[Jalan]

So Kilava and Merrid agree that Silchas could be a slip. Thyrllan and Osseric don't.

Thyrllan immediately feels the need to keep looking elsewhere, if SR is scum then I bet they're symp:

Osseric, on 05 April 2017 - 07:33 PM, said:

So to compound my feeling that Merrid isn't pulling their weight as town, they go and put a vote down on an existing train at the slightest sign of pressure. I had a look back at his posts early in the day and there's a lot of quoting, but not a lot of analysis...getting an "I must try to appear to be doing something, even though I have nothing really to say" kind of vibe. I'm happy with where my vote is for now. What do other people think?

Galain, on 05 April 2017 - 09:00 PM, said:

The Silchas Ruin case is something I need to go read over his post again to pull the wording of it apart to see if its relevant or just something Jalan and Merrid have jumped on as it looks like an easy sell

Uhh.. I didn't jump on because it was an easy sell, I "jumped on" my own case because I made the point and voted.


Amp/Kilava back & forth could be distancing - neither has tried seriously to get the other lynched so they could be preparing the way for later


Silchas makes a reasonable rebuttal in defence of his slip.

Merrid, on 06 April 2017 - 01:50 AM, said:

Since a lot of people are taking issue with my Silchas vote I went back and took a look at this.

In the light of the morning, I can say I missed something.

Jalan is both right and wrong.

Silchas should not know Venge was a vig kill unless he is scum.

But how did the Vig know who was Venge?

Hole in the logic.

Remove Vote

What? You don't alt-guess? I'm seriously crap at it but can generally spot a few players. Now I don't play the meta-game at all because I suck at it but others do.

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 02:05 AM, said:

Explica por favor. I know what I am, so I know there are people dancing around it with possible scum, possible well intentioned town. I never knew vig attempt person, never cared, 3 town down in one night is what I cared about and knew one of those was a shit Vig shot.

Also, you should take shit for that vote. It was easy and stupid. Scum isn't stupid (generally.) Big generally.

You need to logically connect these in an A, B, C scenario with actual game names and not intersperse them. That confuses things. Or at least confuses me. And when someone tries to confuse me I get suspicious.

I'm liking SR more after this post.

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 09:34 AM, said:

Jalan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

Do you think scum get involved in dragonsex banter? I'd have thought D1 avoid anything that could draw the random lynch

Nice way to rule yourself out there. Though I also notice that your banter amounted to a couple of half-hearted posts.

One of which was prompted by Merrid saying I looked like their neighbours dog. I responded and they dropped it. I'd noted it as random but trying to draw me into the dragon sex, getting everyone involved is pro-town.


So, after that skim, I'm not sold on SR anymore. I've generally avoided digging into the Kilava/Ampelas drivel but until it is late game I'm not going to try and figure out that shit. I'm going to switch vote to Merrid as I'm not liking their interactions much at the moment. I'll try and check in before timeout on my phone for any switching but don't count on it.


Remove Vote

Vote Merrid

[Jalan]

I'm sure my posts are special but I seem to get 1st on a new page far too often this game

[Kilava]

Finally @ the office, getting re-caffeinated, gonna read up on Cast, Jalan and Merrid.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 55 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Ampelas, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Osseric, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Merrid ( Osseric, Galain, Ampelas, Jalan )


Players not voted: Cast, Denul, Merrid, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan, Kilava

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 06 April 2017 - 02:42 PM
Reason for edit: same - tgp

[Path-Shaper]

Mafia Manager site is down for me, so apologies if the timer is off by a bit - though I think I mathed it correctly!

[Kilava]

Jalan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 04 April 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 04 April 2017 - 10:55 AM, said:

Care to explain the connections? Because most of what I see in that nested quote is dragonsex banter.

Scum team getting early interactions on thread through dragonsex banter.

Kilava's response that you quoted was already replied to by Rashan. Then Thyr, Bargy, Rashan, myself all have quotes/posts since which are ignored by you but reply to that one post and disappear.

I more like the Rashan/Kilava connection but you are involved in it, and was also quoted by Osseric. Not sure who is signalling who here, but there's something there.

Do you think scum get involved in dragonsex banter? I'd have thought D1 avoid anything that could draw the random lynch

I personally disagree with this, but what's interesting is that Jalan himself fits how he describes a scum would play Day1

[Kilava]

Merrid, on 04 April 2017 - 04:05 PM, said:

Given the sheer mass of dragonsex, its difficult ti come to a definite conclusion, but for the moment I find Kilava the most suspicious.

Very general post on Day 1, can be seen as following the crowd (of one. But Ampelas was quite vocal about it, so I guess he can be, at a stretch construed as a crowd).

[Kilava]

Merrid, on 04 April 2017 - 06:00 PM, said:

Having gone back and reread Osseric's original post about Kilava, Rashan and NG still feels wrong. A strange way to single out alts.

Barghast, on 03 April 2017 - 05:41 PM, said:

Rashan, on 03 April 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 03 April 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

I have time, it is much more valuable than money!

A dragon who I can pay in stripteases. You're hired

Barghast, on 03 April 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Rashan, on 03 April 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

My dragons ain't cheap

You go second.

Nah my girlz are all yours. First rule of pimping.

You are dim. In order for me to go you need to go before me. I go third. Women need build up before I go. So small Ampelas go first, you not as small go second, I go third.

Also since we are talking signalling, here is Barghast literally listing out three people.

More of what looks like rafting, seeing what'll stick?

[Kilava]

Cast, on 04 April 2017 - 08:38 PM, said:

I enjoy Barghast's posting style, it's adding lots of flavor and muchly appreciated girth.

Cast, on 04 April 2017 - 09:13 PM, said:

I don't think Barghast is in a particularly scummy position at the moment. He's gone out of the way to both draw distinction for himself as well as getting others actively participating in dragonsex. He's also pushing for people to think themselves while building cases, instead of piggybacking on lazy cases.

As far as day 1 goes, I feel he's actually been the one that had done town the most good.

Cast, on 04 April 2017 - 09:28 PM, said:

After another read-through of the dragonsex, this interplay between Rashan, Barghast, and Ampelas stood out to me. It reads to me like Barghast is claiming symp (third) to an Ampelas/Rashan pairing with Rashan's reply confirming message received.

Rashan, on 03 April 2017 - 05:48 PM, said:

Barghast, on 03 April 2017 - 05:41 PM, said:

Rashan, on 03 April 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 03 April 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

I have time, it is much more valuable than money!

A dragon who I can pay in stripteases. You're hired

Barghast, on 03 April 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Rashan, on 03 April 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

My dragons ain't cheap

You go second.

Nah my girlz are all yours. First rule of pimping.

You are dim. In order for me to go you need to go before me. I go third. Women need build up before I go. So small Ampelas go first, you not as small go second, I go third.

Don't worry, they usually get more local clientele than this, they'll be fine. And Ampelas was quite a slut before this too, anyway.

Also I've decided that the prices ehre will be based on the length of client's dick from now on.

Cast, on 04 April 2017 - 09:31 PM, said:

Based on my previous post I'm going to vote for whom I believe to be a master rather than a symp.

Vote Rashan

This is all of Cast's meaningful content. He comes back on thread, states twice how he does not feel Barghy is scum (and he enjoys reading him), and then does another re-read and interprets a post by Barghast as possibly symp signalling Rashan and Amp, so he puts the 3rd vote on Rashan.

I gotta wonder, how he went from liking Barghast and feeling he's inno to suspecting he is symp all on one page?

[Ampelas]

Around 40 minutes left.

2 votes needed. Only Kilava seemingly around.

[Kilava]

Cast, on 04 April 2017 - 10:15 PM, said:

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 10:11 PM, said:

Hmm, not convinced by your reasoning Cast. Ampelas has been playing as close to a textbook town game as you can, really. I don't see him being part of a scum messaging ring like you're implying. Barghast and Rashan are less clear cut, but as I've said before I don't really think their banter was all that scummy.

Ampelas has been playing exactly like he usually does. I also see a strong amount of distancing between Rashan and Ampelas towards EOD here. Let me grab quotes.

Wait, here's one more. Trying to sway Ossseric to follow the vote, but the quotes never materialize before the lynch.

[Merrid]

Very little time left.

I am going to

Vote Ampelas.

His whole pursuit of Kilava was strange, and his pivot on me seems pretty suspicious.

[Thyrllan]

I'm around, sort of. Had to take a bit of a break for some work

[Kilava]

Merrid, on 05 April 2017 - 03:26 AM, said:

Cast, on 04 April 2017 - 08:38 PM, said:

I enjoy Barghast's posting style, it's adding lots of flavor and muchly appreciated girth.

Cast, on 04 April 2017 - 09:13 PM, said:

I don't think Barghast is in a particularly scummy position at the moment. He's gone out of the way to both draw distinction for himself as well as getting others actively participating in dragonsex. He's also pushing for people to think themselves while building cases, instead of piggybacking on lazy cases. As far as day 1 goes, I feel he's actually been the one that had done town the most good.

Cast, on 04 April 2017 - 09:28 PM, said:

After another read-through of the dragonsex, this interplay between Rashan, Barghast, and Ampelas stood out to me. It reads to me like Barghast is claiming symp (third) to an Ampelas/Rashan pairing with Rashan's reply confirming message received.

Rashan, on 03 April 2017 - 05:48 PM, said:

Barghast, on 03 April 2017 - 05:41 PM, said:

Rashan, on 03 April 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 03 April 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

I have time, it is much more valuable than money!

A dragon who I can pay in stripteases. You're hired

Barghast, on 03 April 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Rashan, on 03 April 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

My dragons ain't cheap

You go second.

Nah my girlz are all yours. First rule of pimping.

You are dim. In order for me to go you need to go before me. I go third. Women need build up before I go. So small Ampelas go first, you not as small go second, I go third.

Don't worry, they usually get more local clientele than this, they'll be fine. And Ampelas was quite a slut before this too, anyway.Also I've decided that the prices ehre will be based on the length of client's dick from now on.

Cast, on 04 April 2017 - 09:31 PM, said:

Based on my previous post I'm going to vote for whom I believe to be a master rather than a symp.Vote Rashan

So here is Cast. Nothing too remarkable. His case on Rashan was not too bad by Day 1 standards.

Huh, merrid makes the same analysis first thing Day 2, but comes up with totally different conclusions. Symp?

[Thyrllan]

I'm happy to vote for Merrid in any case, fits into how I'd have expected scum to play day 1. Then on day 2 they made a half-contribution at the beginning before dropping the rest of what they were going to do to either latch on to other people's suspicions, or then consequently to focus on themselves.

[Kilava]

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 01:52 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 05 April 2017 - 09:15 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 01:52 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 27 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Osseric, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

6 Votes for Rashan ( Barghast, Kilava, Cast, Ampelas, Osseric, Thyrllan, Nimander Golit )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Galain )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Rashan )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Denul, Jalan, Merrid, Silchas Ruin

The lynch should have happened here. I was missed off by PS.

Apologies about this. I just went and reviewed votes, and Ampelas is correct, I absolutely missed his vote.

Could you plz edit the lynch post, since that's what people will probably be referring to in days to come?

[Ampelas]

I did add one later on Kilava for you to see.

[Kilava]

Jalan, on 05 April 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

Merrid, on 05 April 2017 - 08:54 AM, said:

Jalan, on 05 April 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

Sorry I missed EoD yesterday, totally knackered out, dinner out and went to bed straight after. Should be around a little this PM.

Slow clap for the premature Vig.

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 02:39 AM, said:

Nimander Golit has been killed. He was Siergiej and a Roleless Innocent.
Barghast has been killed. He was Vengeance the Dr. Whitby Lodge.

Silchas Ruin, on 05 April 2017 - 02:43 AM, said:

On day fucking one Vig? Really?

Someone just put a cross in their list that is really helpful to us.

I don't think Siergiej had made any lists therefore you must be talking about Venge. Now how would you know that the Vig kill was on Venge unless you were scum?

Vote Silchas Ruin

Feeling tired. Mind explaining the logic here?

A few people want Venge dead for old games. Silchas is saying that rather than vigging him for a game reason he was vigged because someone wanted revenge and that this was to the detriment of town (as Venge was the Healer and all.)

Now this only works if you know for sure that it was Venge who was vigged. Both CFs say "has been killed." There is no indication of which was scum and which was Vig. For Silchas to be sure that Venge was killed by the Vig then he must *know* which alt was killed by scum ergo he is a killer. I'm discounting him being the Vig because you'd have to be pretty special to Vig Venge and then say it was someone else getting even for a past game and a bad move.

Okay, on my second read of this, I don't like this. It's tenuous, and wifomic. If I was a vig that vigged him, damn right I'd be one of the first few to complain about the vig wasting their load.

This now feels like a distraction case to me.

[Kilava]

Kilava, on 05 April 2017 - 03:04 PM, said:

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 09:53 PM, said:

OK, so by my count there's 4 votes on Rashan, 2 on Barghast and 1 on Kilava, yeah?

Is anyone else around? If so, what are your thoughts? I'm going to have to sign off for the night soon...

Pointless banter doesn't draw out scum. It leads to "signalling" cases, and "slip" cases, both of which tend to be shit, so I'm not sure where you are coming from here.

Just noticed this post by me. It does not make sense. I'm pretty sure I was trying to respond to smth else.

[Ampelas]

30 minutes left