[Gamelon]

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 02:47 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

See, I don't get this. Maybe I'm just old-school like that, but I tend to take a reveal as genuine, unless it's challenged. So Serc's behaviour (call bullshit, ram a quick lynch through, then conveniently "counter" on D-day) fits my impression of scum more than the un-provable supposition that Mac was a symp.

Fanderay's reveal looked really dodgy, why would a healer out himself on D2 if Fande was gonna get lynched anyway?

If I was a healer about to be lynched on Day 1, I would have revealed too. *shrugs* I certainly wouldn't have just rolled over to die.

[Serc]

Serc, on 23 March 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 06:39 AM, said:

Iparth Stiles contribution is interesting.
Or not.
Talk a bout a drop in and drive by.
And alkends is just....


I'm not sure what I have to defend here, I've made my feelings clear, I think Mockra is suspicious and serc was deflecting from him.
I've noted Gamelons post that I didn't like and noted how Alkend seems to be massively deflecting for him. So for me it's a mockra or Gamelon vote today, but personally I think Mockra because Gamelon has been too verbose and visible of the (imo) two options

Here you were on 3 votes with no other option on the table. This is where you should have revealed so that we could move on to a better target.

Not with under 40 minutes left in the day. There is no way we can lynch elsewhere, but this looks like a last ditch attempt to save yourself.

First attempt at discredit AND I did not remove my vote.

Serc, on 23 March 2017 - 09:59 AM, said:

Not sure whether I believe you enough to remove to be honest. Looks like we will time out anyway.

wanting to see what he said

Serc, on 23 March 2017 - 11:03 AM, said:

That's a great result for us, either successful guard, killer withheld or Fanderay healed correctly.

Who did you heal Fandy?

I explain why I did not counter reveal here;

Serc, on 23 March 2017 - 03:19 PM, said:

Not had much time as I'd like today. Fanderay reveals as healer when at L1 with 30 minutes left in the day. Just smells of desperation.

Now I would 100% not want a counter reveal, I suggest we lynch Fanderay. This is why..

Quote

Doctor: You work tirelessly to keep your patients alive.

You are a Healer.

- Twice during the game, you may select an alt that you would like to heal. If that alt is targetted by a Killer at night, they will not die.
- You will be informed after each night how many heals you have remaining.
- You will not be informed if a kill was averted as a result of your actions.

You will CF as 'Innocent'.

He is telling us that he used one out of his two heals on a player who had one post and could be mod-killed. That is way too far fetched. As a healer with only two uses surely you'd save them for when the probability of the heal working would be high. Like on a guard reveal later in the game or something like that.

Vote Fanderay

[Mockra]

Gamelon, on 29 March 2017 - 02:49 PM, said:

Serc, on 29 March 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

See, I don't get this. Maybe I'm just old-school like that, but I tend to take a reveal as genuine, unless it's challenged. So Serc's behaviour (call bullshit, ram a quick lynch through, then conveniently "counter" on D-day) fits my impression of scum more than the un-provable supposition that Mac was a symp.

Hang on I did everything to discredit Fand from the get go. I'll pull up all relevant quotes.

Serc, not one of us has doubted that you immediately tried to discredit Fanderay. We are saying that THAT is what makes you fucking scummy. If you were a healer, you should have just revealed. Instead you went after a revealed healer the way scum would. Are you really surprised that we're questioning your reveal now because of it?

I am

[Gamelon]

Gamelon, on 29 March 2017 - 02:48 PM, said:

Serc, on 29 March 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 March 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

See, I don't get this. Maybe I'm just old-school like that, but I tend to take a reveal as genuine, unless it's challenged. So Serc's behaviour (call bullshit, ram a quick lynch through, then conveniently "counter" on D-day) fits my impression of scum more than the un-provable supposition that Mac was a symp.

This. This right here is the exact point I have been trying to make. If Serc is, in fact, a healer, he should have revealed immediately. It would have meant losing him during the following Night cycle, but we wouldn't be mired in this WIFOM pit today. Which is the main reason I have lots of doubts about Serc's reveal. It's just too convenient.

No you didn't say that earlier in the game, you said you'd have a long think about it. Such a liar!

WTF are you talking about? I think you're coming unhinged Serc.

Ah, I know what you're talking about now. You're right, I did say that. And I've thought long and hard about what I'd do, but in the end, I wouldn't have speed lynched a revealed healer, and I would likely have counter-revealed. What you did was exactly how scum would deal with a revealed healer. Immediately discredit the reveal, then try to speed lynch before they can get out of it.

[Gamelon]

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 02:51 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 March 2017 - 02:49 PM, said:

Serc, on 29 March 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

See, I don't get this. Maybe I'm just old-school like that, but I tend to take a reveal as genuine, unless it's challenged. So Serc's behaviour (call bullshit, ram a quick lynch through, then conveniently "counter" on D-day) fits my impression of scum more than the un-provable supposition that Mac was a symp.

Hang on I did everything to discredit Fand from the get go. I'll pull up all relevant quotes.

Serc, not one of us has doubted that you immediately tried to discredit Fanderay. We are saying that THAT is what makes you fucking scummy. If you were a healer, you should have just revealed. Instead you went after a revealed healer the way scum would. Are you really surprised that we're questioning your reveal now because of it?

I am

No one cares about scum 'questioning' another scum player.

[Serc]

Serc, on 23 March 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 03:13 PM, said:

No. I think the dog pile on me out of nowhere looks dodgy as fuck. I wake up and what do I see? A load thinly at best reasoned votes, I log back on a while later and there's 2 fucking drive by drop in.
I reveal be no one removes, despite there being at least one player FOR DEFINITE on thread posting, leaving a claimed healer on L-1.

For me, again today, the vote is Gamelon (tied to Alkend in my mind) or Mockra (tied to serc in my mind)

I was around and I was not removing because I did not believe you. I asked you why you didn't reveal earlier when you had 3 votes and you just said Gamelon and Mockra where on the table. How does that persuade me you were genuine?

Here about not believing him and then

Serc, on 23 March 2017 - 03:51 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 03:44 PM, said:

Let me clarify this on a double level for you.
Revealed healer - life expectancy low, point of withholding heals? Zero
Healer heals Hanas. Hanas is still alive, without set up spec,a reasonable chance Hanas was the correct heal.

Wasted?

Stop wasting my fucking time

Or you withheld your kill to give credit to your claim. You were going to get lynched anyway and this way may be a way to get the healer to counter reveal.

Tried to give you a clue here;

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

You are right Alkend, I did want to lynch Fanderay because I did not believe his reveal. I still don't. Think on that a little.

If you think I am the best choice today then go for it, I want to read up more before I comment further and finding the time may be a bit problematic. If no one else presents anything then just lynch me and move on with the game.

trying to discredit without revealing...

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 01:50 PM, said:

Alkend, on 27 March 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

You are right Alkend, I did want to lynch Fanderay because I did not believe his reveal. I still don't. Think on that a little.

If you think I am the best choice today then go for it, I want to read up more before I comment further and finding the time may be a bit problematic. If no one else presents anything then just lynch me and move on with the game.

So you think he was a symp? For who?

Haven't read up yet but he was going to be lynched anyway so how would he through more suspicion out there. His reveal did not add up for numerous reasons.

more...

[Gamelon]

Serc, on 29 March 2017 - 02:50 PM, said:

Serc, on 23 March 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 06:39 AM, said:

Iparth Stiles contribution is interesting.
Or not.
Talk a bout a drop in and drive by.
And alkends is just....


I'm not sure what I have to defend here, I've made my feelings clear, I think Mockra is suspicious and serc was deflecting from him.
I've noted Gamelons post that I didn't like and noted how Alkend seems to be massively deflecting for him. So for me it's a mockra or Gamelon vote today, but personally I think Mockra because Gamelon has been too verbose and visible of the (imo) two options

Here you were on 3 votes with no other option on the table. This is where you should have revealed so that we could move on to a better target.

Not with under 40 minutes left in the day. There is no way we can lynch elsewhere, but this looks like a last ditch attempt to save yourself.

First attempt at discredit AND I did not remove my vote.

Serc, on 23 March 2017 - 09:59 AM, said:

Not sure whether I believe you enough to remove to be honest. Looks like we will time out anyway.

wanting to see what he said

Serc, on 23 March 2017 - 11:03 AM, said:

That's a great result for us, either successful guard, killer withheld or Fanderay healed correctly.

Who did you heal Fandy?

I explain why I did not counter reveal here;

Serc, on 23 March 2017 - 03:19 PM, said:

Not had much time as I'd like today. Fanderay reveals as healer when at L1 with 30 minutes left in the day. Just smells of desperation.

Now I would 100% not want a counter reveal, I suggest we lynch Fanderay. This is why..

Quote

Doctor: You work tirelessly to keep your patients alive.

You are a Healer.

- Twice during the game, you may select an alt that you would like to heal. If that alt is targetted by a Killer at night, they will not die.
- You will be informed after each night how many heals you have remaining.
- You will not be informed if a kill was averted as a result of your actions.

You will CF as 'Innocent'.

He is telling us that he used one out of his two heals on a player who had one post and could be mod-killed. That is way too far fetched. As a healer with only two uses surely you'd save them for when the probability of the heal working would be high. Like on a guard reveal later in the game or something like that.

Vote Fanderay

Good job Serc, you've basically copied and pasted parts of my exact posts from Day 3 and added your own commentary!

[Alkend]

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 02:47 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

See, I don't get this. Maybe I'm just old-school like that, but I tend to take a reveal as genuine, unless it's challenged. So Serc's behaviour (call bullshit, ram a quick lynch through, then conveniently "counter" on D-day) fits my impression of scum more than the un-provable supposition that Mac was a symp.

Fanderay's reveal looked really dodgy, why would a healer out himself on D2 if Fande was gonna get lynched anyway?

To avoid the goddamn clusterfuck we're in right now!
Seriously, take a step back and think. One player reveals as healer. Another immediately jumps on that and says, "he's a list, lynch him!" CF is inno. 2 days later, on D-day, said player says " he can't be healer! I'M THE Spartacus healer", and expects everyone to believe the first guy was a symp (something there's no way to verify) just because he said so? On D-Day?

[Gamelon]

Like, we have already had this exact conversation, I don't understand why you're trying to clutter the thread with it again.

[Serc]

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 27 March 2017 - 05:19 PM, said:

Mockra, on 27 March 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 27 March 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

Though I wouldn't put it past Macros to healer reveal as a symp - it is mildly clever - that would have been a dangerous move. A simple counter-reveal would have seen him lynched anyway. No, I don't believe for a second that Fanderay was not, in fact, a healer that chose a poor heal target for Night 1, and that he revealed a bit later in Day 1 than he should have.

Said counter-reveal would also point out the real healer to scum.

It's true, I'll give you that one. Still, if I was the healer and someone else revealed as healer, I'd certainly have to think long and hard about whether or not I'd let that person get away with it so early in the game. In this case, there was no need to do so given we pretty much all disbelieved the reveal originally.

Exactly.

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

This is the reason we need to lynch Gamelon. Nuff said.

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

Then more fool you. I only popped in but saw that post by you.

Gamelon is uber smart but scum.

Be back tomorrow unless lynched.

I was on the verge of just revealing here, but still thought it be better if I wait.

[Gamelon]

remove vote
vote Serc

[Alkend]

How the fuck does "liar" turn into "list" ? Auto-correct continues to amaze me..

[Alkend]

Serc, on 29 March 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 27 March 2017 - 05:19 PM, said:

Mockra, on 27 March 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 27 March 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

Though I wouldn't put it past Macros to healer reveal as a symp - it is mildly clever - that would have been a dangerous move. A simple counter-reveal would have seen him lynched anyway. No, I don't believe for a second that Fanderay was not, in fact, a healer that chose a poor heal target for Night 1, and that he revealed a bit later in Day 1 than he should have.

Said counter-reveal would also point out the real healer to scum.

It's true, I'll give you that one. Still, if I was the healer and someone else revealed as healer, I'd certainly have to think long and hard about whether or not I'd let that person get away with it so early in the game. In this case, there was no need to do so given we pretty much all disbelieved the reveal originally.

Exactly.

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

This is the reason we need to lynch Gamelon. Nuff said.

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

Then more fool you. I only popped in but saw that post by you.

Gamelon is uber smart but scum.

Be back tomorrow unless lynched.

I was on the verge of just revealing here, but still thought it be better if I wait.

Clearly it wasn't, because I'm finding it much harder to buy a D-day reveal.

[Serc]

Look Gam is panicking cause I caught his lie, the last quoted text, he says he'd have a long think about it, but now he is saying he would've revealed immediately. Its bollocks, if you town Alkend then fucking look at Gam, he is well leading you astray. He is a lying scum bag, do not back him up.

[Serc]

Fair enough Alkend, once again you are being rigid in your approach and we never see eye to eye. I always find you scummy and you never listen to me. Agree to disagree on what the correct way to play the game is.

[Serc]

What is funny about Gam's switch, is that he thinks Mockra is best choice for scum today but since I am adding pressure his way, he jumps onto your vote.

[Gamelon]

Serc, on 29 March 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

Look Gam is panicking cause I caught his lie, the last quoted text, he says he'd have a long think about it, but now he is saying he would've revealed immediately. Its bollocks, if you town Alkend then fucking look at Gam, he is well leading you astray. He is a lying scum bag, do not back him up.

You're cute Serc. I'm not in any way panicking. I'm calling you out on your bullshit, I'd say you're the one panicking. You're flailing like a dying fish.

[Alkend]

Incidentally, I confess to having a total blind spot for Bek, because he called out a few people on BS speculation about potential symp cases early on, thus sparing me having to do that, like - usually end up doing most games.

For that reason I had him down as likely town very early on and didn't look much his way. If I have time for a re-read tonight, I'll have to try to pay him closer attention.

[Mockra]

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 02:54 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 02:47 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

See, I don't get this. Maybe I'm just old-school like that, but I tend to take a reveal as genuine, unless it's challenged. So Serc's behaviour (call bullshit, ram a quick lynch through, then conveniently "counter" on D-day) fits my impression of scum more than the un-provable supposition that Mac was a symp.

Fanderay's reveal looked really dodgy, why would a healer out himself on D2 if Fande was gonna get lynched anyway?

To avoid the goddamn clusterfuck we're in right now!
Seriously, take a step back and think. One player reveals as healer. Another immediately jumps on that and says, "he's a list, lynch him!" CF is inno. 2 days later, on D-day, said player says " he can't be healer! I'M THE Spartacus healer", and expects everyone to believe the first guy was a symp (something there's no way to verify) just because he said so? On D-Day?

From the point we could have finished the game without Serc ever needing to reveal, there wouldn't have had to been the "clusterfuck". We would have lost our healer the very night if he reavealed.

[Gamelon]

Serc, on 29 March 2017 - 03:00 PM, said:

What is funny about Gam's switch, is that he thinks Mockra is best choice for scum today but since I am adding pressure his way, he jumps onto your vote.

Actually, I think I made it pretty clear that your flailing and outright lies, and obvious fake reveal are why I switched my vote. Alkend wants to go with you today, I'm fine with that. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, it's why I voted Mockra. I said that when I voted for Mockra, I said it in several posts AFTER I voted Mockra, and I'm saying it again now. I don't believe your reveal. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Alkend seems pretty convinced that your reveal is fake, and I agree with him, so there we go, I switched my vote. Stop trying to misrepresent my vote.