[Alkend]

Gamelon, on 30 March 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 March 2017 - 02:22 PM, said:

Alkend, on 30 March 2017 - 01:21 PM, said:

Here, I fucking hate speculating about roles, but there's a far simpler scenario for you:

YOU are the evil coroner/inheritor. Mockra was the killer. Mac was the healer, and either Kas or IE was the coroner.
You revealed to try to keep Mockra alive yesterday, turning the thread on Game. When you failed, you manipulated his CF, and inherited the kill power.

I like most of the above theory - but you're saying that Serc was the Promotable Coroner, but that there was ALSO a regular Coroner and Healer? Seems like you're complicating things.

That being said, I can absolutely see the Mockra = Killer, Serc = Promotable Evil Coroner theory. It makes Fanderay's reveal true, which I still lean more towards than not (I'm still so fucking unsure of that though - the only saving grace is the self-hammer), and absolutely explains Serc's DDay reveal as a fake reveal to try to keep us off Mockra, cause that's where the thread was mostly thinking of going at that point anyway.

Okay Mockra was lynched and was the killer? So why did a kill go through?

If Mockra was the killer, you are saying that the promotable CF changed the CF and put in a provisional kill?

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If the Psychopath dies, you will take his place as killer. You will lose the ability to affect the CF, but CFs will continue to be printed to thread.

Then Mockra would have CF'd guilty surely.

You're changing your story now. Earlier you were talking about how Fanderay could have been the killer and that the promotable coroner was still coroner when he was lynched, so that's why he CF'd as inno, then became the killer at night, thus making everyone else who was lynched/killed after Fandy was inno. I know you've moved on from that theory because of the self-hammer, but that doesn't change the crux of the theory as it relates to this. So what, that exact same situation isn't possible with you and Mockra?

Good catch. Is that 3rd or 4th time he's contradicting himself in this role spec?

[Alkend]

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 March 2017 - 02:28 PM, said:

Okaros, on 30 March 2017 - 05:51 AM, said:

With the lynching of Mockra coming up innocent, I have a difficult time believing that Serc is not the actual Healer. Mainly due to the fact that as I explained with my vote yesterday, Serc's reveal didn't really help Serc at all. It was designed to help draw us away from Mockra. This late in the game, I don't believe that a killer would risk themselves to try to save a symp.

But what if Mockra was the killer and Serc was the promotable coroner? That would change everything.

If Mockra was the killer then he also would not have known the coroner. So for him to follow my votes all game as Alkend suggested, that would make him look like setting me up as the killer.

Fuck sake, don't fall for Alkend's trap unless its you and you've got Alkend in your pocket.

Let's be honest, if he was a killer and saw you jump up first thing after a healer reveal to discredit it, it would not take him long to figure out you were probably his symp.

[Gamelon]

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

If Mockra was the killer then he also would not have known the coroner. So for him to follow my votes all game as Alkend suggested, that would make him look like setting me up as the killer.

I mean, if I were a killer I'd certainly try hard to make it seem like someone else was the killer. It backfired on Mockra, and that's absolutely a plausible result.

[Alkend]

at which point symping you would put him in a safe cozy spot, b/c the suspicion ought to have been on you in that case- which is basically want I've been doing Day 3 onwards.

[Gamelon]

I'd really really like to hear from Okaros. I know his earlier stuff was definitely anti-Alkend, but I've got a feeling his tune MAY change. I'd like to see what he thinks of today's developments.

[Serc]

Gamelon, on 30 March 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 March 2017 - 02:22 PM, said:

Alkend, on 30 March 2017 - 01:21 PM, said:

Here, I fucking hate speculating about roles, but there's a far simpler scenario for you:

YOU are the evil coroner/inheritor. Mockra was the killer. Mac was the healer, and either Kas or IE was the coroner.
You revealed to try to keep Mockra alive yesterday, turning the thread on Game. When you failed, you manipulated his CF, and inherited the kill power.

I like most of the above theory - but you're saying that Serc was the Promotable Coroner, but that there was ALSO a regular Coroner and Healer? Seems like you're complicating things.

That being said, I can absolutely see the Mockra = Killer, Serc = Promotable Evil Coroner theory. It makes Fanderay's reveal true, which I still lean more towards than not (I'm still so fucking unsure of that though - the only saving grace is the self-hammer), and absolutely explains Serc's DDay reveal as a fake reveal to try to keep us off Mockra, cause that's where the thread was mostly thinking of going at that point anyway.

Okay Mockra was lynched and was the killer? So why did a kill go through?

If Mockra was the killer, you are saying that the promotable CF changed the CF and put in a provisional kill?

Quote

If the Psychopath dies, you will take his place as killer. You will lose the ability to affect the CF, but CFs will continue to be printed to thread.

Then Mockra would have CF'd guilty surely.

You're changing your story now. Earlier you were talking about how Fanderay could have been the killer and that the promotable coroner was still coroner when he was lynched, so that's why he CF'd as inno, then became the killer at night, thus making everyone else who was lynched/killed after Fandy was inno. I know you've moved on from that theory because of the self-hammer, but that doesn't change the crux of the theory as it relates to this. So what, that exact same situation isn't possible with you and Mockra?

That theory was quashed with the self hammer so I did not think much of it afterwards, I am sure I would have read the PM's again to see if the theory could work.

When Fanderay revealed I was sure he was the killer trying for one more day.

When his CF come up innocent I was thinking symp.

Today I explored the possibility that he was the killer yet again but it doesn't work. Not only the self hammer but also the kill of the night of his lynch.

I was reading up those pm's before and noticed it. It suggests that the promotable coronoer will stop manipulating the CF and become the killer.

I am also not in the same ilk as Alkend who believed Mockra to be scum. I still don't.

This is why you two have been pinned together. Either you are piggy backing off of him or he is manipulating you. It doesn't make sense.

[Serc]

Alkend, on 30 March 2017 - 02:38 PM, said:

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 March 2017 - 02:28 PM, said:

Okaros, on 30 March 2017 - 05:51 AM, said:

With the lynching of Mockra coming up innocent, I have a difficult time believing that Serc is not the actual Healer. Mainly due to the fact that as I explained with my vote yesterday, Serc's reveal didn't really help Serc at all. It was designed to help draw us away from Mockra. This late in the game, I don't believe that a killer would risk themselves to try to save a symp.

But what if Mockra was the killer and Serc was the promotable coroner? That would change everything.

If Mockra was the killer then he also would not have known the coroner. So for him to follow my votes all game as Alkend suggested, that would make him look like setting me up as the killer.

Fuck sake, don't fall for Alkend's trap unless its you and you've got Alkend in your pocket.

Let's be honest, if he was a killer and saw you jump up first thing after a healer reveal to discredit it, it would not take him long to figure out you were probably his symp.

So then, noticing I am his symp, he followed my vote throughout the game? Bullshit.

[Gamelon]

It absolutely makes sense that the promotable coroner would still control the CF of the killer's lynch, before being promoted for the night cycle.

[Serc]

Gamelon, on 30 March 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

It absolutely makes sense that the promotable coroner would still control the CF of the killer's lynch, before being promoted for the night cycle.

Says nothing of that in the OP, unless you are privy to more information?

[Gamelon]

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 March 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

It absolutely makes sense that the promotable coroner would still control the CF of the killer's lynch, before being promoted for the night cycle.

Says nothing of that in the OP, unless you are privy to more information?

LoL, yeah, cause that's exactly what I'm saying. Stop trying to twist words to fit your notions Serc.

Anyway, I haven't much more to add until I hear from Okaros. My vote is almost definitely going on Serc, but I'm not completely convinced Alkend isn't scum. I'd like to hear what Okaros has to say.

[Serc]

Well I was not around for the end of day, I was at badminton and had left a vote. The resolution took 2 minutes looking back.

You are suggesting that I changed CF and left a kill provisional. I think you should ask PS whether 2 actions could be taken in one cycle because I don't think they would.

I left my heal on Okaros.

[Alkend]

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 02:42 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 March 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 March 2017 - 02:22 PM, said:

Alkend, on 30 March 2017 - 01:21 PM, said:

Here, I fucking hate speculating about roles, but there's a far simpler scenario for you:

YOU are the evil coroner/inheritor. Mockra was the killer. Mac was the healer, and either Kas or IE was the coroner.
You revealed to try to keep Mockra alive yesterday, turning the thread on Game. When you failed, you manipulated his CF, and inherited the kill power.

I like most of the above theory - but you're saying that Serc was the Promotable Coroner, but that there was ALSO a regular Coroner and Healer? Seems like you're complicating things.

That being said, I can absolutely see the Mockra = Killer, Serc = Promotable Evil Coroner theory. It makes Fanderay's reveal true, which I still lean more towards than not (I'm still so fucking unsure of that though - the only saving grace is the self-hammer), and absolutely explains Serc's DDay reveal as a fake reveal to try to keep us off Mockra, cause that's where the thread was mostly thinking of going at that point anyway.

Okay Mockra was lynched and was the killer? So why did a kill go through?

If Mockra was the killer, you are saying that the promotable CF changed the CF and put in a provisional kill?

Quote

If the Psychopath dies, you will take his place as killer. You will lose the ability to affect the CF, but CFs will continue to be printed to thread.

Then Mockra would have CF'd guilty surely.

You're changing your story now. Earlier you were talking about how Fanderay could have been the killer and that the promotable coroner was still coroner when he was lynched, so that's why he CF'd as inno, then became the killer at night, thus making everyone else who was lynched/killed after Fandy was inno. I know you've moved on from that theory because of the self-hammer, but that doesn't change the crux of the theory as it relates to this. So what, that exact same situation isn't possible with you and Mockra?

That theory was quashed with the self hammer so I did not think much of it afterwards, I am sure I would have read the PM's again to see if the theory could work.

When Fanderay revealed I was sure he was the killer trying for one more day.

When his CF come up innocent I was thinking symp.

Today I explored the possibility that he was the killer yet again but it doesn't work. Not only the self hammer but also the kill of the night of his lynch.

I was reading up those pm's before and noticed it. It suggests that the promotable coronoer will stop manipulating the CF and become the killer.

I am also not in the same ilk as Alkend who believed Mockra to be scum. I still don't.

This is why you two have been pinned together. Either you are piggy backing off of him or he is manipulating you. It doesn't make sense.

I was so sure Mockra was scum that I voted him 3 days in a row.... Oh wait.

Him following you was always a factor against you, it was never THE factor.

I didn't look into the CF idea until yesterday, when you guys brought it up.

So stop saying I'm taking it as Gospel, once again: it's a possible scenario I considered that requires less conjecture to explain what happened than what you are suggesting I believe

The existance of such a scenario is merely an illustration to my main point: you are trying to create an overly- complicated explanation that requires many leaps of logic, and (to me) it is indicative of you lying. Since I feel you are lying, I am voting you.

Got a client meeting, back in an hour max.

[Serc]

How is the leap in logic massive?

Fand was a symp about to be lynched.

He fake revealed to save himself.

He claimed he healed a mod killable player, there was no kill.

Then he self voted a hammer, probably to prevent his master from doing it.

Who was off of his train? Gamelon and Alkend. Nuff said.

[Serc]

One of you is scum trying to paint me as a liar and not a healer, the other is joining into the farce.

[Gamelon]

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Who was off of his train? Gamelon and Alkend. Nuff said.

Okay, enough with the "who wasn't on the train of a 6 hour speed lynch" argument. It's fucking stupid. Of course we were off the train, because the general rule around here is NOT to fucking speed lynch, especially a revealed healer, cause that's scummy as fuck. Scummier than NOT being on a fucking train, let alone a speed lynch train.

[Serc]

Gamelon, on 30 March 2017 - 03:00 PM, said:

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Who was off of his train? Gamelon and Alkend. Nuff said.

Okay, enough with the "who wasn't on the train of a 6 hour speed lynch" argument. It's fucking stupid. Of course we were off the train, because the general rule around here is NOT to fucking speed lynch, especially a revealed healer, cause that's scummy as fuck. Scummier than NOT being on a fucking train, let alone a speed lynch train.

yet he got 5 fucking votes Gam, he hammered himself.

If I got promoted to killer then why would I not just kill Alkend who has not swayed away from me since day 3? There is no way I would keep him around.

[Gamelon]

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 March 2017 - 03:00 PM, said:

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Who was off of his train? Gamelon and Alkend. Nuff said.

Okay, enough with the "who wasn't on the train of a 6 hour speed lynch" argument. It's fucking stupid. Of course we were off the train, because the general rule around here is NOT to fucking speed lynch, especially a revealed healer, cause that's scummy as fuck. Scummier than NOT being on a fucking train, let alone a speed lynch train.

yet he got 5 fucking votes Gam, he hammered himself.

If I got promoted to killer then why would I not just kill Alkend who has not swayed away from me since day 3? There is no way I would keep him around.

Blah blah blah fucking WIFOM. I want to believe you Serc, but Alkend is right, there are too many inconsistencies in your arguments. You're reaching now to try to find any reason to get me to lynch Alkend instead of you. Anyway, like I said, I'm gonna wait to hear from Okaros - his opinion as the most likely to be town left on thread (and I swear to god if he's the last scum, I'm gonna be very unimpressed), his opinion is the only one I really care about.

[Alkend]

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 March 2017 - 03:00 PM, said:

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Who was off of his train? Gamelon and Alkend. Nuff said.

Okay, enough with the "who wasn't on the train of a 6 hour speed lynch" argument. It's fucking stupid. Of course we were off the train, because the general rule around here is NOT to fucking speed lynch, especially a revealed healer, cause that's scummy as fuck. Scummier than NOT being on a fucking train, let alone a speed lynch train.

yet he got 5 fucking votes Gam, he hammered himself.

If I got promoted to killer then why would I not just kill Alkend who has not swayed away from me since day 3? There is no way I would keep him around.

Yeah, you, Mockra, Okaros, and Kas. Followed by a self-hammer. So technically he got 4 votes. Of these, the least dodgy vote is Kas. Okaros was a nonentity at the time, and that leaves you and your bosom buddy Mockra.

[Alkend]

And to clarify, Kas is least dodgy, b/c he's dead, natch.

[Alkend]

Gamelon, on 30 March 2017 - 03:07 PM, said:

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 March 2017 - 03:00 PM, said:

Serc, on 30 March 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Who was off of his train? Gamelon and Alkend. Nuff said.

Okay, enough with the "who wasn't on the train of a 6 hour speed lynch" argument. It's fucking stupid. Of course we were off the train, because the general rule around here is NOT to fucking speed lynch, especially a revealed healer, cause that's scummy as fuck. Scummier than NOT being on a fucking train, let alone a speed lynch train.

yet he got 5 fucking votes Gam, he hammered himself.

If I got promoted to killer then why would I not just kill Alkend who has not swayed away from me since day 3? There is no way I would keep him around.

Blah blah blah fucking WIFOM. I want to believe you Serc, but Alkend is right, there are too many inconsistencies in your arguments. You're reaching now to try to find any reason to get me to lynch Alkend instead of you. Anyway, like I said, I'm gonna wait to hear from Okaros - his opinion as the most likely to be town left on thread (and I swear to god if he's the last scum, I'm gonna be very unimpressed), his opinion is the only one I really care about.

If he's scum, he's a proverbial kid in the candy store.

I'll still blame Serc for making it impossible for me to trust a word he says.