[Serc]

Alkend, on 23 March 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

Back and caught up.


Since no one's countering Fandy, I'm willing to take his reveal as genuine for now.

With that,

vote Okaros

Going back to my Day 1 vote, at least until I have a chance to maybe take another look at some of the more verbose players

Alkend wanted someone to counter reveal here. As a killer he may have wanted to be sure of Fanderay's reveal so he could probably target him at night.

[Serc]

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

How is Hanas not a kill target?
He's a nothing player. This is who to kill as a killer. Me (pre reveal) mockra and Gamelon have had scrutiny. Serc and Alkend have been noted (by me ambient, but lynching me would have swung the spotlight back on whoever I was suspicious off) kaschan had a vote switch,Bek has said at least something and okaros got ratty with someone.
That left Hanas and epath erule, eparth has done more than Hanas and thus has more to use.

Fanderay is showing his thoughts here, "lynching me would have swung spotlight on whoever I was suspicious off", Mockra and Gamelon. Reading back like this, the clues are pointing towards Alkend being the killer.

[Serc]

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 03:13 PM, said:

No. I think the dog pile on me out of nowhere looks dodgy as fuck. I wake up and what do I see? A load thinly at best reasoned votes, I log back on a while later and there's 2 fucking drive by drop in.
I reveal be no one removes, despite there being at least one player FOR DEFINITE on thread posting, leaving a claimed healer on L-1.

For me, again today, the vote is Gamelon (tied to Alkend in my mind) or Mockra (tied to serc in my mind)

This is the split we got yesterday. This is its origin.

[Serc]

Alkend, on 23 March 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

I also don't see much merit in the Hanas heal, tbh. But that's probably because my own strategy as scum is always to remove vocal players and first.

Anyway, I'm having a very shit day at work, struggling to keep my eyes open most of the time. I'll be back later, hopefully when I'm capable of stringing thoughts together.

Is it just a coincidence that the most vocal players are still alive, Gamelon, and myself. This game has seen some of the more obscure players killed in Kaschan and Iparth, so Alkend giving his strategy and going against it. Fits.

[Serc]

Alkend, on 23 March 2017 - 08:49 PM, said:

Mockra, on 23 March 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 08:17 PM, said:

if you are going to lynch me fucking lynch me so I can get on with my life

Yeah nothing has made me change my opinion so far

vote Fanderay

My next candidates would be Gamelon and IE but either way I don't think we could move on easily with your presence hanging around here like this

Didn't we do the exact same thing 2 games ago? Only then we lynched a guard...

If he's still alive tomorrow, I'm fine with lynching him. Right now it seems foolish, though.

Alkend taking the morale ground, setting up a future lynch, or knowing Fanderay would be his target.

[Serc]

So here we are. Next day, he steps up to his moral high ground and goes after the people that Fanderay mentioned.

Alkend, on 23 March 2017 - 11:20 PM, said:

Well, well...

Alkend, on 24 March 2017 - 01:54 PM, said:

Morning, all.

Gonna attempt a re-read to get this clusterfuck figured out.

Alkend, on 24 March 2017 - 03:33 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 23 March 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 1 minute since time out


10 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Gamelon, Hanas, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Gamelon ( Kaschan )
1 Vote for Mockra ( Fanderay )
5 Votes for Fanderay ( Bek Okhan, Iparth Erule, Alkend, Serc, Mockra )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas, Okaros

---------

Day has timed out without a lynch. It is now night in the hospital.

Path-Shaper, on 23 March 2017 - 09:54 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 36 hours and 49 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Gamelon, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Okaros ( Alkend )
5 Votes for Fanderay ( Serc, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Fanderay )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Gamelon, Iparth Erule



Fanderay has been lynched. He was Macros, and Innocent.

Waiting on ST to resolve as I'm about to start work
-Mess

Now resolved
-ST

Here's the 2 trains. Serc and Mockra last 2 votes on Day 1, and then Mockra follows Serc again on Day2.

Serc's been pushy on Day 1, playing loose with his votes, as if he didn't really care who'd get lynched. But on Day 2, he was very quick to organize a train on a revealed healer.

vote Serc

Alkend, on 27 March 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

You are right Alkend, I did want to lynch Fanderay because I did not believe his reveal. I still don't. Think on that a little.

If you think I am the best choice today then go for it, I want to read up more before I comment further and finding the time may be a bit problematic. If no one else presents anything then just lynch me and move on with the game.

So you think he was a symp? For who?

Here, shouldn't he be asking why I thought he was a symp, instead he is wondering whether I suspect him.

Alkend, on 27 March 2017 - 06:30 PM, said:

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

Then more fool you. I only popped in but saw that post by you.

Gamelon is uber smart but scum.

Be back tomorrow unless lynched.

I don't get this either.

I am glad he didn't get my hints, because I suspect I would be dead.

[Serc]

At first I was looking at both Gamelon and Alkend but as I read up I think it most likely that Alkend is scum. That is where I will be voting today.

[Alkend]

If I was killer, you'd be dead regardless, as soon as I alted you.

I slept on it, thought about it and I don't see myself voting anyone other than Serc. I'll give my reasons in a few h once I'm @ work.

Okaros: so you're subscribing to the "maccy was killer who suicided hoping there was a promotable symp out there" BS serc's been laying down? Okay, then.

[Serc]

Alkend, on 30 March 2017 - 11:22 AM, said:

If I was killer, you'd be dead regardless, as soon as I alted you.

I slept on it, thought about it and I don't see myself voting anyone other than Serc. I'll give my reasons in a few h once I'm @ work.

Okaros: so you're subscribing to the "maccy was killer who suicided hoping there was a promotable symp out there" BS serc's been laying down? Okay, then.

There you go again, hiding behind wifom. You also said you'd off the higher posters.

Fanderay was scum, and you were the person he was protecting by labelling you as a symp.

[Alkend]

I'm being honest. I hate going into fucking lategame with you, because you pull shit like this, that makes it impossible for me to think you're town. If we end up losing this, I'll howl in frustration, because every single fucking thing you've done since your "reveal" seems designed to persuade me you can't be any more full of shit.

On the bus, more later. I'm going over the list in my head right now, and I want to scream, because it's totally possible Okaros or Game are playing us, but I cannot in good conscience vote anywhere but you.

[Serc]

Alkend, on 30 March 2017 - 11:48 AM, said:

I'm being honest. I hate going into fucking lategame with you, because you pull shit like this, that makes it impossible for me to think you're town. If we end up losing this, I'll howl in frustration, because every single fucking thing you've done since your "reveal" seems designed to persuade me you can't be any more full of shit.

On the bus, more later. I'm going over the list in my head right now, and I want to scream, because it's totally possible Okaros or Game are playing us, but I cannot in good conscience vote anywhere but you.

What analyse the thread and fall on you being scum? It took a lot for me to actually not pursue Gamelon like I have been and take a step back to do that re read. Even during it, I still found a couple of things Gamelon has done to make me think he could be scum, yet your analysis falls on meta and wifom.

[Alkend]

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 09:46 AM, said:

So here we are. Next day, he steps up to his moral high ground and goes after the people that Fanderay mentioned.

Alkend, on 23 March 2017 - 11:20 PM, said:

Well, well...

Alkend, on 24 March 2017 - 01:54 PM, said:

Morning, all.

Gonna attempt a re-read to get this clusterfuck figured out.

Alkend, on 24 March 2017 - 03:33 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 23 March 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 1 minute since time out


10 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Gamelon, Hanas, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Gamelon ( Kaschan )
1 Vote for Mockra ( Fanderay )
5 Votes for Fanderay ( Bek Okhan, Iparth Erule, Alkend, Serc, Mockra )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas, Okaros

---------

Day has timed out without a lynch. It is now night in the hospital.

Path-Shaper, on 23 March 2017 - 09:54 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 36 hours and 49 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Gamelon, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Okaros ( Alkend )
5 Votes for Fanderay ( Serc, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Fanderay )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Gamelon, Iparth Erule



Fanderay has been lynched. He was Macros, and Innocent.

Waiting on ST to resolve as I'm about to start work
-Mess

Now resolved
-ST

Here's the 2 trains. Serc and Mockra last 2 votes on Day 1, and then Mockra follows Serc again on Day2.

Serc's been pushy on Day 1, playing loose with his votes, as if he didn't really care who'd get lynched. But on Day 2, he was very quick to organize a train on a revealed healer.

vote Serc

Alkend, on 27 March 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

You are right Alkend, I did want to lynch Fanderay because I did not believe his reveal. I still don't. Think on that a little.

If you think I am the best choice today then go for it, I want to read up more before I comment further and finding the time may be a bit problematic. If no one else presents anything then just lynch me and move on with the game.

So you think he was a symp? For who?

Here, shouldn't he be asking why I thought he was a symp, instead he is wondering whether I suspect him.

Alkend, on 27 March 2017 - 06:30 PM, said:

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

Then more fool you. I only popped in but saw that post by you.

Gamelon is uber smart but scum.

Be back tomorrow unless lynched.

I don't get this either.

I am glad he didn't get my hints, because I suspect I would be dead.

Okay, I started to read your "analysis" of me, and...

How does the underlined stack together?

Mac CFed inno. You suspect he was scumm of course I'm gonna assume you mean he's a fucking symp. How does me asking who was he symping translate into "wondering if I suspect you?"

You are making leaps of logic and conjecture out of thin air. It's why I always have a hard time taking your cases seriously. And ity frustrates the fuck out of me, because I can't tell if you're just too obtuse to realize other people won't necessarily make the leap of faith away from logic with you, or if you are deliberately doing it as scum, hoping people will follow the bullshit without thinking too hard about it.

[Serc]

Alkend, on 30 March 2017 - 12:42 PM, said:

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 09:46 AM, said:

So here we are. Next day, he steps up to his moral high ground and goes after the people that Fanderay mentioned.

Alkend, on 23 March 2017 - 11:20 PM, said:

Well, well...

Alkend, on 24 March 2017 - 01:54 PM, said:

Morning, all.

Gonna attempt a re-read to get this clusterfuck figured out.

Alkend, on 24 March 2017 - 03:33 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 23 March 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 1 minute since time out


10 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Gamelon, Hanas, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Gamelon ( Kaschan )
1 Vote for Mockra ( Fanderay )
5 Votes for Fanderay ( Bek Okhan, Iparth Erule, Alkend, Serc, Mockra )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas, Okaros

---------

Day has timed out without a lynch. It is now night in the hospital.

Path-Shaper, on 23 March 2017 - 09:54 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 36 hours and 49 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Gamelon, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Okaros ( Alkend )
5 Votes for Fanderay ( Serc, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Fanderay )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Gamelon, Iparth Erule



Fanderay has been lynched. He was Macros, and Innocent.

Waiting on ST to resolve as I'm about to start work
-Mess

Now resolved
-ST

Here's the 2 trains. Serc and Mockra last 2 votes on Day 1, and then Mockra follows Serc again on Day2.

Serc's been pushy on Day 1, playing loose with his votes, as if he didn't really care who'd get lynched. But on Day 2, he was very quick to organize a train on a revealed healer.

vote Serc

Alkend, on 27 March 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

You are right Alkend, I did want to lynch Fanderay because I did not believe his reveal. I still don't. Think on that a little.

If you think I am the best choice today then go for it, I want to read up more before I comment further and finding the time may be a bit problematic. If no one else presents anything then just lynch me and move on with the game.

So you think he was a symp? For who?

Here, shouldn't he be asking why I thought he was a symp, instead he is wondering whether I suspect him.

Alkend, on 27 March 2017 - 06:30 PM, said:

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

Then more fool you. I only popped in but saw that post by you.

Gamelon is uber smart but scum.

Be back tomorrow unless lynched.

I don't get this either.

I am glad he didn't get my hints, because I suspect I would be dead.

Okay, I started to read your "analysis" of me, and...

How does the underlined stack together?

Mac CFed inno. You suspect he was scumm of course I'm gonna assume you mean he's a fucking symp. How does me asking who was he symping translate into "wondering if I suspect you?"

You are making leaps of logic and conjecture out of thin air. It's why I always have a hard time taking your cases seriously. And ity frustrates the fuck out of me, because I can't tell if you're just too obtuse to realize other people won't necessarily make the leap of faith away from logic with you, or if you are deliberately doing it as scum, hoping people will follow the bullshit without thinking too hard about it.

The difference between you and I is that I know Fanderay was not the healer, unless of course there were two healers but I very much doubt that. So I am looking at remaining players and connections to Fanderay. Okaros is in no way connected, Gamelon is but Fanderay accuses him much more than he does anyone else left alive. The only accusation Fanderay pinned on you was potential symp. That is why your my main suspect.

[Alkend]

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 12:50 PM, said:

Alkend, on 30 March 2017 - 12:42 PM, said:

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 09:46 AM, said:

So here we are. Next day, he steps up to his moral high ground and goes after the people that Fanderay mentioned.

Alkend, on 23 March 2017 - 11:20 PM, said:

Well, well...

Alkend, on 24 March 2017 - 01:54 PM, said:

Morning, all.

Gonna attempt a re-read to get this clusterfuck figured out.

Alkend, on 24 March 2017 - 03:33 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 23 March 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 1 minute since time out


10 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Gamelon, Hanas, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Gamelon ( Kaschan )
1 Vote for Mockra ( Fanderay )
5 Votes for Fanderay ( Bek Okhan, Iparth Erule, Alkend, Serc, Mockra )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas, Okaros

---------

Day has timed out without a lynch. It is now night in the hospital.

Path-Shaper, on 23 March 2017 - 09:54 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 36 hours and 49 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Gamelon, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Okaros ( Alkend )
5 Votes for Fanderay ( Serc, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Fanderay )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Gamelon, Iparth Erule



Fanderay has been lynched. He was Macros, and Innocent.

Waiting on ST to resolve as I'm about to start work
-Mess

Now resolved
-ST

Here's the 2 trains. Serc and Mockra last 2 votes on Day 1, and then Mockra follows Serc again on Day2.

Serc's been pushy on Day 1, playing loose with his votes, as if he didn't really care who'd get lynched. But on Day 2, he was very quick to organize a train on a revealed healer.

vote Serc

Alkend, on 27 March 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

You are right Alkend, I did want to lynch Fanderay because I did not believe his reveal. I still don't. Think on that a little.

If you think I am the best choice today then go for it, I want to read up more before I comment further and finding the time may be a bit problematic. If no one else presents anything then just lynch me and move on with the game.

So you think he was a symp? For who?

Here, shouldn't he be asking why I thought he was a symp, instead he is wondering whether I suspect him.

Alkend, on 27 March 2017 - 06:30 PM, said:

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

Then more fool you. I only popped in but saw that post by you.

Gamelon is uber smart but scum.

Be back tomorrow unless lynched.

I don't get this either.

I am glad he didn't get my hints, because I suspect I would be dead.

Okay, I started to read your "analysis" of me, and...

How does the underlined stack together?

Mac CFed inno. You suspect he was scumm of course I'm gonna assume you mean he's a fucking symp. How does me asking who was he symping translate into "wondering if I suspect you?"

You are making leaps of logic and conjecture out of thin air. It's why I always have a hard time taking your cases seriously. And ity frustrates the fuck out of me, because I can't tell if you're just too obtuse to realize other people won't necessarily make the leap of faith away from logic with you, or if you are deliberately doing it as scum, hoping people will follow the bullshit without thinking too hard about it.

The difference between you and I is that I know Fanderay was not the healer, unless of course there were two healers but I very much doubt that. So I am looking at remaining players and connections to Fanderay. Okaros is in no way connected, Gamelon is but Fanderay accuses him much more than he does anyone else left alive. The only accusation Fanderay pinned on you was potential symp. That is why your my main suspect.

And I'm supposed to take that at face value, because?...


Lemme go grab a cup of tea, and then I'll list all the things you've done to convince me you are clearly lying.

[Alkend]

okay. Warning, list incoming:

1) the lack of counter-reveal. We can argue till we're blue in the face about a difference of opinion here, but bottom line is, I don't think we should lynch revealed role without a counter. All my further thought processes are based off this, so take it or leave it.
-Mac's reveal is un-verifiable. We have your belated word that he was lying.
-your alternative explanation is that he was a symp, which is prima facie unverifiable.
-you follow up by suggesting that he may have been a killer. You only come up with that today. -Mac self-hammered. I cannot see scum doing that. If Mac did, hands down MotM play to him, but that fact makes me question your "reveal" more than anything.

2) the timing of your "reveal" . It was done on D-day. I cannot understand that. You're bound to invite scrutiny, it's bound to be met with scepticism. If you don't understand why people would be sceptical of a D-day reveal, you're stupider than I give you credit for.
I cannot accept it as genuine, because the timing is too convenient.

3) your "good-bye, cruel thread/good luck, town/oops, I guess I wasn't a hammer, how silly" . Twice. I don't believe it was genuine. I don't believe you lost count of votes on D-day, TWICE. I think it was calculated to elicit pity and give you some kind of "town cred" . It's funny that other than me, the only people alive are the 2 who did the remove votes while you were faking hammers.

4) yesterday, you emphasized how "Mac's CF baffled you" . I called out one inconsistency related to that already.
Today, you started the day by suddenly "remembering" about the CF manipulator, and launched an elaborate explanation of how Mac must've been killer and his CF has been manipulated.
Leaving aside, the plausibility of that whole scenario for a moment, I have to ask myself: you were "baffled" , since (as you've said and confirmed), you expected Mac to CF killer, and not once, until now, did the thought that the CF was manipulated cross your mind before? I'm supposed to believe that this is an "epiphany" you suddenly got on the very definitely D-day?

No, I'm sorry. You are asking me to believe in too many fucking "coincidences" to make your story stick together.

Here, I fucking hate speculating about roles, but there's a far simpler scenario for you:

YOU are the evil coroner/inheritor. Mockra was the killer. Mac was the healer, and either Kas or IE was the coroner.
You revealed to try to keep Mockra alive yesterday, turning the thread on Game. When you failed, you manipulated his CF, and inherited the kill power.

Yes, this is also conjecture, but it requires way less fucking leaps than I'd have to take to believe YOUR story.

[Alkend]

vote Serc

I accept I may be wrong. But I do not see another logical choice. I am not following my gut on Gamelon, and fuck Okaros if it's him having a laugh at our flailing against each other.
Serc's plan's made it impossible for me to believe him. So let's see if logic beats gut.

[Alkend]

Serc's PLAY, not "plan's"

[Serc]

So this has been your plan all along.

Well let's take one step back, you have said Mockra has followed me all game long. In fact your theory also includes that Mockra was the killer.

Only the symp or the evil coroner knew of the killer but you are saying that Mockra was neither of those two.

But going off your list;

I have explained why I did not counter reveal straight away, and also pushed for the lynch.

I was and still am confused of Fanderay's CF, of course I am going to speculate as to why because it is baffling. I thought killer with manipulated CF today but you quashed that with the killer wouldn't suicide and I accepted that, so I am back to thinking he was symp.

All those things are excused and wifom, the only facts was about my self votes yesterday but its hard when your banging your head against the wall.

That list, that post looks like you've been preparing for it, and is one reason I think I am still alive, to be your patsy today.

[Serc]

Alkend, on 30 March 2017 - 01:27 PM, said:

vote Serc

I accept I may be wrong. But I do not see another logical choice. I am not following my gut on Gamelon, and fuck Okaros if it's him having a laugh at our flailing against each other.
Serc's plan's made it impossible for me to believe him. So let's see if logic beats gut.

Yes, so be logical and stop letting your heart get in the way. On numerous occasions you have said I have played shit but never scummy. You don't think I am scum because you are.

[Serc]

Vote Alkend

His dedication to wanting to lynch me stems from day 3 onwards. He is focused on the reveal but before that it was because of Mockra's votes. He hasn't looked at Okaros or Gamelon, and says his gut points ate Gam, yet he has not even looked in that direction.