[Ampelas]

Kilava, on 06 April 2017 - 02:44 AM, said:

Osseric is making the most sense atm. Merrid appears to be trying.

Denul and Galain are non-entities, and Cast... I need to re-read, because I'm blanking on stuff wot he actually said.

I need to figure out if I think Ampeals is using scummy logic because he's scum, or because he's being an idiot. But that'll wait until tomorrow, because I don't want to go to bed with a headache.

Thanks to Galain's suspicion it looks like.

[Ampelas]

That should be 3 votes for Merrid right? Galain, Osseric and myself.

[Merrid]

What I find interesting is all the accusations and votes against me based only on a couple of quotes from my day 1 play. Ampelas is presenting a very selective picture

[Thyrllan]

Osseric, on 05 April 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

Merrid, on 05 April 2017 - 09:34 AM, said:

I did not vote as there were still 12 hours to go until time out when I was last on. I did highlight some signalling but did not feel strongly enough about a candidate to vote. Unfortunately due to health and scheduling issues I was not able to be back by timeout.

You "did not feel strongly enough about a candidate to vote", huh? So there was nobody you found scummy at all? Town find people scummy, that's their job. If you aren't doing that, you probably aren't town in my book.

I agree with this somewhat, but at the same time with 12 hours to go yesterday I don't think I had a clear idea of who I would vote for either.

[Ampelas]

Merrid, on 06 April 2017 - 11:03 AM, said:

What I find interesting is all the accusations and votes against me based only on a couple of quotes from my day 1 play. Ampelas is presenting a very selective picture

I admit I haven't read up exclusively on day two because we are still in it, my vote on you or Cast is based on your day one play.

[Thyrllan]

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 12:46 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 12:09 AM, said:

Okay, so I am sceptical about Silchas slipping. It would have to be a super dumb slip too, after all what are scum most focused on if not kills. But I also don't see the vig being a vengeance/list thing - I think most likely they just wanted to pop one off before being knocked off themselves...premature yes, but stil somewhat understandable.


Anyhoo, my thought (and apologies if this has been already posited) is that there was a lot of positive-to-sure why not attitude toward lynching Rashan yesterday. The lack of a real alternative also made them an even likelier lynch. Thus, scum may have felt little pressure to contribute by jumping on the train, as the lynch seemed likely regardless. My suspicion then is that at least one, if not both, killers would have stayed off the train, and that's a manageable number of players to look at. I'm confident at least one of Ampelas, Denul, Jalan or Merrid will turn out scum. I'll be having a look at them tomorrow.

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 02:35 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 15 minutes since time out

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Osseric, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Rashan ( Barghast, Kilava, Cast, Osseric, Thyrllan, Nimander Golit, Silchas Ruin )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Galain )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Rashan )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Denul, Jalan, Merrid


Rashan has been lynched. He was ItWasNom and a Roleless Innocent.

Underlined: No. It's not understandable. If you consider balance, the Vig is there to take their best shot a scum towards mid or end-game. Just using it "because you can" is completely selfish behaviour that does nothing for town other than reduce its chances when it's fired off like this.

That said, it's over and done with. Player fucked up and now it's time to get real. We've lost our healer and vig.

I don't like this post by you. You are setting up numerous low target options for the day (other than Amp which pings a non-member of the group), rather than actually looking at play styles and interactions.

As of right now, I'd put my vote on you as scum because you know I'm innocent and defending me will make you look better.

Whatever floats your boat. My guess is still that the vig just had a strong day 1 vibe and went with it. To be frank, vigs only rarely come up trumps, whether they blow their load on day 1 or day 5. It's not something to rely on and therefore it's not something to get massively worked up about either.

You say I'm setting up low target options and yet the only low target in the players I named is Denul, so that doesn't really work. I'm also prepared to ignore Denul for now from that list because they're such a non-entity. Neither am I defending you - I'm pointing out the flaw in the reasoning that's been given. There may very well be, however, better reasons for voting for you

As it is, I think I'd be happy with either a Jalan or Merrid vote. The latter always seems to perk up when their name is mentioned, the former has coasted throughout the game so far. Both have given pretty similar reasons for being absent from the day 1 vote, which makes me think they don't work as partners. So need to decide which is more town. In that sense, there's more to work with from Merrid, who has attempted some analysis of others' play. Jalan just has the Silchas thing and has disappeared ever since.

[Kilava]

Catching up.

[Kilava]

Ampelas, on 06 April 2017 - 08:20 AM, said:

Okay so after re-reading my reasoning, initial vote, pressure etc, I actually understand Kilava's defense. My initial vote was a prod, looking at Osseric's post with the 3 people, which I thought may have been a signal, turns out 2 of them are now gone and are innocent (which is what Kilava was saying).

Kilava addresses my concerns in a coherent and calm manner. The vote of Cast was good, yet I am not sold on the vote of Rashan.

Why the vote on Rashan? Why did they leave the thread here?

There was no comment on Cast from them, and no back and forth. Easy for them to vote and walk away.

I want answers from them two questions but I admit my single mindedness may be harmful for town.

remove vote

Now to go over other things.

1). The vote on Rashan was for the reason given in the post with the vote- he was dismissing my concern about your accusation as a "Day 1 case". Basically saying " it's day 1, so anyone can throw out any bullshit reasoning and vote". I can understand the sentiment when it comes to joke votes, but you're vote appeared genuine, I questioned the logic behind it, and I got told "you shouldn't because it's Day 1". I felt it wasn't constructive and warranted a vote.

As to why that was my last post on Tuesday- RL happened, I was busy Tuesday evening.

remove vote

Since you seem to have taken your blinkers off.

Not sure about the Merrid train, lemme go check out how much time is left

[Ampelas]

If we had the numbers and more time my vote would still be on Cast, but as Osseric pointed out, we have little time and not many voters.

[Kilava]

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 18 hours and 29 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Ampelas, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Osseric, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Silchas Ruin ( Jalan, Merrid )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Ampelas )
1 Vote for Ampelas ( Kilava )
1 Vote for Merrid ( Osseric )

Players not voted: Cast, Denul, Galain, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

Ok, looks like timeout is 10 40ish my time, in about 3 hours. I'll review the case when I get to work.

[Merrid]

Ampelas, on 06 April 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

Merrid, on 06 April 2017 - 11:03 AM, said:

What I find interesting is all the accusations and votes against me based only on a couple of quotes from my day 1 play. Ampelas is presenting a very selective picture

I admit I haven't read up exclusively on day two because we are still in it, my vote on you or Cast is based on your day one play.

This has to be the stupidest excuse ever. You are not going to look at Day 2 play but only focus on my tiny day 1 contributions? Talk about being blinkered.

To me this looks like something entirely different. You were pushing on Kilava for a lynch, I posted and showed how silly your argument was and then you started pushing me for a lynch. Its stupid and irritating.

[Merrid]

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 12:46 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 12:09 AM, said:

Okay, so I am sceptical about Silchas slipping. It would have to be a super dumb slip too, after all what are scum most focused on if not kills. But I also don't see the vig being a vengeance/list thing - I think most likely they just wanted to pop one off before being knocked off themselves...premature yes, but stil somewhat understandable.


Anyhoo, my thought (and apologies if this has been already posited) is that there was a lot of positive-to-sure why not attitude toward lynching Rashan yesterday. The lack of a real alternative also made them an even likelier lynch. Thus, scum may have felt little pressure to contribute by jumping on the train, as the lynch seemed likely regardless. My suspicion then is that at least one, if not both, killers would have stayed off the train, and that's a manageable number of players to look at. I'm confident at least one of Ampelas, Denul, Jalan or Merrid will turn out scum. I'll be having a look at them tomorrow.

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 02:35 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 15 minutes since time out

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Osseric, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Rashan ( Barghast, Kilava, Cast, Osseric, Thyrllan, Nimander Golit, Silchas Ruin )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Galain )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Rashan )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Denul, Jalan, Merrid


Rashan has been lynched. He was ItWasNom and a Roleless Innocent.

Underlined: No. It's not understandable. If you consider balance, the Vig is there to take their best shot a scum towards mid or end-game. Just using it "because you can" is completely selfish behaviour that does nothing for town other than reduce its chances when it's fired off like this.

That said, it's over and done with. Player fucked up and now it's time to get real. We've lost our healer and vig.

I don't like this post by you. You are setting up numerous low target options for the day (other than Amp which pings a non-member of the group), rather than actually looking at play styles and interactions.

As of right now, I'd put my vote on you as scum because you know I'm innocent and defending me will make you look better.

Whatever floats your boat. My guess is still that the vig just had a strong day 1 vibe and went with it. To be frank, vigs only rarely come up trumps, whether they blow their load on day 1 or day 5. It's not something to rely on and therefore it's not something to get massively worked up about either.

You say I'm setting up low target options and yet the only low target in the players I named is Denul, so that doesn't really work. I'm also prepared to ignore Denul for now from that list because they're such a non-entity. Neither am I defending you - I'm pointing out the flaw in the reasoning that's been given. There may very well be, however, better reasons for voting for you

As it is, I think I'd be happy with either a Jalan or Merrid vote. The latter always seems to perk up when their name is mentioned, the former has coasted throughout the game so far. Both have given pretty similar reasons for being absent from the day 1 vote, which makes me think they don't work as partners. So need to decide which is more town. In that sense, there's more to work with from Merrid, who has attempted some analysis of others' play. Jalan just has the Silchas thing and has disappeared ever since.

What, is Town not allowed to want to be alive and avoid stupid lynches anymore?

[Ampelas]

Merrid, on 06 April 2017 - 11:46 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 06 April 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

Merrid, on 06 April 2017 - 11:03 AM, said:

What I find interesting is all the accusations and votes against me based only on a couple of quotes from my day 1 play. Ampelas is presenting a very selective picture

I admit I haven't read up exclusively on day two because we are still in it, my vote on you or Cast is based on your day one play.

This has to be the stupidest excuse ever. You are not going to look at Day 2 play but only focus on my tiny day 1 contributions? Talk about being blinkered.

To me this looks like something entirely different. You were pushing on Kilava for a lynch, I posted and showed how silly your argument was and then you started pushing me for a lynch. Its stupid and irritating.

Because you are scum and feel you'll be lynched for the wrong reasons?

I read up, you did not engage in dragonshecks and you did not vote yet you had two people you accused. So you had two suspects you could have voted for but didn't.

You are focusing on the wrong player to whine to. I don't give a shit. Explain your day one play to me.

Other than that, look at why both Osseric and Galain are voting for you, they have better reasons I am sure yet I wouldn't be voting for you if I thought you were playing for town.

[Ampelas]

Osseric, on 05 April 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

Merrid, on 05 April 2017 - 09:34 AM, said:

I did not vote as there were still 12 hours to go until time out when I was last on. I did highlight some signalling but did not feel strongly enough about a candidate to vote. Unfortunately due to health and scheduling issues I was not able to be back by timeout.

You "did not feel strongly enough about a candidate to vote", huh? So there was nobody you found scummy at all? Town find people scummy, that's their job. If you aren't doing that, you probably aren't town in my book.

Actually, he had two posts that showed he could have voted for someone.

[Ampelas]

Osseric, on 05 April 2017 - 07:33 PM, said:

So to compound my feeling that Merrid isn't pulling their weight as town, they go and put a vote down on an existing train at the slightest sign of pressure. I had a look back at his posts early in the day and there's a lot of quoting, but not a lot of analysis...getting an "I must try to appear to be doing something, even though I have nothing really to say" kind of vibe. I'm happy with where my vote is for now. What do other people think?

Only later, after this post did you start throwing some stuff together.

[Merrid]

Ampelas, on 06 April 2017 - 11:58 AM, said:

Merrid, on 06 April 2017 - 11:46 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 06 April 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

Merrid, on 06 April 2017 - 11:03 AM, said:

What I find interesting is all the accusations and votes against me based only on a couple of quotes from my day 1 play. Ampelas is presenting a very selective picture

I admit I haven't read up exclusively on day two because we are still in it, my vote on you or Cast is based on your day one play.

This has to be the stupidest excuse ever. You are not going to look at Day 2 play but only focus on my tiny day 1 contributions? Talk about being blinkered.

To me this looks like something entirely different. You were pushing on Kilava for a lynch, I posted and showed how silly your argument was and then you started pushing me for a lynch. Its stupid and irritating.

Because you are scum and feel you'll be lynched for the wrong reasons?

I read up, you did not engage in dragonshecks and you did not vote yet you had two people you accused. So you had two suspects you could have voted for but didn't.

You are focusing on the wrong player to whine to. I don't give a shit. Explain your day one play to me.

Other than that, look at why both Osseric and Galain are voting for you, they have better reasons I am sure yet I wouldn't be voting for you if I thought you were playing for town.

I did have suspicions, but I was not sure. I also knew that I would be going to bed shortly and would not be around for end of day. I did not want to put in a vote 12 hours early that I would not be able to change.

And I was busy for a significant part of Day 1, so I essentially skipped the dragonsex.

Is this all that you found scummy?

Interesting. I though scum would be found on the Rashan train, you seem to think they were elsewhere. Got any reasons for this?

[Ampelas]

Was Cast on the Rashan train?

[Merrid]

Ampelas, on 06 April 2017 - 12:21 PM, said:

Was Cast on the Rashan train?

Between Kilava and Osseric.

You seriously need to read more.

[Jalan]

I'm very briefly here. Let me catch up before I go out again and I'll vote as I won't be around at timeout

[Ampelas]

Merrid, on 06 April 2017 - 12:30 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 06 April 2017 - 12:21 PM, said:

Was Cast on the Rashan train?

Between Kilava and Osseric.

You seriously need to read more.

Merrid, on 06 April 2017 - 12:03 PM, said:

Interesting. I though scum would be found on the Rashan train, you seem to think they were elsewhere. Got any reasons for this?

This is why I was asking.