have to leave my vote on someone. Look at Kilava's post position, reaction to vote and where vote is at. Now they are voting Rashan. Distancing?One way to find out is by voting Rashan but then is it Nimander and Kilava directing vote trains.

Ampelas, on 04 April 2017 - 09:22 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 04 April 2017 - 06:36 PM, said:

So, we have two signalling accusations:Osseric at Rashan, Kilava, and me (brought up by Ampelas).Barghast at Ampelas, Rashan, and themselves (brought up by Merrid).The common denominator is Rashan, tho Ampelas pointed at him in their scenario. Early distancing?

Barghast, on 04 April 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 04 April 2017 - 06:36 PM, said:

So, we have two signalling accusations:Osseric at Rashan, Kilava, and me (brought up by Ampelas).Barghast at Ampelas, Rashan, and themselves (brought up by Merrid).The common denominator is Rashan, tho Ampelas pointed at him in their scenario. Early distancing?

I like it. Solid detective work. Rashan is obviously scum. Lets get the train started. Vote Rashan

Hmm so Nim goes from finding Rashan the common denominator but votes Barghast.

Ampelas, on 04 April 2017 - 09:25 PM, said:

Galain, on 04 April 2017 - 07:00 PM, said:

I'm awful tempted to vote Barghast.Awful tempted. Something about his whole posting just irks me.Going to see if I can quantify this a bit more coherently than 'gut'

Galain, on 04 April 2017 - 08:12 PM, said:

vote barghastthis is purely gut. with a side dish of annoying posting style

Galain, on 04 April 2017 - 08:46 PM, said:

I'm going to to read for a half hour before bed.But Barghast has tickled my buttons today

So no case. I cannnot follow this vote. Not how Nimander jumped onto it so quick when clearly showing intention elsewhere.Also says it himself about Rashan being on 2 votes. Personally right now after reading up. I want to vote Nimander.

More Ampelas on Day 1.

He was obsessed with Kilava-Rashan-Nimander-Barghast connections, but three of these CFd inno.

I think he needs to acknowledge he was wrong.

And now I don't have time to look up Kilava

[Kilava]

Merrid, on 06 April 2017 - 02:27 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 04 April 2017 - 09:14 PM, said:

Interesting vote count. Cannot decide where the scum are. I know I have to leave my vote on someone. Look at Kilava's post position, reaction to vote and where vote is at. Now they are voting Rashan. Distancing?One way to find out is by voting Rashan but then is it Nimander and Kilava directing vote trains.

Ampelas, on 04 April 2017 - 09:22 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 04 April 2017 - 06:36 PM, said:

So, we have two signalling accusations:Osseric at Rashan, Kilava, and me (brought up by Ampelas).Barghast at Ampelas, Rashan, and themselves (brought up by Merrid).The common denominator is Rashan, tho Ampelas pointed at him in their scenario. Early distancing?

Barghast, on 04 April 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 04 April 2017 - 06:36 PM, said:

So, we have two signalling accusations:Osseric at Rashan, Kilava, and me (brought up by Ampelas).Barghast at Ampelas, Rashan, and themselves (brought up by Merrid).The common denominator is Rashan, tho Ampelas pointed at him in their scenario. Early distancing?

I like it. Solid detective work. Rashan is obviously scum. Lets get the train started. Vote Rashan

Hmm so Nim goes from finding Rashan the common denominator but votes Barghast.

Ampelas, on 04 April 2017 - 09:25 PM, said:

Galain, on 04 April 2017 - 07:00 PM, said:

I'm awful tempted to vote Barghast.Awful tempted. Something about his whole posting just irks me.Going to see if I can quantify this a bit more coherently than 'gut'

Galain, on 04 April 2017 - 08:12 PM, said:

vote barghastthis is purely gut. with a side dish of annoying posting style

Galain, on 04 April 2017 - 08:46 PM, said:

I'm going to to read for a half hour before bed.But Barghast has tickled my buttons today

So no case. I cannnot follow this vote. Not how Nimander jumped onto it so quick when clearly showing intention elsewhere.Also says it himself about Rashan being on 2 votes. Personally right now after reading up. I want to vote Nimander.

More Ampelas on Day 1.

He was obsessed with Kilava-Rashan-Nimander-Barghast connections, but three of these CFd inno.

I think he needs to acknowledge he was wrong.

And now I don't have time to look up Kilava

Oh good, so I'm not crazy for thinking that. Other people can see this PoV, too.

My local pool broke down, so my swim got kaiboshed, At least I got to walk to the rec center and back, that alleviated my headache slightly.

[Kilava]

Osseric is making the most sense atm. Merrid appears to be trying.

Denul and Galain are non-entities, and Cast... I need to re-read, because I'm blanking on stuff wot he actually said.

I need to figure out if I think Ampeals is using scummy logic because he's scum, or because he's being an idiot. But that'll wait until tomorrow, because I don't want to go to bed with a headache.

[Cast]

Kilava, on 06 April 2017 - 02:44 AM, said:

Osseric is making the most sense atm. Merrid appears to be trying.

Denul and Galain are non-entities, and Cast... I need to re-read, because I'm blanking on stuff wot he actually said.

I need to figure out if I think Ampeals is using scummy logic because he's scum, or because he's being an idiot. But that'll wait until tomorrow, because I don't want to go to bed with a headache.

Yeah, anything you look for on me is going to be day 1. I've been non-existent today. Life has seriously gotten under my skin and I've been away from the internet all day.

I'm only posting something now to avoid the modkill and taking a moment to see if there is anything that looks likely enough to secure a vote to go into day 3 to help support. I should be more useful going forward after I get some sleep.

[Cast]

If I'm mathing correctly, EOD should happen around 740am for me. I have to be up about an hour and a half before that. I'll check back in the morning and see where things are standing.

[Galain]

Merrid, on 06 April 2017 - 01:50 AM, said:

Jalan, on 05 April 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

Sorry I missed EoD yesterday, totally knackered out, dinner out and went to bed straight after. Should be around a little this PM.

Slow clap for the premature Vig.

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 02:39 AM, said:

Nimander Golit has been killed. He was Siergiej and a Roleless Innocent.
Barghast has been killed. He was Vengeance the Dr. Whitby Lodge.

Silchas Ruin, on 05 April 2017 - 02:43 AM, said:

On day fucking one Vig? Really?

Someone just put a cross in their list that is really helpful to us.

I don't think Siergiej had made any lists therefore you must be talking about Venge. Now how would you know that the Vig kill was on Venge unless you were scum?

Vote Silchas Ruin

Since a lot of people are taking issue with my Silchas vote I went back and took a look at this.

In the light of the morning, I can say I missed something.

Jalan is both right and wrong.

Silchas should not know Venge was a vig kill unless he is scum.

But how did the Vig know who was Venge?

Hole in the logic.

Remove Vote

More twaddle and nonsense about the venge kill and then a backpedalling remove vote.

You have yet to convince me to remove my vote

[Ampelas]

Reading up, it looks like people are thinking I am not making sense, and reading Kilava's responses I feel like they are. So I am going to go through other players as well as try and narrow my reasoning for Kilava as a suspect.

[Ampelas]

Okay so after re-reading my reasoning, initial vote, pressure etc, I actually understand Kilava's defense. My initial vote was a prod, looking at Osseric's post with the 3 people, which I thought may have been a signal, turns out 2 of them are now gone and are innocent (which is what Kilava was saying).

Kilava addresses my concerns in a coherent and calm manner. The vote of Cast was good, yet I am not sold on the vote of Rashan.

Why the vote on Rashan? Why did they leave the thread here?

There was no comment on Cast from them, and no back and forth. Easy for them to vote and walk away.

I want answers from them two questions but I admit my single mindedness may be harmful for town.

remove vote

Now to go over other things.

[Thyrllan]

I'll be around till end of day. Gonna go over things and settle on something to vote for.

[Ampelas]

Day one Denul does not engage dragon sex, does not vote, does not accuse, does nothing.
Cast does not have signal potential, does not engage in d/sex, throws out an accusation and a vote.
Galain votes, does not engage in dragon sex, has no signal potential or accusations towards anyone his vote was gut.
Jalan engages in dragonsex, does not vote, does not accuse, has no signal potential.
Kilava engages in d/sex, votes twice, no accusations, potential signalling of Cast.
Merrid no d/sex, no votes yet two accusations and a potential signal of Jalan.
Osseric no d/sex, 3 votes, no accusations and 1 signal potential.
Silchas no d/sex, a vote, no accusations, no signals.
Thyrllan engages in d/sex, votes, no accusations, no signals.

This was during day one, I wanted to see who joined in the D/sex as Jalan made a point about killers not wanting to get involved in that. However, there are only three players other than myself, who are still alive, that did engage in d/sex. Jalan, Kilava and Thyrllan. So as I was looking for that, I thought I would see who had voted, who had accused somebody and who may have thrown out a signal.

So after that little chart I have top suspects for different reasons.

First is Cast.

He is on early page two when the d/sex is in full flow but yet does not engage. He does the old check in post, and mentions alts but that is far as he goes. Next page gets voted for by Kilava but does not address this at any point. Defends Barghast (enjoys his posting style, and mentions he does not find him scummy. Yet he then accuses Barghast of being a symp and votes for Rashan. It looks like he is finding any excuse for a vote.

Next is Merrid.

Merrid says he is suspicious of Kilava but does not vote.

Merrid, on 04 April 2017 - 04:05 PM, said:

Given the sheer mass of dragonsex, its difficult ti come to a definite conclusion, but for the moment I find Kilava the most suspicious.

He then accuses Barghast of signalling but does not vote anyone. Finally his line about Jalan looking like his neighbours dog does not sit right with me.

The honorary mention is Jalan for only engaging in d/sex but no votes and no accusations.

Reading up I am fine with the Merrid vote, but to offer an alternative I find Cast is also a good place to look.

Vote Cast

[Thyrllan]

Osseric, on 03 April 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 03 April 2017 - 03:09 PM, said:

To elaborate Osseric, naming three people in one post. Trying to look like a symp? I do not believe you.

Spoiler

somethingyournot.gif

[sarcasm]
Yeah, I'm symp-y McSymperson, and by chance all of my three masters have dark coloured avatars so I just thought I'd point that out on thread!
[/sarcasm]

This would be the greatest overt signal of all time Not only calling yourself a symp, but also using tags which aren't really tags (i.e. not really sarcasm). Of course, you ruined it all by naming people who are now mostly dead. Boo.

[Thyrllan]

Jalan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 04 April 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 04 April 2017 - 10:55 AM, said:

Care to explain the connections? Because most of what I see in that nested quote is dragonsex banter.

Scum team getting early interactions on thread through dragonsex banter.

Kilava's response that you quoted was already replied to by Rashan. Then Thyr, Bargy, Rashan, myself all have quotes/posts since which are ignored by you but reply to that one post and disappear.

I more like the Rashan/Kilava connection but you are involved in it, and was also quoted by Osseric. Not sure who is signalling who here, but there's something there.

Do you think scum get involved in dragonsex banter? I'd have thought D1 avoid anything that could draw the random lynch

Nice way to rule yourself out there. Though I also notice that your banter amounted to a couple of half-hearted posts.

[Thyrllan]

Osseric makes a bit of a song and dance about voting at the end of day 1, asking for other people's opinions, asking questions they know the answer to (vote count), but eventually laying down the same vote as everyone else. Barghast dying also vindicates them regarding their doubt about that train also. What they say regarding the Barghast/Rashan cases were certainly valid doubts, I don't really have a problem with that. It's more how it's spread over a series of posts as if to highlight how they struggle with an eventual Rashan vote.

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

FWIW, I'm not a huge fan of the Barghast or Rashan trains. Both of them have been active and trying to make connections with other players to see what happens when they do a little bantering. That's useful behaviour that I don't think makes them particularly good Day 1 lynch candidates.

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 09:53 PM, said:

OK, so by my count there's 4 votes on Rashan, 2 on Barghast and 1 on Kilava, yeah?

Is anyone else around? If so, what are your thoughts? I'm going to have to sign off for the night soon...

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 10:11 PM, said:

Hmm, not convinced by your reasoning Cast. Ampelas has been playing as close to a textbook town game as you can, really. I don't see him being part of a scum messaging ring like you're implying. Barghast and Rashan are less clear cut, but as I've said before I don't really think their banter was all that scummy.

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 10:33 PM, said:

Gah, I'm out of time. I don't like it, but at this point I think it's got to be Rashan to have a chance of a lynch.

Remove Vote

Vote Rashan

[Osseric]

Ampelas, on 06 April 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:

Day one Denul does not engage dragon sex, does not vote, does not accuse, does nothing.
Cast does not have signal potential, does not engage in d/sex, throws out an accusation and a vote.
Galain votes, does not engage in dragon sex, has no signal potential or accusations towards anyone his vote was gut.
Jalan engages in dragonsex, does not vote, does not accuse, has no signal potential.
Kilava engages in d/sex, votes twice, no accusations, potential signalling of Cast.
Merrid no d/sex, no votes yet two accusations and a potential signal of Jalan.
Osseric no d/sex, 3 votes, no accusations and 1 signal potential.
Silchas no d/sex, a vote, no accusations, no signals.
Thyrllan engages in d/sex, votes, no accusations, no signals.

This was during day one, I wanted to see who joined in the D/sex as Jalan made a point about killers not wanting to get involved in that. However, there are only three players other than myself, who are still alive, that did engage in d/sex. Jalan, Kilava and Thyrllan. So as I was looking for that, I thought I would see who had voted, who had accused somebody and who may have thrown out a signal.

So after that little chart I have top suspects for different reasons.

First is Cast.

He is on early page two when the d/sex is in full flow but yet does not engage. He does the old check in post, and mentions alts but that is far as he goes. Next page gets voted for by Kilava but does not address this at any point. Defends Barghast (enjoys his posting style, and mentions he does not find him scummy. Yet he then accuses Barghast of being a symp and votes for Rashan. It looks like he is finding any excuse for a vote.

Next is Merrid.

Merrid says he is suspicious of Kilava but does not vote.

Merrid, on 04 April 2017 - 04:05 PM, said:

Given the sheer mass of dragonsex, its difficult ti come to a definite conclusion, but for the moment I find Kilava the most suspicious.

He then accuses Barghast of signalling but does not vote anyone. Finally his line about Jalan looking like his neighbours dog does not sit right with me.

The honorary mention is Jalan for only engaging in d/sex but no votes and no accusations.

Reading up I am fine with the Merrid vote, but to offer an alternative I find Cast is also a good place to look.

Vote Cast

I'm glad Ampelas is moving away from that signalling obsession, because that was getting old fast. But this feels a bit like a symp trying to deflect away from Merrid here. Says he's OK with a Merrid vote (to try and make it seem less like an outright defence) but votes for someone else to try and get an alternative train started.

[Ampelas]

Osseric, on 06 April 2017 - 10:24 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 06 April 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:

Day one Denul does not engage dragon sex, does not vote, does not accuse, does nothing.
Cast does not have signal potential, does not engage in d/sex, throws out an accusation and a vote.
Galain votes, does not engage in dragon sex, has no signal potential or accusations towards anyone his vote was gut.
Jalan engages in dragonsex, does not vote, does not accuse, has no signal potential.
Kilava engages in d/sex, votes twice, no accusations, potential signalling of Cast.
Merrid no d/sex, no votes yet two accusations and a potential signal of Jalan.
Osseric no d/sex, 3 votes, no accusations and 1 signal potential.
Silchas no d/sex, a vote, no accusations, no signals.
Thyrllan engages in d/sex, votes, no accusations, no signals.

This was during day one, I wanted to see who joined in the D/sex as Jalan made a point about killers not wanting to get involved in that. However, there are only three players other than myself, who are still alive, that did engage in d/sex. Jalan, Kilava and Thyrllan. So as I was looking for that, I thought I would see who had voted, who had accused somebody and who may have thrown out a signal.

So after that little chart I have top suspects for different reasons.

First is Cast.

He is on early page two when the d/sex is in full flow but yet does not engage. He does the old check in post, and mentions alts but that is far as he goes. Next page gets voted for by Kilava but does not address this at any point. Defends Barghast (enjoys his posting style, and mentions he does not find him scummy. Yet he then accuses Barghast of being a symp and votes for Rashan. It looks like he is finding any excuse for a vote.

Next is Merrid.

Merrid says he is suspicious of Kilava but does not vote.

Merrid, on 04 April 2017 - 04:05 PM, said:

Given the sheer mass of dragonsex, its difficult ti come to a definite conclusion, but for the moment I find Kilava the most suspicious.

He then accuses Barghast of signalling but does not vote anyone. Finally his line about Jalan looking like his neighbours dog does not sit right with me.

The honorary mention is Jalan for only engaging in d/sex but no votes and no accusations.

Reading up I am fine with the Merrid vote, but to offer an alternative I find Cast is also a good place to look.

Vote Cast

I'm glad Ampelas is moving away from that signalling obsession, because that was getting old fast. But this feels a bit like a symp trying to deflect away from Merrid here. Says he's OK with a Merrid vote (to try and make it seem less like an outright defence) but votes for someone else to try and get an alternative train started.

I don't want day two to fizzle out without a lynch so I would vote for Merrid 100%.

[Ampelas]

How long left today?

[Osseric]

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 18 hours and 29 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Ampelas, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Osseric, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Silchas Ruin ( Jalan, Merrid )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Ampelas )
1 Vote for Ampelas ( Kilava )
1 Vote for Merrid ( Osseric )

Players not voted: Cast, Denul, Galain, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

This is the last vote count I can find. Suggests we've got about 4 hours until timeout.

[Ampelas]

Galain, on 05 April 2017 - 09:15 PM, said:

Merrid says he will go look at Kilava and Osseric later, but has totally dropped that when Jalan comes up with his SR case.
It's an easy one to tag along to *I am aware he said of the 3 low posters SR possibly bore more scrutiny* and can be easily brushed under the carpet if RI flips on CF.

Merrid was not voting anywhere on time out yesterday.

I went back to see if the was any suggestions of voting or leaning but the closest I can see is post 101:


"Given the sheer mass of dragonsex, its difficult ti come to a definite conclusion, but for the moment I find Kilava the most suspicious. "




the first half is wishy washy hedging and the second, well, why all of a sudden is Kilava not worthy of your attention today when he was on the rashan train, the SR "case" isnt that bloody good.




ima


vote Merrid


for now, shake the tree and see what falls out

I like this from Galain. I also have him very much on the town side of things at the moment so I am going to add my vote to his. In my analysis I found Merrid scummy because of the accusations but no votes.

Remove vote

Vote Merrid